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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    Fingers (aka Finland) has its own scandal. The PM was a close contact with someone who tested positive and then went clubbing. Was on the dance floor at 4am.
  • Ncovidius
    Ncovidius Posts: 229
    edited December 2021
    Just the rule of six and all non essential retail / hospitality closing left to come then ( next week, or by the 23rd at latest) I didn’t actually think they’d dare do it this soon.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    So is it right that he said we should all work from home if possible, but still go to a work Christmas party?
  • Ncovidius
    Ncovidius Posts: 229
    Jezyboy said:

    pangolin said:

    "From Friday the legal requirement to wear a face mask will be extended in England to most indoor public venues, such as cinemas and theatres - although there will be exemptions for things such as eating, the PM says.

    Covid passes will become mandatory for nightclubs and venues where large crowds gather in England.

    This will include unseated indoor venues with more than 500 people, unseated outdoor venues with more than 5,000 people and any venue with more than 10,000 people.

    He says two doses will be sufficient for a Covid pass, but this will be kept under review as boosters are rolled out.

    A negative lateral flow will also be acceptable."

    Surely the lateral flow option renders this utterly useless?

    I presume if I just bypass the whole sticking swab up my nose stage, the lat flow tests still come up with the control line?
    That’s correct. The last time I reported a LFT result they didn’t ask for any evidence, other that a scan of the Q.R. code / serial number of the stick. I just had to tell them whether it was positive or negative. One LFT I did last year did require a photo of the test stick, but it was a blood drop version, and for research purposes.
  • Ncovidius
    Ncovidius Posts: 229
    edited December 2021
    kingstongraham said:

    So is it right that he said we should all work from home if possible, but still go to a work Christmas party?

    That’s about to be addressed. I think they rushed today’s press conference through, and didn’t think about things like that. The rule of six and closing hospitality will cover this anomaly.

  • Ncovidius
    Ncovidius Posts: 229
    edited December 2021
    itboffin said:

    kingstonian said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Just brought my booster forwards by a couple of weeks. Others should be able to do the same.


    Yes, I was able to do the same this morning. Was due to be on 5th Jan, now having it next week.
    Did the same today mind you I’ve just had covid and tested negative on Sunday gone so should have immunity on top of my existing double vax
    It’s practically impossible to be able to say a mathematical model predicts over 10000 hospitalisations a week by the middle of this month, if they believe the vaccines are working properly. They’ve pretty much admitted that they think the vaccines are only going to take the edge off the disease at best (so if you’re jabbed / have had exposure to the virus, you may just end up in hospital, rather than being ventilated / dead) with today’s announcements. Jee thanks, that’s such a comfort. So I’d say that they are telling us to read between the lines, rather than admit that the vaccines are actually pretty rubbish, in comparison to what they originally told us would be the case. It’s also interesting to see that most / all of the reports of vaccines / boosters being effective, with data, are referencing the mRNA vaccines. They’re not blowing the horn as loudly for the viral vector vaccines.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Ncovidius said:

    kingstongraham said:

    So is it right that he said we should all work from home if possible, but still go to a work Christmas party?

    That’s about to be addressed. I think they rushed today’s press conference through, and didn’t think about things like that. The rule of six and closing hospitality will cover this anomaly.

    I'd rather you didn't reply if that's OK. Ta.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    kingstongraham said:

    Ncovidius said:

    kingstongraham said:

    So is it right that he said we should all work from home if possible, but still go to a work Christmas party?

    That’s about to be addressed. I think they rushed today’s press conference through, and didn’t think about things like that. The rule of six and closing hospitality will cover this anomaly.

    I'd rather you didn't reply if that's OK. Ta.
    If it's any consolation, work related wine and cheese will still be perfectly legal.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,329
    First.Aspect said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Ncovidius said:

    kingstongraham said:

    So is it right that he said we should all work from home if possible, but still go to a work Christmas party?

