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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Anyone surprised that everyone was told to cancel all parties last December by number 10 who then had a few drinks parties?
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,104
    kingstongraham said:

    Anyone surprised that everyone was told to cancel all parties last December by number 10 who then had a few drinks parties?

    No but they should be prosecuted - it can't be in the public interest that our elected leaders are above the law
    [Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,104
    Also interesting programme on Radio 4 this afternoon on conspiracy theories and why you can't always dispel them with logic.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited December 2021
    kingstongraham said:

    Anyone surprised that everyone was told to cancel all parties last December by number 10 who then had a few drinks parties?

    In a democracy the rulers can’t be above the law. It all falls apart otherwise.

    The PM is not king
    _
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    I read somewhere Covid isn't keen on the posh or environments with convivial fraternal spirits.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    kingstongraham said:

    Anyone surprised that everyone was told to cancel all parties last December by number 10 who then had a few drinks parties?

    Wasn't a party as people weren't enjoying it much or something like that in which case at least half of the Christmas work events I've attended weren't parties either.

    Least surprising thing ever but probably the sort of thing that will upset Boris's borrowed voters far more than most things.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,329
    Pross said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Anyone surprised that everyone was told to cancel all parties last December by number 10 who then had a few drinks parties?

    Wasn't a party as people weren't enjoying it much or something like that in which case at least half of the Christmas work events I've attended weren't parties either.

    Least surprising thing ever but probably the sort of thing that will upset Boris's borrowed voters far more than most things.
    This is what has to be remembered. One of the main reasons for the 80 seat majority was some people's leap of faith. Will it be repeated?
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Anyone surprised that everyone was told to cancel all parties last December by number 10 who then had a few drinks parties?

    Wasn't a party as people weren't enjoying it much or something like that in which case at least half of the Christmas work events I've attended weren't parties either.

    Least surprising thing ever but probably the sort of thing that will upset Boris's borrowed voters far more than most things.
    This is what has to be remembered. One of the main reasons for the 80 seat majority was some people's leap of faith. Will it be repeated?
    This is such a weird argument.

    Of course the winner won some swing voters. That’s how you win elections.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,329
    It’s not an argument, it is a point. Swing voters are easily lost.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • mully79
    mully79 Posts: 904
    Having gifted a vote to Boris and realised that Boris having a majority is a bad thing I now worry giving a vote to Labour might make them think their policies are popular.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited December 2021
    I know but there is a narrative around “borrowed voters” which cropped up last election and it irritated me then.

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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Dowden currently in full on evade and deflect mode on Breakfast about the party that somehow didn't breach Covid regulations that prevented groups gathering indoors. Apparently the public aren't interested in something that happened last year. Staite missed an open goal when one of the deflections was that he is concentrating on the worrying new strain I felt.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Pross said:

    Dowden currently in full on evade and deflect mode on Breakfast about the party that somehow didn't breach Covid regulations that prevented groups gathering indoors. Apparently the public aren't interested in something that happened last year. Staite missed an open goal when one of the deflections was that he is concentrating on the worrying new strain I felt.

    I think the last couple of u-turns have permanently ended Tory trust in Boris and now they are far more reluctant to take to the airwaves sticking rigidly to the provided script. The defences I have seen have been far more equivocal.
  • Ncovidius
    Ncovidius Posts: 229
    edited December 2021
    Full lockdown is on the table now ( according to someone I know who works closely with government, and hasn’t got it wrong yet ) the dates being mooted are either 23rd of December, 27th December, or 4th January, depending on how the numbers look. Boris is pushing for the 4th January. It will be held until the second week in March.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    ^ Why?
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,365
    Aha, Telegraph bringing together various strands here: covid, EU, and Sweden. Not quite sure how they left out 'the left', but it's not a bad effort, and continues their fixation with Europe. It's almost like deep down they are regretting the decree absolute going through, and can only justify their own misery by hoping the ex is even more miserable.


