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I'd love to see the scientific report that had park run as more dangerous than going to the pub.kingstonian said:Drakeford being critical that decisions in England are being made without following the science.
Haven’t heard him say the same about Scotland.........2 -
A fellow dry wipe thenrjsterry said:
Our official work guidance is reverting back to the standard 'hybrid' policy from 1 Feb which will be good as its been a bit quiet in the office this month. "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
My office is the same, we’re reverting to the pre-Omicron policy from the week after next.Stevo_666 said:
A fellow dry wipe thenrjsterry said: Out official work guidance s reverting back to the standard 'hybrid' policy from 1 Feb which will be good as its been a bit quiet in the office this month.0 -
Not that many businesses are affected by park runs, I would presume, and MPs probably care more for pubs than park runs (though a friend did bump into Ed Miliband on one).TheBigBean said:
I'd love to see the scientific report that had park run as more dangerous than going to the pub.kingstonian said:Drakeford being critical that decisions in England are being made without following the science.
Haven’t heard him say the same about Scotland.........0 -
None of that is scientific. It's a mixture of economics and PR.rick_chasey said:
Not that many businesses are affected by park runs, I would presume, and MPs probably care more for pubs than park runs (though a friend did bump into Ed Miliband on one).TheBigBean said:
I'd love to see the scientific report that had park run as more dangerous than going to the pub.kingstonian said:Drakeford being critical that decisions in England are being made without following the science.
Haven’t heard him say the same about Scotland.........
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Neatly summing up politics.TheBigBean said:
None that is scientific. It's a mixture of economics and PR.rick_chasey said:
Not that many businesses are affected by park runs, I would presume, and MPs probably care more for pubs than park runs (though a friend did bump into Ed Miliband on one).TheBigBean said:
I'd love to see the scientific report that had park run as more dangerous than going to the pub.kingstonian said:Drakeford being critical that decisions in England are being made without following the science.
Haven’t heard him say the same about Scotland.........The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
This points to a bugbear of mine (totally tangential), which is when people say things like "science is the answer to x" where x is a big existential problem like a pandemic or climate change.pblakeney said:
Neatly summing up politics.TheBigBean said:
None that is scientific. It's a mixture of economics and PR.rick_chasey said:
Not that many businesses are affected by park runs, I would presume, and MPs probably care more for pubs than park runs (though a friend did bump into Ed Miliband on one).TheBigBean said:
I'd love to see the scientific report that had park run as more dangerous than going to the pub.kingstonian said:Drakeford being critical that decisions in England are being made without following the science.
Haven’t heard him say the same about Scotland.........
As important as science is to things like pandemics or climate change (and for rona, to stay on topic, clearly the rapid development of the vaccines absolutely changed the game completely, so I'm not underplaying it), these problems are, at the highest level, human and people problems i.e. political.
I am of the view that politics really sets the tent in which science and all the rest can play.0 -
Perhaps it was Primark?surrey_commuter said:
This is a fair point and Rick made no attempt to explain why this lower class yobbo was in a gentleman’s outfitters at a time when the judicial system was in lockdownballysmate said:
Rick talks of victim blaming but chose to chastise someone for not wearing a mask when he could actually have been exempt. And why did he choose to judge the non mask wearing guy on the basis of his appearance? I'm sure there's some irony in there somewhere.Stevo_666 said:
Did this person know you personally?rick_chasey said:ballysmate said:
Rick misreading the vibe, surely not?rick_chasey said:
Maybe I am misreading, but the vibe is very much, people coming into the office with illnesses is other people's problem, and those people need to deal with the "risks"shirley_basso said:Also Ballys wasn't being that clear cut. He was drawing a parallel with people willingly catching it from family members (namely children who you can't feasibly isolate) who also had covid who they live with.
Hardly the same story as someone coming into your office.
I am very much of the view that you can make it the problem of the person who has a cold or covid etc, and make them take responsibility for not making everyone else in the office ill.
If you read back all the posts and my responses, I have never stated any support for someone going to work with covid. In fact I agreed with the person who described doing such a thing as ar5ehole behaviour.
But if someone comes into your work place with covid, it does create a problem for YOU. YOU are the one facing any risk.