    That’s about to be addressed. I think they rushed today’s press conference through, and didn’t think about things like that. The rule of six and closing hospitality will cover this anomaly.

    I'd rather you didn't reply if that's OK. Ta.
    If it's any consolation, work related wine and cheese will still be perfectly legal.
    ...and party games with many dozens of people.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    kingstongraham said:

    So is it right that he said we should all work from home if possible, but still go to a work Christmas party?

    Well if the Christmas party is held in your house what can you do about it?
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    It's just as well there were no promises made when restrictions were lifted that there be no reversing.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Pross said:

    It's just as well there were no promises made when restrictions were lifted that there be no reversing.

    I predicted October, so he's done well.

    https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/20808629/#Comment_20808629
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Stereophonics / Tom Jones gig at the Principality Stadium has been called off by the promoters as they don't think they can run it safely. I suspect there's an element of the criticism handed out over their gig just before the first lockdown in the decision
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    edited December 2021
    It's not unusual in this situation I guess, I hope people can still have a nice day.
  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,183
    Pross said:

    Stereophonics / Tom Jones gig at the Principality Stadium has been called off by the promoters as they don't think they can run it safely. I suspect there's an element of the criticism handed out over their gig just before the first lockdown in the decision

    Daughter is gutted about missing this. It’s inconceivable that a 23 yo MM would have even considered going to Tom Jones. Kids of today etc ....
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    Ncovidius said:

    itboffin said:

    kingstonian said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Just brought my booster forwards by a couple of weeks. Others should be able to do the same.


    Yes, I was able to do the same this morning. Was due to be on 5th Jan, now having it next week.
    Did the same today mind you I’ve just had covid and tested negative on Sunday gone so should have immunity on top of my existing double vax
    It’s practically impossible to be able to say a mathematical model predicts over 10000 hospitalisations a week by the middle of this month, if they believe the vaccines are working properly. They’ve pretty much admitted that they think the vaccines are only going to take the edge off the disease at best (so if you’re jabbed / have had exposure to the virus, you may just end up in hospital, rather than being ventilated / dead) with today’s announcements. Jee thanks, that’s such a comfort. So I’d say that they are telling us to read between the lines, rather than admit that the vaccines are actually pretty rubbish, in comparison to what they originally told us would be the case. It’s also interesting to see that most / all of the reports of vaccines / boosters being effective, with data, are referencing the mRNA vaccines. They’re not blowing the horn as loudly for the viral vector vaccines.

  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,329
    edited December 2021
    kingstongraham said:

    So is it right that he said we should all work from home if possible, but still go to a work Christmas party?

    MPs do have Christmas parties planned don't you know? 😉
    Anyone know when they are? Further restrictions the day after maybe?
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited December 2021
    Anecdotal office update.

    After a fairly raucous office Christmas party (where we all took lateral flow tests beforehand, but if anyone was naughty and didn't who were carrying, it will absolutely be a massive superspreading event), most people have decided to ignore the "work from home" advice and plan to be in as normal.
    _
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Was planning to be in for a meeting/lunch with new boss on Monday, and waiting to see what the latest guidance from the company is. Waiting to see the numbers over the next week to decide whether to go on Christmas do next Friday - it doesn't really seem like a great idea if I want to go see relatives a week later.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    rick_chasey said:

    Anecdotal office update.

    After a fairly raucous office Christmas party (where we all took lateral flow tests beforehand, but if anyone was naughty and didn't who were carrying, it will absolutely be a massive superspreading event), most people have decided to ignore the "work from home" advice and plan to be in as normal.

    In recent weeks, you have convinced me that you work with a bunch of d!ckheads, basically.

    I assume it is a top-down company culture thing.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Anecdotal office update.

    After a fairly raucous office Christmas party (where we all took lateral flow tests beforehand, but if anyone was naughty and didn't who were carrying, it will absolutely be a massive superspreading event), most people have decided to ignore the "work from home" advice and plan to be in as normal.

