The big Coronavirus thread
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Its the voices in his head.imposter2.0 said:
It's probably someone who Nick was in the SAS with, out in 'the sandbox'. Or it might have been someone from that time when he was in MI6..briantrumpet said:imposter2.0 said:
or "I'm trying to stay relevant by making increasingly absurd and unfounded comments.."briantrumpet said:DeVlaeminck said:
What do you mean by "full lockdown".
I think he means "Please can someone respond?".
Comments like 'A mate who works closely with the government' are beyond desperate..
Maybe he's been talking to a pub landlord who knows Matt Hancock... or at least served him a beer once. Or someone who looked like him.
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Which nursery?imposter2.0 said:
It's probably someone who Nick was in the SAS with, out in 'the sandbox'. Or it might have been someone from that time when he was in MI6..briantrumpet said:imposter2.0 said:
or "I'm trying to stay relevant by making increasingly absurd and unfounded comments.."briantrumpet said:DeVlaeminck said:
What do you mean by "full lockdown".
I think he means "Please can someone respond?".
Comments like 'A mate who works closely with the government' are beyond desperate..
Maybe he's been talking to a pub landlord who knows Matt Hancock... or at least served him a beer once. Or someone who looked like him.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
It's looking more likely that Omicron is already well-seeded in the UK - I reckon we'll see it spreading rapidly in the next couple of weeks, though I also reckon it'll be downgraded as from possibly being a mortal threat, at least to the vaccinated population.
It annoys me seeing a headline in the Graun that "Half of omicron cases amongst the double-jabbed". Well, yes, durr, because so many people in the UK are double jabbed. It's just as remarkable that half of the cases are amongst the unvaccinated, but that doesn't make a scary headline.0 -
And. Because the majority of population have been vaccinated, having half the cases in the unvaccinated means that sector has higher infection rate. Naturally.briantrumpet said:
It annoys me seeing a headline in the Graun that "Half of omicron cases amongst the double-jabbed". Well, yes, durr, because so many people in the UK are double jabbed. It's just as remarkable that half of the cases are amongst the unvaccinated, but that doesn't make a scary headline.
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Who's more likely to get tested?orraloon said:
And. Because the majority of population have been vaccinated, having half the cases in the unvaccinated means that sector has higher infection rate. Naturally.briantrumpet said:
It annoys me seeing a headline in the Graun that "Half of omicron cases amongst the double-jabbed". Well, yes, durr, because so many people in the UK are double jabbed. It's just as remarkable that half of the cases are amongst the unvaccinated, but that doesn't make a scary headline.0 -
Agree there is no context and so little data as to render it virtually meaningless.orraloon said:
And. Because the majority of population have been vaccinated, having half the cases in the unvaccinated means that sector has higher infection rate. Naturally.briantrumpet said:
It annoys me seeing a headline in the Graun that "Half of omicron cases amongst the double-jabbed". Well, yes, durr, because so many people in the UK are double jabbed. It's just as remarkable that half of the cases are amongst the unvaccinated, but that doesn't make a scary headline.
From memory, vaccines are about 80% effective at preventing infection against Delta.
Lets do some round numbers. If you have 80% double vaccinations and 20% no vaccinations, and the 20% are 4 times more likely to be infected (i.e. as with Delta), then you would expect exactly half of all infections to be in each group.
Actual double vaccination numbers are about 76%, there is a heavily skewed age demographic, and protection wanes the earlier you are vaccinated, which is also heavily age-biased. On top of that you have a booster programme to consider.
So how anyone can draw any conclusions at all from less than 30 cases escapes me, other than that conclusion being "I've made the copy deadline, boss".1 -
It’s pubs and non essential retail shut again, work from home where possible, rule of six re instated, but they really don’t want to go to the extremes of not leaving home unless for essential reasons or exercise again. It’s in the breach, they really hope they don’t need to pull the trigger, and if the numbers don’t show signs of rocketing up, they won’t. But it is on the metaphorical table. A friend of mine who owns a bar is also friends with the government contact, and she is really not happy.DeVlaeminck said:
What do you mean by "full lockdown".Ncovidius said:Full lockdown is on the table now ( according to someone I know who works closely with government, and hasn’t got it wrong yet ) the dates being mooted are either 23rd of December, 27th December, or 4th January, depending on how the numbers look. Boris is pushing for the 4th January. It will be held until the second week in March.
