The big Coronavirus thread

rick_chasey

I wonder if that is affecting the survival rates?

First.Aspect

rick_chasey said:

I wonder if that is affecting the survival rates?

Not enough of it, I wouldn't have thought. Quite a lot of demand.

rick_chasey

Ok fair enough.

It is really about hospital capacity.

briantrumpet

rick_chasey said:

I wonder if that is affecting the survival rates?

I keep expecting that line at least to stop falling, given the extended rise in cases. But even ICU cases are still easing downwards. It's remarkable.

rick_chasey

Good.

What happened 2-3 weeks ago?

kingstongraham

Ncovidius said:

kingstongraham said:

imposter2.0 said:

rick_chasey said:

Holland 🇳🇱 about to go into full lockdown.

Think it’s a battle between sage and the Tory party here about when to do it.

Almost certainly will happen.

If they base their decisions on Neil Ferguson's latest 'study', then they almost certainly will. Regardless of the fact that his predictions have historically been massively inaccurate about pretty much everything since the virus first appeared.

His prediction of up to 120,000 deaths if we implement social distancing and case isolation does look low in hindsight.

With an R number of 3 -5 with Omicron, I’d say it’s going to get close to his predictions this time.

I had not heard that omicron had a side effect of reanimation.

Mad_Malx

There is of course a lag between infection, detection, hospitalisation, and deaths. Tuesday is going to be the key measure because infection numbers only really took off this week, and the reporting lag at weekends.

kingstongraham

TheBigBean said:

Even if there isn't much in the way additional restrictions, behaviour has changed.

To a degree, yes. Hope it's enough.

imposter2.0

briantrumpet said:

rick_chasey said:

I wonder if that is affecting the survival rates?

I keep expecting that line at least to stop falling, given the extended rise in cases. But even ICU cases are still easing downwards. It's remarkable.

I suspect it will rise, if only due to the sheer number of cases. Interesting that Gauteng believes that omicron cases have now peaked and are dropping...

briantrumpet

More shutting of stable doors...

Germany is tightening restrictions on travel from the UK in an attempt to curb the spread of the Omicron variant. From midnight on Sunday - or 11pm UK time - there will be a ban on carriage from the UK to Germany, except for German nationals, residents and transit passengers. Everyone entering Germany from Britain, whether vaccinated or not, will need a negative PCR test and is required to quarantine for 14 days.

The country’s public health authority, the Robert-Koch-Institut, announced the new rules on Saturday evening as it classified the UK as an area of variants of concern due to Omicron. It said the restrictions could last until at least January 3, PA reports.

Pross

TheBigBean said:

Even if there isn't much in the way additional restrictions, behaviour has changed.

I went to watch my daughter's first live show in 2 years tonight. It was sold out on paper (with one seat left empty for each pair sold) but in reality was only half full at most. Not sure if that was people being cautious and avoiding crowds, people who were ill so couldn't attend or people put off by Covid passports being needed.

There certainly seems to be a lot more caution in general from what I've seen the last few days though

alexcarry664

The situation is stable than before. People are working fairly here in BD. But there is a obligation wearing a mask while going outside.

john80

Maybe the answer to the antivax brigade is to when there are too many patients for care to put them at the bottom of the pile. A few headlines about the consequences of their choices and they might get the message.

JimD666

john80 said:

Maybe the answer to the antivax brigade is to when there are too many patients for care to put them at the bottom of the pile. A few headlines about the consequences of their choices and they might get the message.

Problem is the antivax brigade don't believe those messages. It's all fake news to them.

rick_chasey

john80 said:

Maybe the answer to the antivax brigade is to when there are too many patients for care to put them at the bottom of the pile. A few headlines about the consequences of their choices and they might get the message.

Have gone over this a lot on this thread.

There are well constructed triage processes and they are rightly based on other factors, usually a combo of severity and saveability.