What YOU do to mitigate such risk is entirely up to YOU to decide because the sick person turning up to work has created a problem for YOU.
Each workplace will need a different solution. eg Sharing a small windowless office is entirely different to working outside for the Forestry Commission.
Perhaps working from home would be a solution for some or it may come to sending them home on full pay.
DDr asked what he should do. Obviously that would be up to him to decide. Only he would be able to determine the risks and any possible solutions.
As an aside, do you really stay off work if you have a cold?
He came back with "that was the risk YOU took when you came out. If you don't like it, go and f*cking hide behind the sofa".
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Same here which for me is one day in the office generally (down from 2 days pre-Covid). To be honest most of our staff kept on as before since December anyway under the various caveats like unable to work efficiently at home, mental wellbeing etc. (i.e. their choice not pushed into it by the company). The novelty of home working has worn off for a lot of people.Stevo_666 said:
A fellow dry wipe thenrjsterry said: Our official work guidance is reverting back to the standard 'hybrid' policy from 1 Feb which will be good as its been a bit quiet in the office this month.0 -
That's all beyond me. Wet wipe / Dry wipe and all that.Stevo_666 said:
A fellow dry wipe thenrjsterry said: Our official work guidance is reverting back to the standard 'hybrid' policy from 1 Feb which will be good as its been a bit quiet in the office this month.
I'm still struggling to come to terms with the concept of people being used to taking time off sick because of a cold.1 -
ballysmate said:
That's all beyond me. Wet wipe / Dry wipe and all that.
I'm still struggling to come to terms with the concept of people being used to taking time off sick because of a cold.
Do you think it's possible that if people who are ill from a virus refrained from exposing their fellow workers to those viruses, actually fewer people would be ill and take time off work?0 -
A cold ffs. Uncomfortable yes but hardly debilitating - unless you are a trumpet player.briantrumpet said:ballysmate said:That's all beyond me. Wet wipe / Dry wipe and all that.
I'm still struggling to come to terms with the concept of people being used to taking time off sick because of a cold.
Do you think it's possible that if people who are ill from a virus refrained from exposing their fellow workers to those viruses, actually fewer people would be ill and take time off work?
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ballysmate said:
A cold ffs. Uncomfortable yes but hardly debilitating - unless you are a trumpet player.briantrumpet said:ballysmate said:That's all beyond me. Wet wipe / Dry wipe and all that.
I'm still struggling to come to terms with the concept of people being used to taking time off sick because of a cold.
Do you think it's possible that if people who are ill from a virus refrained from exposing their fellow workers to those viruses, actually fewer people would be ill and take time off work?
Much of this depends on your place of work. For me, I can work from home just as well as in the office for a few days, as can all of my colleagues, so someone having a stinking cold and working from home for a few days to not spread it within the office would be sensible.
If someone can’t work from home, things might well be different.0 -
ballysmate said:
A cold ffs. Uncomfortable yes but hardly debilitating - unless you are a trumpet player.briantrumpet said:ballysmate said:That's all beyond me. Wet wipe / Dry wipe and all that.
I'm still struggling to come to terms with the concept of people being used to taking time off sick because of a cold.
Do you think it's possible that if people who are ill from a virus refrained from exposing their fellow workers to those viruses, actually fewer people would be ill and take time off work?
Depends on the cold - they are not all equal. People can get quite ill with them, and sometimes do have to take time off with them. You can't conceive of the possibility that one person keeping their virus at home might save several other people catching the thing unnecessarily? It seems to be how viruses spread... I do remember several remarks early on in the pandemic along the lines of "If there's one thing I hope comes out of this, it's that people don't come into work with streaming colds and spread them to everyone else." Mind you, they also said that about cycling/walking rather than driving, how nice the empty roads were, etc...0 -
According to NICE, adults get an average of between 2 and 3 colds a year, more prevalent in winter.
Are people really taking over 2 weeks a year off sick with the snuffles?1 -
Colds are often transmitted through surfaces as well, so the cold victim has more control than with covid.0
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I reckon we lose more staff days to colds than any other illness, so anything that reduces that is good.ballysmate said:
A cold ffs. Uncomfortable yes but hardly debilitating - unless you are a trumpet player.briantrumpet said:ballysmate said:That's all beyond me. Wet wipe / Dry wipe and all that.
