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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,734
    orraloon said:

    How will plan B vaccination status checks work for crowds attending footmoneyball matches, the big ones with >10,000 attendees?

    All that segment of society:
    a) double or triple vacced?
    b) happy to share the QR codes on entry?
    c) willing to put limits on their 'personal freedom' to the greater benefit of society as a whole?

    Or...

    Here in Wales we’ve already had these rules for the recent Autumn rugby internationals.
    First match in Cardiff had a crowd of 74,000 to sort out.
    They seemed to cope ok, although they probably had a bigger headache with the numpties who turned up totally sh!tfaced .

    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,623
    orraloon said:

    How will plan B vaccination status checks work for crowds attending footmoneyball matches, the big ones with >10,000 attendees?

    All that segment of society:
    a) double or triple vacced?
    b) happy to share the QR codes on entry?
    c) willing to put limits on their 'personal freedom' to the greater benefit of society as a whole?

    Or...

    All it needs is the stewards to download the french TAC Verify app amd they scan the QR code from the NHS app. It really won't take any longer for people to enter the grounds as they probably scan their tickets to get through the turnstiles too.

    If you won't download the NHS app or print off your QR code, you won't get in.
    Simple.

    It's what much of Europe has been doing for a while.

    Won't get jabbed, then tough.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Pross said:

    orraloon said:

    How will plan B vaccination status checks work for crowds attending footmoneyball matches, the big ones with >10,000 attendees?

    All that segment of society:
    a) double or triple vacced?
    b) happy to share the QR codes on entry?
    c) willing to put limits on their 'personal freedom' to the greater benefit of society as a whole?

    Or...

    To be fair I doubt the vaccination rates will be that different in 'that segment of society'. Those attending football matches are probably a fairly typical cross-section of the population.
    And those that aren’t will be running down the jab centre so they can go to the next match

    You really “don’t get” football fans
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,674
    Dorset_Boy said:

    orraloon said:

    How will plan B vaccination status checks work for crowds attending footmoneyball matches, the big ones with >10,000 attendees?

    All that segment of society:
    a) double or triple vacced?
    b) happy to share the QR codes on entry?
    c) willing to put limits on their 'personal freedom' to the greater benefit of society as a whole?

    Or...

    All it needs is the stewards to download the french TAC Verify app amd they scan the QR code from the NHS app. It really won't take any longer for people to enter the grounds as they probably scan their tickets to get through the turnstiles too.

    If you won't download the NHS app or print off your QR code, you won't get in.
    Simple.

    It's what much of Europe has been doing for a while.

    Won't get jabbed, then tough.
    Won't get jabbed?

    Just bypass shoving the cotton swab on the lft up your nose.
  • Ncovidius
    Ncovidius Posts: 229
    edited December 2021
    rick_chasey said:

    Anecdotal office update.

    After a fairly raucous office Christmas party (where we all took lateral flow tests beforehand, but if anyone was naughty and didn't who were carrying, it will absolutely be a massive superspreading event), most people have decided to ignore the "work from home" advice and plan to be in as normal.

    It counts for nought if people report a negative, having not actually done a test. Perish the thought. They don’t ask for evidence, just a QR code / serial number, and your word. I’m sure no one would take the piss. It’s up to each individual. If they choose to take the piss, that’s their shout. Nature wins every time though. The more people take the piss, the longer this shite continues.
  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087
    Ncovidius said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Anecdotal office update.

    After a fairly raucous office Christmas party (where we all took lateral flow tests beforehand, but if anyone was naughty and didn't who were carrying, it will absolutely be a massive superspreading event), most people have decided to ignore the "work from home" advice and plan to be in as normal.