Doctors aren’t judges or moral arbiters. It is their job to do their best to save as many people as possible from the troubles of illnesses and injuries.

kingstonian

I wonder if it would be better to publish the hospital Covid admissions data split by vaccinated and non vaccinated, plus age.

rick_chasey

kingstonian said:

I wonder if it would be better to publish the hospital Covid admissions data split by vaccinated and non vaccinated, plus age.

Whitty did in the last PM press conference.


In better news I am triple pfizered now.

kingstonian

rick_chasey said:

kingstonian said:

I wonder if it would be better to publish the hospital Covid admissions data split by vaccinated and non vaccinated, plus age.

Whitty did in the last PM press conference.


In better news I am triple pfizered now.

I’d suggest publishing the data daily, available right down to the region of the country, would be more effective and insightful than a one off comment

Glad you’re now boostered.

rick_chasey

So here in my local hospital they have 35 covid patients and 80% are unvaccinated according to their published stats.

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

So here in my local hospital they have 35 covid patients and 80% are unvaccinated according to their published stats.

We can only hope that they are explaining their situation to their anti-vax friends.

photonic69

Seems that after listening to the data and then blatantly ignoring it, BoJo and chums are relying more and more on a thin veil of hope and blind faith to see them through this. At least those that died won't be voting against them in the next elections

rick_chasey

photonic69 said:

Seems that after listening to the data and then blatantly ignoring it, BoJo and chums are relying more and more on a thin veil of hope and blind faith to see them through this. At least those that died won't be voting against them in the next elections

If you leave it up to the public you can’t be blamed for it

kingstongraham

A lockdown after Christmas will be a sign of failure.

rick_chasey

kingstongraham said:

A lockdown after Christmas will be a sign of failure.

100% happening.

Cannot run a health system with that influx combined with that number of hospital staff off with corona.

kingstongraham

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

A lockdown after Christmas will be a sign of failure.

100% happening.

Cannot run a health system with that influx combined with that number of hospital staff off with corona.

I'm not convinced they will wait until next weekend, unless the numbers miraculously drop off because of behaviour change.

photonic69

It's all a bit "Horse - Stable - Bolted"

We don't need to go out until Christmas Day, except to get some milk, and I've no intention of going to any shops for any reason other than that. Knew I should have pressed on with those plans for the "bunker"

rick_chasey

kingstongraham said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

A lockdown after Christmas will be a sign of failure.

100% happening.

Cannot run a health system with that influx combined with that number of hospital staff off with corona.

I'm not convinced they will wait until next weekend, unless the numbers miraculously drop off because of behaviour change.

Johnson will categorically not shut down Christmas.

His supporters don’t care for dead bodies and neither does he.

briantrumpet

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

A lockdown after Christmas will be a sign of failure.

100% happening.

Cannot run a health system with that influx combined with that number of hospital staff off with corona.

I'm not convinced they will wait until next weekend, unless the numbers miraculously drop off because of behaviour change.

Johnson will categorically not shut down Christmas.

His supporters don’t care for dead bodies and neither does he.

I think the dynamics of Johnson's ability to stop things happening might have changed over the past few weeks. I'd not be betting on anything happening or not happening right now because of Johnson.

pblakeney

briantrumpet said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

A lockdown after Christmas will be a sign of failure.

100% happening.

Cannot run a health system with that influx combined with that number of hospital staff off with corona.

I'm not convinced they will wait until next weekend, unless the numbers miraculously drop off because of behaviour change.

Johnson will categorically not shut down Christmas.

His supporters don’t care for dead bodies and neither does he.

I think the dynamics of Johnson's ability to stop things happening might have changed over the past few weeks. I'd not be betting on anything happening or not happening right now because of Johnson.

This might be the week that BJ discovers how little control he actually has.
Not in control of the country, his party and certainly not the virus.

blazing_saddles

Quite frightening to see how little idea, and therefore how little concern young adults have towards this pending Omicron threat.
I went to Morrisons this morning and it was moderately busy. A fair number of young people were shopping, but I didn’t see one who was wearing a mask.