The big Coronavirus thread

Ben6899

kingstongraham said:

This is good from Javid.

https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status/1458342260769239041?t=6H2wSrsRF6HKc_wZ3uHwmw&s=19

Also, apparently Johnson had come out from doing his broadcast interviews and had forgotten to put his mask back on. Was reminded shortly after that he was supposed to be wearing a mask in all parts of the hospital. So many lies for something so small.

No time for Javid whatsoever, but he's on the money here.

Ben6899

rjsterry said:

Ben6899 said:

rjsterry said:

pblakeney said:

surrey_commuter said:

what do we think about compulsory jabs for NHS staff? on the face of it it seems obvious but the downside is that we could end up with significantly worse staff shortages

Nice in theory, hard to implement in reality.
Suspicion is that there will be a lot of exemptions, or staff shortages.
We will see how many are willing to quit out of principle. I suspect fewer than feared.

I had to get Hep and BCG jabs just to work as ward domestic in my student holidays (late '90s). I don't recall being given the option.

There are a handful of legal things that I cannot take/consume because of my job. Again, no choice in the matter, but not being able to eat my favourite type of cake* is a small sacrifice.

*no, not that cake

"... I'm afraid millionaire's shortbread is strictly prohibited at all times on the premises."

If it was millionaire's shortbread, I'd be looking for a new job!

kingstonian

Good on him for picking up on her spiky little comment. On this topic he’s spot on.

shirley_basso

Ben6899 said:

rjsterry said:

pblakeney said:

surrey_commuter said:

what do we think about compulsory jabs for NHS staff? on the face of it it seems obvious but the downside is that we could end up with significantly worse staff shortages

Nice in theory, hard to implement in reality.
Suspicion is that there will be a lot of exemptions, or staff shortages.
We will see how many are willing to quit out of principle. I suspect fewer than feared.

I had to get Hep and BCG jabs just to work as ward domestic in my student holidays (late '90s). I don't recall being given the option.

There are a handful of legal things that I cannot take/consume because of my job. Again, no choice in the matter, but not being able to eat my favourite type of cake* is a small sacrifice.

*no, not that cake

Can you elaborate on this...I am intrigued

Ben6899

shirley_basso said:

Ben6899 said:

rjsterry said:

pblakeney said:

surrey_commuter said:

what do we think about compulsory jabs for NHS staff? on the face of it it seems obvious but the downside is that we could end up with significantly worse staff shortages

Nice in theory, hard to implement in reality.
Suspicion is that there will be a lot of exemptions, or staff shortages.
We will see how many are willing to quit out of principle. I suspect fewer than feared.

I had to get Hep and BCG jabs just to work as ward domestic in my student holidays (late '90s). I don't recall being given the option.

There are a handful of legal things that I cannot take/consume because of my job. Again, no choice in the matter, but not being able to eat my favourite type of cake* is a small sacrifice.

*no, not that cake

Can you elaborate on this...I am intrigued

My favourite cake has poppy seeds in it. If you have a piece of cake or bread with poppy seeds and are then randomly D&A* tested within 24hrs, you'll very likely show positive for opiates.

*Drugs & Alcohol. I'd be unlucky to lose my job - a test 24hrs later would show I don't take heroin because the opiates would no longer be in my system - but I'd be suspended until everything had a line drawn under it. And I'd then probably have to undergo a full medical to get my access tickets re-stamped.

I can't take over-the-counter codeine either - need a Dr note and agreement/monitoring from Occy Health, alongside curtailing of duties.

shirley_basso

Ah ok. That's quite sensible and a bit less exciting that I was hoping for.

Ben6899

shirley_basso said:

Ah ok. That's quite sensible and a bit less exciting that I was hoping for.

Sorry about that.

First.Aspect

So much of this is thick people getting indignant about personal choice and then exercising it just to make the point. There is no intellectual assessment of whether the particular perceived infringement of personal choice is objectionable because it is in some way unprecedented, or merely because it is new.

rick_chasey

First.Aspect said:

So much of this is thick people getting indignant about personal choice and then exercising it just to make the point. There is no intellectual assessment of whether the particular perceived infringement of personal choice is objectionable because it is in some way unprecedented, or merely because it is new.

There are swathes of people who no longer understand what society or community actually means.

They think they live in their own bubble and they only need to think about themselves.

veronese68

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

So much of this is thick people getting indignant about personal choice and then exercising it just to make the point. There is no intellectual assessment of whether the particular perceived infringement of personal choice is objectionable because it is in some way unprecedented, or merely because it is new.

They think they live in their own bubble and they only need to think about themselves.

This applies to so many things, people think they are special and rules are for others but not for them.

Going back to millionaires shortbread, there must be a lot of millionaires around as so many places seem to sell a lot of the stuff.

Ben6899

veronese68 said:

Going back to millionaires shortbread, there must be a lot of millionaires around as so many places seem to sell a lot of the stuff.

