The big Coronavirus thread

Pross

rjsterry said:

The flat out disputing of reality on our sky high infections was probably more of an issue than not wearing a mask when he should have done.

Also Farrar has quit SAGE, which suggests they are being ignored.

JVT said on Breakfast that it was down to him having done what he can with SAGE and wanted to get back to doing his day job with the Wellcome Trust (but looked awkward as he did while trying to answer other questions without openly criticising the Government).

Pross

Attenborough should have asked Boris to wear a mask and if he refused should have asked to be relocated. That would have created a reaction.

First.Aspect

Pross said:

Attenborough should have asked Boris to wear a mask and if he refused should have asked to be relocated. That would have created a reaction.

But they know each other, right, so it's perfectly safe?

pangolin

Pross said:

Attenborough should have asked Boris to wear a mask and if he refused should have asked to be relocated. That would have created a reaction.

He should have pulled out his phone and done a comedy narration of the strange mammal sitting next to him.

dinyull

Pross said:

Attenborough should have asked Boris to wear a mask and if he refused should have asked to be relocated. That would have created a reaction.

Would have moved the attention away from his only goal that day though.

All of the pics I've seen of them sat together, despite all of the people in the background, it's amazing that BoJo is the only one without a face mask. And so utterly on brand.

surrey_commuter

If Boris had two cells to rub together he would be shittin it that the old fella dies of Covid in the next month

john80

Have any of you considered that Attenborough is probably vaccinated and did not give much of a toss whether Boris wore a mask or not. Look I get you all think setting an example is really important but the faux outrage is a bit draining when let's face it you have probably all got at least 10 instances of where you could wear a mask but have not.

rjsterry

john80 said:

Have any of you considered that Attenborough is probably vaccinated and did not give much of a toss whether Boris wore a mask or not. Look I get you all think setting an example is really important but the faux outrage is a bit draining when let's face it you have probably all got at least 10 instances of where you could wear a mask but have not.

If you are 95, vaccination improves your odds but you still wouldn't want to chance it. Most of us here are 40-50 years younger than Attenborough.

Ncovidius

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10160347/Professor-Jonathan-Van-Tam-warns-Christmas-lockdown-hard-months-come.html

It seems JVT isn’t ruling out a Christmas lockdown then. I’m both shocked and amazed, in equal measure.

john80

rjsterry said:

john80 said:

Have any of you considered that Attenborough is probably vaccinated and did not give much of a toss whether Boris wore a mask or not. Look I get you all think setting an example is really important but the faux outrage is a bit draining when let's face it you have probably all got at least 10 instances of where you could wear a mask but have not.

If you are 95, vaccination improves your odds but you still wouldn't want to chance it. Most of us here are 40-50 years younger than Attenborough.

Is there much evidence that Attenborough is as bothered as you are. Covid is heavily out in the community. He has risked it by leaving his house and my money is that he is happy to accept the risk for a normal life and to put his climate change fears across. If he has grand kids then he is more at risk when they come visit.

kingstongraham

john80 said:

rjsterry said:

john80 said:

Have any of you considered that Attenborough is probably vaccinated and did not give much of a toss whether Boris wore a mask or not. Look I get you all think setting an example is really important but the faux outrage is a bit draining when let's face it you have probably all got at least 10 instances of where you could wear a mask but have not.

If you are 95, vaccination improves your odds but you still wouldn't want to chance it. Most of us here are 40-50 years younger than Attenborough.

Is there much evidence that Attenborough is as bothered as you are. Covid is heavily out in the community. He has risked it by leaving his house and my money is that he is happy to accept the risk for a normal life and to put his climate change fears across. If he has grand kids then he is more at risk when they come visit.

Wearing his own mask, wasn't he? I'm sure he thought it was worth the risk given the audience he could speak in front of. Double vaxxed people still catch it, and the older you are, the more risk, even with the vaccine. You know both those things, I'm sure.

I still don't understand why you constantly feel the need to say that because I must have forgotten a mask when going in a shop once, it's not really that bad when the prime minister whose government is advising wearing masks in exactly that situation doesn't wear a mask even while being photographed next to a 95 year old national treasure.

I think more people being seen wearing masks in that kind of situation is good, because it helps people behave in the way the government say is the most responsible. Johnson for some reason does not.

pblakeney

BJ wasn't wearing a mask because he knows Sir David.
Sir David was wearing a mask because he knows BJ. 😉

Ben6899

john80 said:

Have any of you considered that Attenborough is probably vaccinated and did not give much of a toss whether Boris wore a mask or not. Look I get you all think setting an example is really important but the faux outrage is a bit draining when let's face it you have probably all got at least 10 instances of where you could wear a mask but have not.