    It counts for nought if people report a negative, having not actually done a test. Perish the thought. They don’t ask for evidence, just a QR code / serial number, and your word. I’m sure no one would take the piss. It’s up to each individual. If they choose to take the piss, that’s their shout. Nature wins every time though. The more people take the piss, the longer this shite continues.
    My god you are boring b*stard these days. You were much more fun when you were riding 300 miles carrying a wardrobe on your back.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    edited December 2021
    webboo said:



    My god you are boring b*stard these days. You were much more fun when you were riding 300 miles carrying a wardrobe on your back.

    What do you mean "these days"..? He's always been like that, it's just that covid has given him a perfect platform to opine on....and on....

  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,666
    Ncovidius said:

    the longer this shite continues.

    It does seem endless
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  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    pangolin said:

    Ncovidius said:

    the longer this shite continues.

    It does seem endless

    Yep. I often think back to when we first closed the office in March 2020 and everyone naively thought they would be back 2 weeks later.I certainly didn’t imagine us still being in this state 21 months later.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,682
    edited December 2021
    kingstonian said:

    pangolin said:

    Ncovidius said:

    the longer this shite continues.

    It does seem endless

    Yep. I often think back to when we first closed the office in March 2020 and everyone naively thought they would be back 2 weeks later.I certainly didn’t imagine us still being in this state 21 months later.
    I'm not sure Covid is the apparently endless shite Pangolin was referring to but I could be wrong.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,594
    kingstonian said:

    pangolin said:

    Ncovidius said:

    the longer this shite continues.

    It does seem endless

    Yep. I often think back to when we first closed the office in March 2020 and everyone naively thought they would be back 2 weeks later.I certainly didn’t imagine us still being in this state 21 months later.
    I remember being laughed at when I said 3 to 6 months. 🤣
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,079
    Dorset_Boy said:

    orraloon said:

    How will plan B vaccination status checks work for crowds attending footmoneyball matches, the big ones with >10,000 attendees?

    All that segment of society:
    a) double or triple vacced?
    b) happy to share the QR codes on entry?
    c) willing to put limits on their 'personal freedom' to the greater benefit of society as a whole?

    Or...

    All it needs is the stewards to download the french TAC Verify app amd they scan the QR code from the NHS app. It really won't take any longer for people to enter the grounds as they probably scan their tickets to get through the turnstiles too.

    If you won't download the NHS app or print off your QR code, you won't get in.
    Simple.

    It's what much of Europe has been doing for a while.

    Won't get jabbed, then tough.
    If you're doing it properly you need to ID the person as well. It will add a reasonable amount of time to a process that already involves queueing.
  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    Pross said:

    kingstonian said:

    pangolin said:

    Ncovidius said:

    the longer this shite continues.

    It does seem endless

    Yep. I often think back to when we first closed the office in March 2020 and everyone naively thought they would be back 2 weeks later.I certainly didn’t imagine us still being in this state 21 months later.
    I'm not sure Covid is the apparently endless shite Pangolin was referring to but I could be wrong.

    Haha, that’s fair !!!
  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    TheBigBean said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    orraloon said:

    How will plan B vaccination status checks work for crowds attending footmoneyball matches, the big ones with >10,000 attendees?

    All that segment of society:
    a) double or triple vacced?
    b) happy to share the QR codes on entry?
    c) willing to put limits on their 'personal freedom' to the greater benefit of society as a whole?

    Or...

    All it needs is the stewards to download the french TAC Verify app amd they scan the QR code from the NHS app. It really won't take any longer for people to enter the grounds as they probably scan their tickets to get through the turnstiles too.

    If you won't download the NHS app or print off your QR code, you won't get in.
    Simple.

    It's what much of Europe has been doing for a while.

    Won't get jabbed, then tough.
    If you're doing it properly you need to ID the person as well. It will add a reasonable amount of time to a process that already involves queueing.

    Agreed, it isn’t straightforward for any large venue. Not saying it can’t or shouldn’t be done, just that it will take a fair amount of time.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,079
    kingstonian said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    orraloon said:

    How will plan B vaccination status checks work for crowds attending footmoneyball matches, the big ones with >10,000 attendees?