I'm still struggling to come to terms with the concept of people being used to taking time off sick because of a cold.
Do you think it's possible that if people who are ill from a virus refrained from exposing their fellow workers to those viruses, actually fewer people would be ill and take time off work?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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This is a good read:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusUK/comments/s8ljc6/analysis_is_covid_just_like_the_flu_yet/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share- Genesis Croix de Fer
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For the counter balance, we don't.rjsterry said:
I reckon we lose more staff days to colds than any other illness, so anything that reduces that is good.ballysmate said:
A cold ffs. Uncomfortable yes but hardly debilitating - unless you are a trumpet player.briantrumpet said:ballysmate said:That's all beyond me. Wet wipe / Dry wipe and all that.
I'm still struggling to come to terms with the concept of people being used to taking time off sick because of a cold.
Do you think it's possible that if people who are ill from a virus refrained from exposing their fellow workers to those viruses, actually fewer people would be ill and take time off work?0 -
Well if you have a culture of it being the done thing to go sick with a cold, then that's hardly surprising is it? Surely if you changed the culture, you'd reduce the days lost to sickness surely?rjsterry said:
I reckon we lose more staff days to colds than any other illness, so anything that reduces that is good.ballysmate said:
A cold ffs. Uncomfortable yes but hardly debilitating - unless you are a trumpet player.briantrumpet said:ballysmate said:That's all beyond me. Wet wipe / Dry wipe and all that.
I'm still struggling to come to terms with the concept of people being used to taking time off sick because of a cold.
Do you think it's possible that if people who are ill from a virus refrained from exposing their fellow workers to those viruses, actually fewer people would be ill and take time off work?
Of all those that report sick with colds, how many would be too ill to perform their work tasks?
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ballysmate said:
Well if you have a culture of it being the done thing to go sick with a cold, then that's hardly surprising is it? Surely if you changed the culture, you'd reduce the days lost to sickness surely?rjsterry said:
I reckon we lose more staff days to colds than any other illness, so anything that reduces that is good.ballysmate said:
A cold ffs. Uncomfortable yes but hardly debilitating - unless you are a trumpet player.briantrumpet said:ballysmate said:That's all beyond me. Wet wipe / Dry wipe and all that.
I'm still struggling to come to terms with the concept of people being used to taking time off sick because of a cold.
Do you think it's possible that if people who are ill from a virus refrained from exposing their fellow workers to those viruses, actually fewer people would be ill and take time off work?
Of all those that report sick with colds, how many would be too ill to perform their work tasks?
And what if they performed their work tasks remotely, instead of bringing their virus into an office shared with others? Wouldn't that be a better solution? Haven't we learnt that that is possible?0 -
That is a solution for those that are able to do so, yes. But those people would not actually be going sick would they?briantrumpet said:ballysmate said:
Well if you have a culture of it being the done thing to go sick with a cold, then that's hardly surprising is it? Surely if you changed the culture, you'd reduce the days lost to sickness surely?rjsterry said:
I reckon we lose more staff days to colds than any other illness, so anything that reduces that is good.ballysmate said:
A cold ffs. Uncomfortable yes but hardly debilitating - unless you are a trumpet player.briantrumpet said:ballysmate said:That's all beyond me. Wet wipe / Dry wipe and all that.
I'm still struggling to come to terms with the concept of people being used to taking time off sick because of a cold.
Do you think it's possible that if people who are ill from a virus refrained from exposing their fellow workers to those viruses, actually fewer people would be ill and take time off work?
Of all those that report sick with colds, how many would be too ill to perform their work tasks?
And what if they performed their work tasks remotely, instead of bringing their virus into an office shared with others? Wouldn't that be a better solution? Haven't we learnt that that is possible?