Only one poster has got anywhere near "outrage" today, John.

briantrumpet

John's now an expert on what David Attenborough thinks.

john80

I just find it pretty amusing your outrage at Boris. I have spent the last ten days in a house with two kids with covid and yet no transmission to me or the missus. I think a lot of you are over egging the risks of catching covid from Boris when he is in a rather large hall and Attenborough is wearing a mask.

The reality is that Boris could wear a mask most of the day and you would still find a photo of him to complain about. I have seen recent pictures of him wearing a mask so it's not like he never wears one. Is he really that much different to the average UK resident. I await the normal response of example setting and yet more faux outrage.

john80

kingstongraham said:

john80 said:

rjsterry said:

john80 said:

Have any of you considered that Attenborough is probably vaccinated and did not give much of a toss whether Boris wore a mask or not. Look I get you all think setting an example is really important but the faux outrage is a bit draining when let's face it you have probably all got at least 10 instances of where you could wear a mask but have not.

If you are 95, vaccination improves your odds but you still wouldn't want to chance it. Most of us here are 40-50 years younger than Attenborough.

Is there much evidence that Attenborough is as bothered as you are. Covid is heavily out in the community. He has risked it by leaving his house and my money is that he is happy to accept the risk for a normal life and to put his climate change fears across. If he has grand kids then he is more at risk when they come visit.

Wearing his own mask, wasn't he? I'm sure he thought it was worth the risk given the audience he could speak in front of. Double vaxxed people still catch it, and the older you are, the more risk, even with the vaccine. You know both those things, I'm sure.

I still don't understand why you constantly feel the need to say that because I must have forgotten a mask when going in a shop once, it's not really that bad when the prime minister whose government is advising wearing masks in exactly that situation doesn't wear a mask even while being photographed next to a 95 year old national treasure.

I think more people being seen wearing masks in that kind of situation is good, because it helps people behave in the way the government say is the most responsible. Johnson for some reason does not.

You need to get Vallance on board with the mask lovers. He thinks there is a balance to be struck where wearing a mask in some situations might help. However his clear priority is still getting the vaccine or boosters. We don't know for example if Boris is taking regular lateral flows or any other number of measures that is not as public as wearing a mask.

kingstongraham

john80 said:

kingstongraham said:

john80 said:

rjsterry said:

john80 said:

Have any of you considered that Attenborough is probably vaccinated and did not give much of a toss whether Boris wore a mask or not. Look I get you all think setting an example is really important but the faux outrage is a bit draining when let's face it you have probably all got at least 10 instances of where you could wear a mask but have not.

If you are 95, vaccination improves your odds but you still wouldn't want to chance it. Most of us here are 40-50 years younger than Attenborough.

Is there much evidence that Attenborough is as bothered as you are. Covid is heavily out in the community. He has risked it by leaving his house and my money is that he is happy to accept the risk for a normal life and to put his climate change fears across. If he has grand kids then he is more at risk when they come visit.

Wearing his own mask, wasn't he? I'm sure he thought it was worth the risk given the audience he could speak in front of. Double vaxxed people still catch it, and the older you are, the more risk, even with the vaccine. You know both those things, I'm sure.

I still don't understand why you constantly feel the need to say that because I must have forgotten a mask when going in a shop once, it's not really that bad when the prime minister whose government is advising wearing masks in exactly that situation doesn't wear a mask even while being photographed next to a 95 year old national treasure.

I think more people being seen wearing masks in that kind of situation is good, because it helps people behave in the way the government say is the most responsible. Johnson for some reason does not.

You need to get Vallance on board with the mask lovers. He thinks there is a balance to be struck where wearing a mask in some situations might help. However his clear priority is still getting the vaccine or boosters. We don't know for example if Boris is taking regular lateral flows or any other number of measures that is not as public as wearing a mask.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-57728218

Johnson seems to object to the inconvenience of wearing a condom, so can't imagine him doing lateral flow tests correctly all the time.

Ben6899

john80 said:

I just find it pretty amusing your outrage at Boris. I have spent the last ten days in a house with two kids with covid and yet no transmission to me or the missus. I think a lot of you are over egging the risks of catching covid from Boris when he is in a rather large hall and Attenborough is wearing a mask.

The reality is that Boris could wear a mask most of the day and you would still find a photo of him to complain about. I have seen recent pictures of him wearing a mask so it's not like he never wears one. Is he really that much different to the average UK resident. I await the normal response of example setting and yet more faux outrage.