    All that segment of society:
    a) double or triple vacced?
    b) happy to share the QR codes on entry?
    c) willing to put limits on their 'personal freedom' to the greater benefit of society as a whole?

    Or...

    All it needs is the stewards to download the french TAC Verify app amd they scan the QR code from the NHS app. It really won't take any longer for people to enter the grounds as they probably scan their tickets to get through the turnstiles too.

    If you won't download the NHS app or print off your QR code, you won't get in.
    Simple.

    It's what much of Europe has been doing for a while.

    Won't get jabbed, then tough.
    If you're doing it properly you need to ID the person as well. It will add a reasonable amount of time to a process that already involves queueing.

    Agreed, it isn’t straightforward for any large venue. Not saying it can’t or shouldn’t be done, just that it will take a fair amount of time.
    My issue is that it will create crowds of people much closer together than they are in a stadium.
  • wallace_and_gromit
    wallace_and_gromit Posts: 3,699
    TheBigBean said:

    My issue is that it will create crowds of people much closer together than they are in a stadium.

    I was at a major swimming gala last weekend. Swim England imposed very strict spectator limits in the competition arena, to the extent that many parents weren't able to see their kids swim, despite the viewing galleries being about as densely populated as the Marie Celeste when it became famous. However, the facility owner imposed no obvious overall capacity limit, so folk were packed into the reception / cafe area waiting to do "swapsies" on tickets with folk leaving the arena.

    The obvious sensible course of action would have been to allow far more spectators into the arena, so they could use the numerous empty seats to spread out, rather than being plonked shoulder-to-shoulder outside the doors to the arena.

    So the seemingly sensible course of action (in this case, spectator limits) can have unforeseen (but in reality, easily foreseeable) consequences.

    The biggest irony is that swimming attracts people who like rules and the need to comply with them, so unjabbed spectators would be about as likely as hens' teeth whilst the gazzillions of unjabbed or half jabbed kids swimming were packed in tightly for prolonged periods of time whilst marshalling for their races.


  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    pblakeney said:

    kingstonian said:

    pangolin said:

    Ncovidius said:

    the longer this shite continues.

    It does seem endless

    Yep. I often think back to when we first closed the office in March 2020 and everyone naively thought they would be back 2 weeks later.I certainly didn’t imagine us still being in this state 21 months later.
    I remember being laughed at when I said 3 to 6 months. 🤣
    About three days in, my mate - who’s clever and has an understanding of these things before these things were mainstream news - said 18months. And I nearly spat my coffee all over.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,594
    Ben6899 said:

    pblakeney said:

    kingstonian said:

    pangolin said:

    Ncovidius said:

    the longer this shite continues.

    It does seem endless

    Yep. I often think back to when we first closed the office in March 2020 and everyone naively thought they would be back 2 weeks later.I certainly didn’t imagine us still being in this state 21 months later.
    I remember being laughed at when I said 3 to 6 months. 🤣
    About three days in, my mate - who’s clever and has an understanding of these things before these things were mainstream news - said 18months. And I nearly spat my coffee all over.
    If we'd thought about it logically then multiples of 6 months were never going to work as that took us to the start of peak season. We can only hope for 24 months. 🤞
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,110
    pblakeney said:

    kingstonian said:

    pangolin said:

    Ncovidius said:

    the longer this shite continues.

    It does seem endless

    Yep. I often think back to when we first closed the office in March 2020 and everyone naively thought they would be back 2 weeks later.I certainly didn’t imagine us still being in this state 21 months later.
    I remember being laughed at when I said 3 to 6 months. 🤣
    I remember when the 19/20 grassroots football season was cancelled (typically we were in a cup final we never got to play!) at the start of the pandemic people were saying better just to write this one off and start fresh in Sept. When I asked what would have changed in Sept quite a few did react as if I was mad.