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Which is exactly why they really are praying that the triggering up tick doesn’t happen. It’s being driven by the medics, the politicians are just puppets in the show.focuszing723 said:
If they step tings up it's going to be a complete tradegy this chwistmas.Ncovidius said:Full lockdown is on the table now ( according to someone I know who works closely with government, and hasn’t got it wrong yet ) the dates being mooted are either 23rd of December, 27th December, or 4th January, depending on how the numbers look. Boris is pushing for the 4th January. It will be held until the second week in March.
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Let’s hope so.Jezyboy said:Well if you use the milemuncher method of counting we're almost running at 400 deaths a day...
Which is nearly almost the same as last year.
And these numbers are following lots of socialising compared to last year too.
It's not that it's over, but the vaccine does seem to have taken the edge off markedly.0 -
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There's no need to hope that the vaccines have taken the edge off.
Just look at the graphs and look at our town centres at the weekends.
You'll see way more normality than last year, for way less death than last year.
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briantrumpet said:
It's looking more likely that Omicron is already well-seeded in the UK - I reckon we'll see it spreading rapidly in the next couple of weeks, though I also reckon it'll be downgraded as from possibly being a mortal threat, at least to the vaccinated population.
It annoys me seeing a headline in the Graun that "Half of omicron cases amongst the double-jabbed". Well, yes, durr, because so many people in the UK are double jabbed. It's just as remarkable that half of the cases are amongst the unvaccinated, but that doesn't make a scary headline.
Yes, agreed, lazy journalism0 -
Hmmm, pre-return PCR tests now required if going abroad, so what with the pre-departure and post-return tests and having to isolate until the return test is declared clear, and the risk of anywhere turning into a red zone country, I think I'll scrub going to France for 10 days at Christmas. It would add nearly £200 in tests, plus the risk of £2400 and missing a week's work on my return. But can defer my EasyJet flights and cancel an overnight hotel. And thankfully my TGV tickets were cheap-as-chips Ouigo ones.
Still, bügger.0 -
Erse, tough luck BT. Thinking our Belgian trip last weekend was a v lucky window opportunity, again.0
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It's a little scary how much our Christmas trip to the French Alps via Geneva has increased by this week due to all the changes, but not much we can do.
Seems daft that you still need the 2 day PCR which potentially could be done within 24 hours of the pre-departure test, if you had a PCR as pre-departure.0 -
So if this happens more it’ll be lockdown again.0 -
Depends if the backlog is Covid related surely?rick_chasey said:
So if this happens more it’ll be lockdown again.0 -
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Am flying abroad next weekend to see family over Xmas. I'm out for a couple of weeks, and I totally see having to pony up for a quarantine hotel.0
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If they'll let you into the country you're going to.drhaggis said:Am flying abroad next weekend to see family over Xmas. I'm out for a couple of weeks, and I totally see having to pony up for a quarantine hotel.
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22 seems a particularly large but it has been a problem to some extent for a good few yearsrick_chasey said:If it’s not there’s a much bigger problem!!!
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rick_chasey said:
If it’s not there’s a much bigger problem!!!
Looking at some of the linked reports going back to October, it looks like there's a problem of discharging patients, as there aren't enough carers to look after them back at home.0 -
orraloon said:
Erse, tough luck BT. Thinking our Belgian trip last weekend was a v lucky window opportunity, again.
Yeah, wishing I'd gone in October half term. Oh well. Will probably try Feb half term, and then Easter. And then Summer half term. And then...0 -
It’s already too late. The 23rd of December lockdown is being pushed by the medics. It’s not looking good.rick_chasey said:
So if this happens more it’ll be lockdown again.0 -
ST reckons of the Covid patients needing intensive care 90% are unvaccinated
Really can’t see the majority will comply with a lockdown when you only need lockdown the tvvats. And frankly if it is a choice of lockdown everybody or making vaccine passports compulsory it amounts to the same thing for anti vaxxers0 -
Another mask study:
Basically they're useful, not just a little bit, better if infectious person is wearing as well as susceptible, surgical better than cloth and ffp2 better still.3 -
I would be pretty annoyed if Xmas is cancelled for a second time when we are all capable of managing our own risk. Is the Venn diagram two overlapping circles of people who don't like their families over those who want a lockdown.Ncovidius said:
It’s already too late. The 23rd of December lockdown is being pushed by the medics. It’s not looking good.rick_chasey said:
So if this happens more it’ll be lockdown again.
We could have had a couple of hospitals built for all the antivaxers to attend with covid by now. Sure the care might have been rubbish but who cares.0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Paq17X6ucQ
Sounding positive.3