And the fact that their productivity is not affected by having a cold, (Assuming wfh is just as productive because that is what people have claimed) those unable to work from home would be just as productive if they dragged their snuffly ar5es into work wouldn't they?0 -
ballysmate said:
That is a solution for those that are able to do so, yes. But those people would not actually be going sick would they?briantrumpet said:ballysmate said:
Well if you have a culture of it being the done thing to go sick with a cold, then that's hardly surprising is it? Surely if you changed the culture, you'd reduce the days lost to sickness surely?rjsterry said:
I reckon we lose more staff days to colds than any other illness, so anything that reduces that is good.ballysmate said:
A cold ffs. Uncomfortable yes but hardly debilitating - unless you are a trumpet player.briantrumpet said:ballysmate said:That's all beyond me. Wet wipe / Dry wipe and all that.
I'm still struggling to come to terms with the concept of people being used to taking time off sick because of a cold.
Do you think it's possible that if people who are ill from a virus refrained from exposing their fellow workers to those viruses, actually fewer people would be ill and take time off work?
Of all those that report sick with colds, how many would be too ill to perform their work tasks?
And what if they performed their work tasks remotely, instead of bringing their virus into an office shared with others? Wouldn't that be a better solution? Haven't we learnt that that is possible?
And the fact that their productivity is not affected by having a cold, (Assuming wfh is just as productive because that is what people have claimed) those unable to work from home would be just as productive if they dragged their snuffly ar5es into work wouldn't they?
All I can gather from your argument is that you think it's fine to spread viruses, when there are alternatives that could reduce spread. You also seem to be of the opinion that all colds are sniffles.0 -
There aren't many days lost to sickness. In those that are, colds are over-represented. I've no need to change the culture, thanks. Assumptions and all that. I also think that more use of WFH has reduced the number of days lost to sickness. Other workplaces may differ.ballysmate said:
Well if you have a culture of it being the done thing to go sick with a cold, then that's hardly surprising is it? Surely if you changed the culture, you'd reduce the days lost to sickness surely?rjsterry said:
I reckon we lose more staff days to colds than any other illness, so anything that reduces that is good.ballysmate said:
A cold ffs. Uncomfortable yes but hardly debilitating - unless you are a trumpet player.briantrumpet said:ballysmate said:That's all beyond me. Wet wipe / Dry wipe and all that.
I'm still struggling to come to terms with the concept of people being used to taking time off sick because of a cold.
Do you think it's possible that if people who are ill from a virus refrained from exposing their fellow workers to those viruses, actually fewer people would be ill and take time off work?
Of all those that report sick with colds, how many would be too ill to perform their work tasks?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
400k infections in France.
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I accept that some colds are heavier than others, but most are not debilitating are they?
Rjs' workforce must be particularly unlucky as not only do they seem to be susceptible to any cold virus, but all seem to get the most debilitating symptoms.
If we don't want to be exposed to viruses we would have to live in hermetically sealed units. We are talking about the common cold here, not Ebola.1 -
You aren't on the right side of this argument. And you probably know it.ballysmate said:I accept that some colds are heavier than others, but most are not debilitating are they?
Rjs' workforce must be particularly unlucky as not only do they seem to be susceptible to any cold virus, but all seem to get the most debilitating symptoms.
If we don't want to be exposed to viruses we would have to live in hermetically sealed units. We are talking about the common cold here, not Ebola.0 -
Is there an argument for people not being too prissy about things? Having a strong immune system as a result of everyday living is a good thing.0
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I am quite aware that I am in a minority of 1 and perhaps my view is out dated. Not wanting to sound all "when I were a lad..."First.Aspect said:
You aren't on the right side of this argument. And you probably know it.ballysmate said:I accept that some colds are heavier than others, but most are not debilitating are they?
Rjs' workforce must be particularly unlucky as not only do they seem to be susceptible to any cold virus, but all seem to get the most debilitating symptoms.
If we don't want to be exposed to viruses we would have to live in hermetically sealed units. We are talking about the common cold here, not Ebola.
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When I started work in order to "phone in sick" you had to walk to the phone box up the road and the general feeling was that if you were capable of that, you were probably capable of getting into work.
A totally outdated view now, I accept.
But the general idea that is is standard practice to phone in sick with an illness that will not affect your performance in case you pass it on to a colleague who would as a result, suffer no loss in performance, quite odd.0