    In recent weeks, you have convinced me that you work with a bunch of d!ckheads, basically.

    I assume it is a top-down company culture thing.
    I find it mildly revealing as the people I work with are not people I would socialise with and there is a broader spectrum of ages and political persuasion (though certainly not a cross section of society by any stretch).
    _
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    The more I think about it, the less the exemption under plan B for unvaccinated people to take a lateral flow test makes sense.

    It means they are able to go places where the risk of infection is high, where there are lots of vaccinated people who don't have to do a test, so could be infectious. Then the unvaccinated are likely to be the ones who go to hospital and cause problems when they catch it.

    Either everyone should have to do a test, or there should be no blanket exemption for the unvaccinated.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    kingstongraham said:

    The more I think about it, the less the exemption under plan B for unvaccinated people to take a lateral flow test makes sense.

    It means they are able to go places where the risk of infection is high, where there are lots of vaccinated people who don't have to do a test, so could be infectious. Then the unvaccinated are likely to be the ones who go to hospital and cause problems when they catch it.

    Either everyone should have to do a test, or there should be no blanket exemption for the unvaccinated.

    He was so close to making a good decision and then added that stipulation on the end.

    With 60 torys ready to rebel it could be the perfect time for Labour to add an amendment to make life harder for anti-vaxers
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    edited December 2021
    surrey_commuter said:

    kingstongraham said:

    The more I think about it, the less the exemption under plan B for unvaccinated people to take a lateral flow test makes sense.

    It means they are able to go places where the risk of infection is high, where there are lots of vaccinated people who don't have to do a test, so could be infectious. Then the unvaccinated are likely to be the ones who go to hospital and cause problems when they catch it.

    Either everyone should have to do a test, or there should be no blanket exemption for the unvaccinated.

    He was so close to making a good decision and then added that stipulation on the end.

    With 60 torys ready to rebel it could be the perfect time for Labour to add an amendment to make life harder for anti-vaxers
    Starmer should make him grovel for it in some way after the way Johnson's been talking every week about Labour never supporting the government through the pandemic.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    How will plan B vaccination status checks work for crowds attending footmoneyball matches, the big ones with >10,000 attendees?

    All that segment of society:
    a) double or triple vacced?
    b) happy to share the QR codes on entry?
    c) willing to put limits on their 'personal freedom' to the greater benefit of society as a whole?

    Or...
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    orraloon said:

    How will plan B vaccination status checks work for crowds attending footmoneyball matches, the big ones with >10,000 attendees?

    All that segment of society:
    a) double or triple vacced?
    b) happy to share the QR codes on entry?
    c) willing to put limits on their 'personal freedom' to the greater benefit of society as a whole?

    Or...

    We'll find out with Arsenal v West Ham next Wednesday I guess.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    It's good there's going to be an exemption from mask wearing indoors if you are singing, because it's always good to exempt the activity that most spreads the virus.

    https://metro.co.uk/2021/12/09/people-dont-need-masks-in-shops-if-they-are-singing-new-covid-rules-say-15744849/
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    kingstongraham said:

    The more I think about it, the less the exemption under plan B for unvaccinated people to take a lateral flow test makes sense.

    It means they are able to go places where the risk of infection is high, where there are lots of vaccinated people who don't have to do a test, so could be infectious. Then the unvaccinated are likely to be the ones who go to hospital and cause problems when they catch it.

    Either everyone should have to do a test, or there should be no blanket exemption for the unvaccinated.

    And if they want everyone to get vaccinated it should be the latter.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    orraloon said:

    How will plan B vaccination status checks work for crowds attending footmoneyball matches, the big ones with >10,000 attendees?

    All that segment of society:
    a) double or triple vacced?
    b) happy to share the QR codes on entry?
    c) willing to put limits on their 'personal freedom' to the greater benefit of society as a whole?

    Or...

    To be fair I doubt the vaccination rates will be that different in 'that segment of society'. Those attending football matches are probably a fairly typical cross-section of the population.

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