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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,104
    Ncovidius said:

    Full lockdown is on the table now ( according to someone I know who works closely with government, and hasn’t got it wrong yet ) the dates being mooted are either 23rd of December, 27th December, or 4th January, depending on how the numbers look. Boris is pushing for the 4th January. It will be held until the second week in March.

    What do you mean by "full lockdown".

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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,104
    DeVlaeminck said:

    Ncovidius said:

    Full lockdown is on the table now ( according to someone I know who works closely with government, and hasn’t got it wrong yet ) the dates being mooted are either 23rd of December, 27th December, or 4th January, depending on how the numbers look. Boris is pushing for the 4th January. It will be held until the second week in March.

    What do you mean by "full lockdown".

    Not sure why I'm asking as obviously they wouldn't plan for a lock down 1 month in advance or with that sort of detail.
    [Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,365
    DeVlaeminck said:



    What do you mean by "full lockdown".


    I think he means "Please can someone respond?".
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  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    briantrumpet said:

    DeVlaeminck said:



    What do you mean by "full lockdown".


    I think he means "Please can someone respond?".
    or "I'm trying to stay relevant by making increasingly absurd and unfounded comments.."

    Comments like 'A mate who works closely with the government' are beyond desperate..
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,365
    imposter2.0 said:

    briantrumpet said:

    DeVlaeminck said:



    What do you mean by "full lockdown".


    I think he means "Please can someone respond?".
    or "I'm trying to stay relevant by making increasingly absurd and unfounded comments.."

    Comments like 'A mate who works closely with the government' are beyond desperate..

    Maybe he's been talking to a pub landlord who knows Matt Hancock... or at least served him a beer once. Or someone who looked like him.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Ncovidius said:

    ( according to someone I know who works closely with government, and hasn’t got it wrong yet )

    Why have you not listened to them ever before?
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    Ncovidius said:

    Full lockdown is on the table now ( according to someone I know who works closely with government, and hasn’t got it wrong yet ) the dates being mooted are either 23rd of December, 27th December, or 4th January, depending on how the numbers look. Boris is pushing for the 4th January. It will be held until the second week in March.

    If they step tings up it's going to be a complete tradegy this chwistmas.
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,605
    Well if you use the milemuncher method of counting we're almost running at 400 deaths a day...

    Which is nearly almost the same as last year.

    And these numbers are following lots of socialising compared to last year too.

    It's not that it's over, but the vaccine does seem to have taken the edge off markedly.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ml9kYeOPeg
    Update on the facts.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,365
    Jezyboy said:

    Well if you use the milemuncher method of counting we're almost running at 400 deaths a day...

    Which is nearly almost the same as last year.

    And these numbers are following lots of socialising compared to last year too.

    It's not that it's over, but the vaccine does seem to have taken the edge off markedly.


    I'd be interested if there's actual government pleasure in seeing a widening divergence between infections and deaths (if it continues). (Obviously they're not going to publicly show 'pleasure' while hundreds are still dying.)

    Even if no direct comparisons between countries is necessarily sound here (and there does seem to be a data blip in the US figures), to see the UK line still edging down is indeed encouraging. And I don't see anything here that would encourage a Tory Party to 'cancel Christmas' (or anything after that) as things stand.


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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Well, they might cancel Christmas but obviously not for themselves.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    Obvs. Convivial, fraternal, corrupt, racist, posh boys don't get bugs do they.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,329
    orraloon said:

    Obvs. Convivial, fraternal, corrupt, racist, posh boys don't get bugs do they.

    Which one did BJ fail on? Convivial?
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    briantrumpet said:

    imposter2.0 said:

    briantrumpet said:

    DeVlaeminck said:



    What do you mean by "full lockdown".


    I think he means "Please can someone respond?".
    or "I'm trying to stay relevant by making increasingly absurd and unfounded comments.."

    Comments like 'A mate who works closely with the government' are beyond desperate..

    Maybe he's been talking to a pub landlord who knows Matt Hancock... or at least served him a beer once. Or someone who looked like him.
    It's probably someone who Nick was in the SAS with, out in 'the sandbox'. Or it might have been someone from that time when he was in MI6..

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