He’s the Prime Minister. With a personal PR team.

DeVlaeminck

john80 said:

Have any of you considered that Attenborough is probably vaccinated and did not give much of a toss whether Boris wore a mask or not. Look I get you all think setting an example is really important but the faux outrage is a bit draining when let's face it you have probably all got at least 10 instances of where you could wear a mask but have not.

My point was more how Boris doesn't play the game and whether it's arrogance, ignorance or actually part of a carefully planned image.

Pross

DeVlaeminck said:

john80 said:

Have any of you considered that Attenborough is probably vaccinated and did not give much of a toss whether Boris wore a mask or not. Look I get you all think setting an example is really important but the faux outrage is a bit draining when let's face it you have probably all got at least 10 instances of where you could wear a mask but have not.

My point was more how Boris doesn't play the game and whether it's arrogance, ignorance or actually part of a carefully planned image.

I think he's used Trump as his role model. Show what a rebel you are by constantly battling against "the man" when the reality is you are "the man". Seems to still be fooling a certain demographic that he wants to attract though

john80

kingstongraham said:

john80 said:

kingstongraham said:

john80 said:

rjsterry said:

john80 said:

Have any of you considered that Attenborough is probably vaccinated and did not give much of a toss whether Boris wore a mask or not. Look I get you all think setting an example is really important but the faux outrage is a bit draining when let's face it you have probably all got at least 10 instances of where you could wear a mask but have not.

If you are 95, vaccination improves your odds but you still wouldn't want to chance it. Most of us here are 40-50 years younger than Attenborough.

Is there much evidence that Attenborough is as bothered as you are. Covid is heavily out in the community. He has risked it by leaving his house and my money is that he is happy to accept the risk for a normal life and to put his climate change fears across. If he has grand kids then he is more at risk when they come visit.

Wearing his own mask, wasn't he? I'm sure he thought it was worth the risk given the audience he could speak in front of. Double vaxxed people still catch it, and the older you are, the more risk, even with the vaccine. You know both those things, I'm sure.

I still don't understand why you constantly feel the need to say that because I must have forgotten a mask when going in a shop once, it's not really that bad when the prime minister whose government is advising wearing masks in exactly that situation doesn't wear a mask even while being photographed next to a 95 year old national treasure.

I think more people being seen wearing masks in that kind of situation is good, because it helps people behave in the way the government say is the most responsible. Johnson for some reason does not.

You need to get Vallance on board with the mask lovers. He thinks there is a balance to be struck where wearing a mask in some situations might help. However his clear priority is still getting the vaccine or boosters. We don't know for example if Boris is taking regular lateral flows or any other number of measures that is not as public as wearing a mask.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-57728218

Johnson seems to object to the inconvenience of wearing a condom, so can't imagine him doing lateral flow tests correctly all the time.

In most relationships for the first ten years who mainly controls whether they have a baby or not. I don't think anyone is saying he can hold down a relationship but to suggest there is not two equal parties to these kids is a bit far fetched. They are all well to do well educated women ffs.

john80

Pross said:

DeVlaeminck said:

john80 said:

Have any of you considered that Attenborough is probably vaccinated and did not give much of a toss whether Boris wore a mask or not. Look I get you all think setting an example is really important but the faux outrage is a bit draining when let's face it you have probably all got at least 10 instances of where you could wear a mask but have not.

My point was more how Boris doesn't play the game and whether it's arrogance, ignorance or actually part of a carefully planned image.

I think he's used Trump as his role model. Show what a rebel you are by constantly battling against "the man" when the reality is you are "the man". Seems to still be fooling a certain demographic that he wants to attract though

Because everyone loves a slick politician such as starmer. I am sure he would have had a mask on at all times and a Johnny over the top for some extra security.

kingstongraham

john80 said:

kingstongraham said:

john80 said:

kingstongraham said:

john80 said:

rjsterry said:

john80 said:

Have any of you considered that Attenborough is probably vaccinated and did not give much of a toss whether Boris wore a mask or not. Look I get you all think setting an example is really important but the faux outrage is a bit draining when let's face it you have probably all got at least 10 instances of where you could wear a mask but have not.

If you are 95, vaccination improves your odds but you still wouldn't want to chance it. Most of us here are 40-50 years younger than Attenborough.

Is there much evidence that Attenborough is as bothered as you are. Covid is heavily out in the community. He has risked it by leaving his house and my money is that he is happy to accept the risk for a normal life and to put his climate change fears across. If he has grand kids then he is more at risk when they come visit.

