The big Coronavirus thread
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Compared to Omicron, the original corona virus was practically un-catchable if you wore a mask. Locking down the entire population whilst sending corona ridden patients back to nursing homes is still probably the main cause of deaths in the Uk.rick_chasey said:Fairly sure the benefit was not loads more people dead.
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Evidence for that?mully79 said:
Compared to Omicron, the original corona virus was practically un-catchable if you wore a mask. Locking down the entire population whilst sending corona ridden patients back to nursing homes is still probably the main cause of deaths in the Uk.rick_chasey said:Fairly sure the benefit was not loads more people dead.
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Doesn't need evidence.kingstongraham said:
Evidence for that?mully79 said:
Compared to Omicron, the original corona virus was practically un-catchable if you wore a mask. Locking down the entire population whilst sending corona ridden patients back to nursing homes is still probably the main cause of deaths in the Uk.rick_chasey said:Fairly sure the benefit was not loads more people dead.
Thanks for playing.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
I will rephrase the question that I would ask.mully79 said:I dont need a solution. Pinkbikini took exception that I said there is a political benefit in locking down.
What is the political benefit of locking down and destroying businesses?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
If you look at covid deaths / excess deaths circa 2 weeks after lockdowns were imposed, you’ll see that the deaths start falling quite quickly. The same pattern applies in the major European countries similarly affected by Covid.mully79 said:
What is the benefit of locking down an entire population ?pinkbikini said:
No. I remember when lockdowns were a pre- emptive measure (as they still are in some countries) to reduce deaths.mully79 said:Remember when excess deaths were a political excuse to lock us down.
What is the political benefit to ‘locking down’ a population?
We still have pretty much the worst numbers across Europe despite lockdowns.
So the benefit of lockdowns to the whole population was that it reduced the risk of favourite elderly / I’ll relatives dying of Covid.
A more targeted approach might have been as affective, but the transmissions of the virus from asymptomatic, healthy-looking youngsters to the more vulnerable is hard to stop via other methods.
I agree that discharging covid-positive folk to care homes was a definite c*ck up.
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That's the health benefit which worked IMO, not the political one.
Mully79 is suggesting that the government wanted lockdowns for political reasons, not health. I find this strange.
I quote - "Theres not any data to prove the actions taken reduced excess deaths. "The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Some speculation in the press about the end of free LFTs. A minister has denied it but it seems likely it's coming in the medium if not the short term.
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Someone at dinner last night suggested that the govt was using PCR tests to create DNA database of people.
Luckily the person the other side of them works manufacturing PCR test devices so was able to explain its nonsense.0 -
Ok, arguing that lockdowns is political took away the actual point of the graphs which are very interesting.
Lateral flow tests are made by machines but pcr are a swab your nose then genetically sequence in a test tube whilst recording your name and address against the result.
Theres no manufacturing of the PCR test.0 -
shirley_basso said:
Someone at dinner last night suggested that the govt was using PCR tests to create DNA database of people.
Luckily the person the other side of them works manufacturing PCR test devices so was able to explain its nonsense.
The conspiracy theorists amaze me with what they dream up.0 -
Except manufacturing of the reagents, vials and instrumentation.mully79 said:Ok, arguing that lockdowns is political took away the actual point of the graphs which are very interesting.
Lateral flow tests are made by machines but pcr are a swab your nose then genetically sequence in a test tube whilst recording your name and address against the result.
Theres no manufacturing of the PCR test.
And the roads, and aquaducts and the wine....1 -
At least it's more plausible than most of their nonsense like 5G signals causing Covid or chips within the vaccine.kingstonian said:shirley_basso said:Someone at dinner last night suggested that the govt was using PCR tests to create DNA database of people.
Luckily the person the other side of them works manufacturing PCR test devices so was able to explain its nonsense.
The conspiracy theorists amaze me with what they dream up.0 -
mully79 said:
Theres no manufacturing of the PCR test.
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At least it's more plausible than most of their nonsense like 5G signals causing Covid or chips within the vaccine.kingstonian said:shirley_basso said:Someone at dinner last night suggested that the govt was using PCR tests to create DNA database of people.
Luckily the person the other side of them works manufacturing PCR test devices so was able to explain its nonsense.
The conspiracy theorists amaze me with what they dream up.0 -
I've started growing them in a window box.0
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PCR = person of compromised reasoning.First.Aspect said:0 -
That is so stupid.First.Aspect said:
Except manufacturing of the reagents, vials and instrumentation.mully79 said:Ok, arguing that lockdowns is political took away the actual point of the graphs which are very interesting.
Lateral flow tests are made by machines but pcr are a swab your nose then genetically sequence in a test tube whilst recording your name and address against the result.
Theres no manufacturing of the PCR test.
And the roads, and aquaducts and the wine....
Manufacturing a vial isnt manufacturing a test any more than a flour mill manufactures bread.0 -
are they organic?kingstongraham said:I've started growing them in a window box.
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I couldn't agree more I have just grown 2 in my garden.mully79 said:
That is so stupid.First.Aspect said:
Except manufacturing of the reagents, vials and instrumentation.mully79 said:Ok, arguing that lockdowns is political took away the actual point of the graphs which are very interesting.
Lateral flow tests are made by machines but pcr are a swab your nose then genetically sequence in a test tube whilst recording your name and address against the result.
Theres no manufacturing of the PCR test.
And the roads, and aquaducts and the wine....
Manufacturing a vial isnt manufacturing a test any more than a flour mill manufactures bread.