It's all relative. If you're sat there with a gingerbread man, and I've got a slab of shortbread covered in caramel and chocolate then if you had to guess, which one of us owns a penthouse flat in Wilmslow?

darkhairedlord

Ben6899 said:

Ncovidius said:

A ( double jabbed ) colleague of mine was eating his lunch about ten minutes ago, in the canteen. He said he couldn’t taste anything. We have a stock of LF tests here, just in case. He tested positive, and has been sent home. So much for this all being over then. Fortunately he was no where near me all shift ( different department, different part of a large building ). But that was quite a shocker.

Mate, your posts are sometimes like all the worst bits of Twitter rolled into one, without me even actively following those accounts.

So thanks for that.

Covidius or covidiot

kingstonian

First.Aspect said:

So much of this is thick people getting indignant about personal choice and then exercising it just to make the point. There is no intellectual assessment of whether the particular perceived infringement of personal choice is objectionable because it is in some way unprecedented, or merely because it is new.

I suspect that if a poll were conducted we’d find that those kicking off about Covid jabs are the same folk that kick off about virtually everything, just to exercise what they see as their right to be different.

We have friends we are supposed to be going skiing with next Easter. Except they are currently saying that their 13 year old son won’t be vaccinated, which under current restrictions means he can’t access the country where the holiday is booked. The father, and to be fair the boy too, both fall in the “Just have to be different” camp when it comes to contentious topics and it was so predictable they’d take this stance. Don’t know whether common sense will prevail or not - if it doesn’t it will be a real shame as we’ve delayed this trip twice now and outside of this topic they’re great people to spend time with (and to be fair the mother is perfectly rational, it is the father in the family being the weird one).

pblakeney

Will his rational change if he has to pay for a holiday he chooses not to go on?

Ncovidius

surrey_commuter said:

what do we think about compulsory jabs for NHS staff? on the face of it it seems obvious but the downside is that we could end up with significantly worse staff shortages

I agree. It’s a good idea on paper, but it will ultimately cause issues with staff levels. I think there are enough people working in the N.H.S. who would walk, rather than get vaccinated, to cause an issue.

Ncovidius

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

pblakeney said:

surrey_commuter said:

what do we think about compulsory jabs for NHS staff? on the face of it it seems obvious but the downside is that we could end up with significantly worse staff shortages

Nice in theory, hard to implement in reality.
Suspicion is that there will be a lot of exemptions, or staff shortages.
We will see how many are willing to quit out of principle. I suspect fewer than feared.

I had to get Hep and BCG jabs just to work as ward domestic in my student holidays (late '90s). I don't recall being given the option.

Covid is seen as different for some reason. Probably the timescale of development.

I think the real bother, is that some of the vaccines are using a new mechanism ( mRNA ) rather than the traditionally accepted mechanism. People tend not to trust new ways of doing things.

Ncovidius

pblakeney said:

Ncovidius said:

A ( double jabbed ) colleague of mine was eating his lunch about ten minutes ago, in the canteen. He said he couldn’t taste anything. We have a stock of LF tests here, just in case. He tested positive, and has been sent home. So much for this all being over then. Fortunately he was no where near me all shift ( different department, different part of a large building ). But that was quite a shocker.

I am more surprised by people thinking this is over than by people catching it.
By surprised, I mean disappointed.

I don’t think it’s over, it’s going to be endemic. It makes me chuckle when I hear people talking about it in the past tense.

monkimark

I doubt many people (including me) understand how either type of vaccine works in any detail.
The mRNA version has the disadvantage that it's something a bit to do with DNA and lunatics on the internet claim it changes your DNA.

Jezyboy

Ncovidius said:

pblakeney said:

Ncovidius said:

A ( double jabbed ) colleague of mine was eating his lunch about ten minutes ago, in the canteen. He said he couldn’t taste anything. We have a stock of LF tests here, just in case. He tested positive, and has been sent home. So much for this all being over then. Fortunately he was no where near me all shift ( different department, different part of a large building ). But that was quite a shocker.

I am more surprised by people thinking this is over than by people catching it.
By surprised, I mean disappointed.

I don’t think it’s over, it’s going to be endemic. It makes me chuckle when I hear people talking about it in the past tense.

Are you using the wrong log in?

longy

My initial reaction to the vaccine roll out was to distrust it, mainly down to the fact that I distrust anything Boris is pushing.

However, several seconds later, I decided that I was even less keen on the idea of a ventilator (or worse) so, when invited, had both vaccinations with enthusiasm. I'm happy about that right now, currently self-isolating and (so far) suffering only mild symptoms.

kingstonian

pblakeney said:

Will his rational change if he has to pay for a holiday he chooses not to go on?

I expect by January he’ll feel he has made his point enough and the son will get the jab. Or by then his wife has managed to talk sense into him. Either way, it is all a bit ridiculous.

First.Aspect

kingstonian said:

pblakeney said:

Will his rational change if he has to pay for a holiday he chooses not to go on?