Wearing his own mask, wasn't he? I'm sure he thought it was worth the risk given the audience he could speak in front of. Double vaxxed people still catch it, and the older you are, the more risk, even with the vaccine. You know both those things, I'm sure.

I still don't understand why you constantly feel the need to say that because I must have forgotten a mask when going in a shop once, it's not really that bad when the prime minister whose government is advising wearing masks in exactly that situation doesn't wear a mask even while being photographed next to a 95 year old national treasure.

I think more people being seen wearing masks in that kind of situation is good, because it helps people behave in the way the government say is the most responsible. Johnson for some reason does not.

You need to get Vallance on board with the mask lovers. He thinks there is a balance to be struck where wearing a mask in some situations might help. However his clear priority is still getting the vaccine or boosters. We don't know for example if Boris is taking regular lateral flows or any other number of measures that is not as public as wearing a mask.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-57728218

Johnson seems to object to the inconvenience of wearing a condom, so can't imagine him doing lateral flow tests correctly all the time.

In most relationships for the first ten years who mainly controls whether they have a baby or not. I don't think anyone is saying he can hold down a relationship but to suggest there is not two equal parties to these kids is a bit far fetched. They are all well to do well educated women ffs.

He's a big boy now, can probably handle a joke without you fighting for his honour.

briantrumpet

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/06/those-eligible-for-covid-boosters-to-be-invited-a-month-earlier-in-england

...and I've just been able to book mine through the booking website.

briantrumpet

briantrumpet said:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/06/those-eligible-for-covid-boosters-to-be-invited-a-month-earlier-in-england

...and I've just been able to book mine through the booking website.

Slightly conflicting reports... one I'm reading now is merely saying that you can pre-book a month in advance for an exactly six-month booster, but I've certainly shaved off a few days.

orraloon

Just booked mine via website for next Thursday. I was closer to the 6 months marker than I realised. Lots of slots available. As I had the flu vaccine this Wednesday and was asked before that had I had any other vaccinations in previous 7 days, chose appt to give me that clear week, just in case. Easy process.

briantrumpet

orraloon said:

Just booked mine via website for next Thursday. I was closer to the 6 months marker than I realised. Lots of slots available. As I had the flu vaccine this Wednesday and was asked before that had I had any other vaccinations in previous 7 days, chose appt to give me that clear week, just in case. Easy process.

As far as flu & covid jabs at the same time, from the latest medical info, it's fine - checked yesterday with a consultant surgeon (who recently did have both doses on the same day) and a GP.

surrey_commuter

Many thanks for the heads up Brian.

Was a lot less choice than six months ago so can’t see how they can have the same capacity as before

Ncovidius

john80 said:

rjsterry said:

john80 said:

Have any of you considered that Attenborough is probably vaccinated and did not give much of a toss whether Boris wore a mask or not. Look I get you all think setting an example is really important but the faux outrage is a bit draining when let's face it you have probably all got at least 10 instances of where you could wear a mask but have not.

If you are 95, vaccination improves your odds but you still wouldn't want to chance it. Most of us here are 40-50 years younger than Attenborough.

Is there much evidence that Attenborough is as bothered as you are. Covid is heavily out in the community. He has risked it by leaving his house and my money is that he is happy to accept the risk for a normal life and to put his climate change fears across. If he has grand kids then he is more at risk when they come visit.

You’ve also got to remember, that we were looking at a double jabbed ( probably booster jabbed too) Attenborough, sitting next to a double jabbed Boris, who was very I’ll with Covid 19 a while ago. I don’t think SARS-CoV-2 stood a chance there.

Ncovidius

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

rick_chasey said:

You have to be quite knee deep in conspiratorial thinking to be climate change denier.

The trick is to keep just the right side of the line between "it's not real" and "it's maybe not going to have the impact threatened". Either way you get to complain about being told what you should do, but one is acceptable. It's the same media engagement strategy as a year ago when she was saying that covid didn't look like it was going to kill anyone over the winter.

Yes, there's a lot of "the debate has taken leave of reality" nonsense, as if the existence of climate change as people commonly understand it is up for debate.

Yeahbut, there are more than a few flies in the ‘climate change ointment’. Yellowstone park is a massive one. If that blows ( as lots of geologists think it will ) it’s going to get mighty chilly here on earth, mighty quickly. There is also the problem of the earth’s natural thermal cycle. We are ( and have been for a long time ) sliding towards the next probable ice age. There’s the eternal debate about speed / rate of human influenced warming, vs speed / rate of natural decrease in temperatures because we’re heading into another ice age at present. Human influence will out pace natural cycle, but it’s merely delaying the inevitable.