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You do know that they are both chromatographic methods, right? That they both use reagents, containers and dyes, only PCR tests use an awful lot more of all of these things?mully79 said:
That is so stupid.First.Aspect said:
Except manufacturing of the reagents, vials and instrumentation.mully79 said:Ok, arguing that lockdowns is political took away the actual point of the graphs which are very interesting.
Lateral flow tests are made by machines but pcr are a swab your nose then genetically sequence in a test tube whilst recording your name and address against the result.
Theres no manufacturing of the PCR test.
And the roads, and aquaducts and the wine....
Manufacturing a vial isnt manufacturing a test any more than a flour mill manufactures bread.
Perhaps you have the school chemistry lab in mind, with racks of test tubed being repeatedly washed with a bristle brush and re-used or something like that.
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Someone says his mate makes PCR tests so they cant possibly be used to collect everyones genetic code.First.Aspect said:
You do know that they are both chromatographic methods, right? That they both use reagents, containers and dyes, only PCR tests use an awful lot more of all of these things?mully79 said:
That is so stupid.First.Aspect said:
Except manufacturing of the reagents, vials and instrumentation.mully79 said:Ok, arguing that lockdowns is political took away the actual point of the graphs which are very interesting.
Lateral flow tests are made by machines but pcr are a swab your nose then genetically sequence in a test tube whilst recording your name and address against the result.
Theres no manufacturing of the PCR test.
And the roads, and aquaducts and the wine....
Manufacturing a vial isnt manufacturing a test any more than a flour mill manufactures bread.
Perhaps you have the school chemistry lab in mind, with racks of test tubed being repeatedly washed with a bristle brush and re-used or something like that.
I'm calling BS as they're a test in a lab so there is no manufactured kit and you guys are arguing about the word manufactured. Lets move on now.0 -
You haven't got a clue have you?mully79 said:
Someone says his mate makes PCR tests so they cant possibly be used to collect everyones genetic code.First.Aspect said:
You do know that they are both chromatographic methods, right? That they both use reagents, containers and dyes, only PCR tests use an awful lot more of all of these things?mully79 said:
That is so stupid.First.Aspect said:
Except manufacturing of the reagents, vials and instrumentation.mully79 said:Ok, arguing that lockdowns is political took away the actual point of the graphs which are very interesting.
Lateral flow tests are made by machines but pcr are a swab your nose then genetically sequence in a test tube whilst recording your name and address against the result.
Theres no manufacturing of the PCR test.
And the roads, and aquaducts and the wine....
Manufacturing a vial isnt manufacturing a test any more than a flour mill manufactures bread.
Perhaps you have the school chemistry lab in mind, with racks of test tubed being repeatedly washed with a bristle brush and re-used or something like that.
I'm calling BS as they're a test in a lab so there is no manufactured kit and you guys are arguing about the word manufactured. Lets move on now.
The point, that everyone who hasn't lost the will to live already got, is that a PCR test includes everything that a lateral flow test includes, and shit loads more.
Not sure what your point is, tbh.0 -
He is designing the next iteration of the devices which run the tests - there are a number of companies who are developing smaller, desktop devices rather than having to be run in a lab.
PCR is not as simple as the chromotographic LFT - there are a number of mechanical processes which the test sample needs to be run through in order to be subsequently tested.
As for the collection of DNA - the assays are designed to capture the genetic material of the coronavirus, not human DNA. It would be extremely difficult to make an assay which captures both at the same time, then seperate them and load one into a gov't database and submit results for your COVID test.0 -
Nonsense - everyone knows the DNA is separated using alien technology from Roswell, and delivered to the secret shadow government by 5G weaponised vampire bats...0
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As someone who has actually done (many) PCR tests for other targets -
1. They do not gene sequence, but are often used as part of a sequencing protocol (because they amplify target sequences to provide sufficient material to sequence.
2. They are not chromatographic techniques (but chromotography is sometimes used afterwards to confirm the amplified target)
3. You could take the samples people send in to gene profile them if you wanted.
4. The ‘manufactured’ comment is bizarre.
5. It doesn’t need mechanical steps, it can all be done in one “tube” once extracted from the sample you send in by an automated process.0 -
That isn’t true. LFT measures expression of viral encoded proteins (ie the virus is replicating), pcr measures whether there is any Covid-19 RNA fragments (that the PCR primers target). It doesn’t tell you if there is viable virus, but LFT does (fairly well). That’s why you can be PCR positive long after infection has been cleared, it takes longer to clear the debris.First.Aspect said:
You haven't got a clue have you?mully79 said:
Someone says his mate makes PCR tests so they cant possibly be used to collect everyones genetic code.First.Aspect said:
You do know that they are both chromatographic methods, right? That they both use reagents, containers and dyes, only PCR tests use an awful lot more of all of these things?mully79 said:
That is so stupid.First.Aspect said:
Except manufacturing of the reagents, vials and instrumentation.mully79 said:Ok, arguing that lockdowns is political took away the actual point of the graphs which are very interesting.
Lateral flow tests are made by machines but pcr are a swab your nose then genetically sequence in a test tube whilst recording your name and address against the result.
Theres no manufacturing of the PCR test.
And the roads, and aquaducts and the wine....
Manufacturing a vial isnt manufacturing a test any more than a flour mill manufactures bread.
Perhaps you have the school chemistry lab in mind, with racks of test tubed being repeatedly washed with a bristle brush and re-used or something like that.
I'm calling BS as they're a test in a lab so there is no manufactured kit and you guys are arguing about the word manufactured. Lets move on now.
The point, that everyone who hasn't lost the will to live already got, is that a PCR test includes everything that a lateral flow test includes, and censored loads more.
Not sure what your point is, tbh.
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