I expect by January he’ll feel he has made his point enough and the son will get the jab. Or by then his wife has managed to talk sense into him. Either way, it is all a bit ridiculous.

It is no different from a child being told not to touch something because it will hurt. So it touches that thing and gets hurt.

He might be good company but you must realise that this sort of thing exposes the stupidity just beneath the veneer of intelligence, that has been there all along?

kingstonian

First.Aspect said:

kingstonian said:

pblakeney said:

Will his rational change if he has to pay for a holiday he chooses not to go on?

I expect by January he’ll feel he has made his point enough and the son will get the jab. Or by then his wife has managed to talk sense into him. Either way, it is all a bit ridiculous.

It is no different from a child being told not to touch something because it will hurt. So it touches that thing and gets hurt.

He might be good company but you must realise that this sort of thing exposes the stupidity just beneath the veneer of intelligence, that has been there all along?

My wife is good mates with his wife and our eldest children get along well at school - that’s the link. He and I get along okay but it isn’t as if I’d give him a call to go to the pub for a pint and a chat.

john80

kingstongraham said:

Expert messaging: "Get your booster - remember, there's too many dickheads who won't even wear a mask while walking around a hospital at a time of high cases"

On this very same visit on the news later that night he is on camera wearing a mask as he tours round other parts of the hospital. It the cuts to him giving an interview in front of an MRI scanner without a mask. So essentially he both wears a mask and doesn't. So it is fair to say that he does not never wear a mask but I could not tell you what his criteria is.

orraloon

Spaffer has a single criterion: me, me, me.

focuszing723

orraloon said:

Spaffer has a single criterion: me, me, me.

To be socially diplomatic, it's probably more Carrie, Carrie, Carrie.

orraloon

focuszing723 said:

orraloon said:

Spaffer has a single criterion: me, me, me.

To be socially diplomatic, it's probably more Carrie, Carrie, Carrie.

Nah. That's just Princess NutNuts, this year's (decade's? doubt it somehow) official partner. She'll be gone soon enough. Me. Me. Me. It's all the fuxxer does.

kingstongraham

john80 said:

kingstongraham said:

Expert messaging: "Get your booster - remember, there's too many dickheads who won't even wear a mask while walking around a hospital at a time of high cases"

On this very same visit on the news later that night he is on camera wearing a mask as he tours round other parts of the hospital. It the cuts to him giving an interview in front of an MRI scanner without a mask. So essentially he both wears a mask and doesn't. So it is fair to say that he does not never wear a mask but I could not tell you what his criteria is.

Apparently he was not wearing a mask for broadcast interviews, then went out to meet these people, forgetting to put his mask back on. He was reminded that he was supposed to wear a mask everywhere in the hospital (except where he was doing interviews) and put it on. Which isn't too bad.

But he couldn't say that, so then all his apologists had to come out to say that actually, the king was wearing the finest clothes they'd ever seen.

briantrumpet

kingstongraham said:

john80 said:

kingstongraham said:

Expert messaging: "Get your booster - remember, there's too many dickheads who won't even wear a mask while walking around a hospital at a time of high cases"

On this very same visit on the news later that night he is on camera wearing a mask as he tours round other parts of the hospital. It the cuts to him giving an interview in front of an MRI scanner without a mask. So essentially he both wears a mask and doesn't. So it is fair to say that he does not never wear a mask but I could not tell you what his criteria is.

Apparently he was not wearing a mask for broadcast interviews, then went out to meet these people, forgetting to put his mask back on. He was reminded that he was supposed to wear a mask everywhere in the hospital (except where he was doing interviews) and put it on. Which isn't too bad.

But he couldn't say that, so then all his apologists had to come out to say that actually, the king was wearing the finest clothes they'd ever seen.

Wasn't his carer on duty for the visit? "Mr Johnson, have we forgotten to do something? Yes, Mr Johnson, you're the Prime Minister, that's right, and we don't want people to think you're a complete tw@t, do we, Mr Johnson?"

john80

kingstongraham said:

john80 said:

kingstongraham said:

Expert messaging: "Get your booster - remember, there's too many dickheads who won't even wear a mask while walking around a hospital at a time of high cases"

On this very same visit on the news later that night he is on camera wearing a mask as he tours round other parts of the hospital. It the cuts to him giving an interview in front of an MRI scanner without a mask. So essentially he both wears a mask and doesn't. So it is fair to say that he does not never wear a mask but I could not tell you what his criteria is.

Apparently he was not wearing a mask for broadcast interviews, then went out to meet these people, forgetting to put his mask back on. He was reminded that he was supposed to wear a mask everywhere in the hospital (except where he was doing interviews) and put it on. Which isn't too bad.

But he couldn't say that, so then all his apologists had to come out to say that actually, the king was wearing the finest clothes they'd ever seen.

It's more embarrassing that they don't just say they don't know as they were not there or actually get a definitive factual record. It's just very half arsed.