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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    colleagues around the world had already been locked out of offices for a couple of months - I am not claiming any great foresight as I left my tax stuff in the office that needed to be done by the end of Jan
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,291


    Bad. Especially for us in the middle who had AZ.

    Hopefully the news for serious disease will be better.

    So booster ASAP.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,682
    Has anyone had their works party, sorry 'gathering', cancelled yet?

    We've got lucky as we have sole use of the venue from lunchtime until midnight. There's only about 30 of us and we're going ahead with everyone doing an LFT in the morning. Decided to scrap the ice skating and pub we were going to do before lunch though.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Pross said:

    Has anyone had their works party, sorry 'gathering', cancelled yet?

    We've got lucky as we have sole use of the venue from lunchtime until midnight. There's only about 30 of us and we're going ahead with everyone doing an LFT in the morning. Decided to scrap the ice skating and pub we were going to do before lunch though.

    Big one for 100 people next Thursday scrapped.

    Dept one on Monday was only 16 people but we have one +ve PCR and one LFT
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,465
    Pross said:

    Has anyone had their works party, sorry 'gathering', cancelled yet?

    We've got lucky as we have sole use of the venue from lunchtime until midnight. There's only about 30 of us and we're going ahead with everyone doing an LFT in the morning. Decided to scrap the ice skating and pub we were going to do before lunch though.

    Yep, all cancelled.

    Had already decided That going was a daft idea. Mainly because of the company. I'm the office stud and the attention is really tiring.
  • joe2019
    joe2019 Posts: 1,338
    edited December 2021
    Overheard in town today:

    Karen: 'So you've had it?'
    Karen 2: 'Yep, and I wouldn't want it again,'
    Karen: 'Have you had your booster?'
    Karen2: No, and I ain't having it.'

    Couldn't make it up.
  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    joe2019 said:

    Overheard in town today:

    Karen: 'So you've had it?'
    Karen 2: 'Yep, and I wouldn't want it again,'
    Karen: 'Have you had your booster?'
    Karen2: No, and I ain't having it.'

    Couldn't make it up.

    Darwinism at its finest
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,682
    joe2019 said:

    Overheard in town today:

    Karen: 'So you've had it?'
    Karen 2: 'Yep, and I wouldn't want it again,'
    Karen: 'Have you had your booster?'
    Karen2: No, and I ain't having it.'

    Couldn't make it up.

    My wife's usually perfectly sane colleague has been anti-vax throughout and won't get jabbed (not a requirement for the care sector in Wales). She then got Covid and felt so all, although nowhere near hospitalised, she decided she was going to get it. She has now had a change of heart as 'what's the point as you'll still catch the new variant anyway'.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,474
    edited December 2021
    I'm becoming more and more convinced that the illness my wife had in March 2020 was an undiagnosed case of covid and that was it coming into our house.

    Too many friends and family have tested positive in subsequent waves, people we have been close contacts of, for none of us to have tested positive just based on luck.


    ETA...that said teenage son 1 is getting a PCR this evening
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  • Ncovidius
    Ncovidius Posts: 229
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59621029

    This feels like we’re being lubed up ( again)
  • Ncovidius
    Ncovidius Posts: 229
    Pross said:

    Has anyone had their works party, sorry 'gathering', cancelled yet?

    We've got lucky as we have sole use of the venue from lunchtime until midnight. There's only about 30 of us and we're going ahead with everyone doing an LFT in the morning. Decided to scrap the ice skating and pub we were going to do before lunch though.

    Some of my friends own bars / restaurants. They’re tearing their hair out. Some very big / lucrative Christmas dos have been completely axed, others have been reduced to the point it’s not economically viable to make it an ‘exclusive’ event ( whole venue used solely for the one group ). That’s caused friction, leading to mass ‘toys out of pram’ reactions, and cancellations. Some of them are hoping for a full lockdown now, because they previously got financial assistance for shutting.

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