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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,287
    surrey_commuter said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Good to hear mortality rates dropping in the UK.

    I suspect that is because we are testing more people.

    I would have cheered todays low number of deaths but will wait for Rick to tell me why it is bad news because half of the NHS Trusts see counting on a Sunday as a sin.
    It's not bad news, but last Monday the new deaths announced were 180, down from 260 on the Saturday, then Tuesday they announced 381, so I wouldn't pin too many hopes on it being good news either.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    kingstongraham said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Good to hear mortality rates dropping in the UK.

    I suspect that is because we are testing more people.

    I would have cheered todays low number of deaths but will wait for Rick to tell me why it is bad news because half of the NHS Trusts see counting on a Sunday as a sin.
    It's not bad news, but last Monday the new deaths announced were 180, down from 260 on the Saturday, then Tuesday they announced 381, so I wouldn't pin too many hopes on it being good news either.
    Yes I got it wrong, Monday is always a lower count, not Sunday.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,891
    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    rjsterry said:

    kingstongraham said:

    rjsterry said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Separately, I would like to point out that the idea of being able to do any kind of work in hospital is stupid, let alone actually being PM.

    Rumour has it that he is there because he hasn't eased up on the workload and so hasn't rested enough. Sounds plausible if somewhat out of character
    Surely it's also possible it just affects different people in different ways.
    Well clearly it does. Some in their 80s shrugged it off while others are in intensive care despite being young and without underlying health issues. This is fairly normal for any disease, and especially when it is new to a population. Regardless, trying to keep working while you have a non-trivial illness is only likely to prolong the illness.
    I think the "no underlying health issues" statements need to be amended to :
    No KNOWN underlying health issues.

    Plenty of folks live normal lives not knowing about an underlying health issue until it rears its head or impacts something else.
    Which rather brings a certain Russian roulette piquancy to the 'herd immunity' cheerleaders.
    It is certainly an unpredictable illness in terms of its effects, even without unknown underlying health issues.

    Bottom line as I see it is that there are only two ways out in the end:-
    1. Herd immunity via a successful vaccination programme
    2. Herd immunity via people catching it and gaining natural immunity.

    Or some combination of the two. Assuming these work.
    The best estimate so far is 1 in 5 requiring hospital treatment so let's hope it's more of option 1.
    There are still some people that believe in the great iceberg theory. I can't really see how it stacks up, but in the same way that I know I won't win the lottery, it is sometimes good to believe.
    I thought that according to Worldometer that 1 in 20 get hospitalised and 1 in 5 of the die. That gives a mortality rate of 1% which tallies with other stats.

    Then again 500,000 with it in the UK seems low compared to our sample size on here and sane people that I know who think they have had it. As always all sample sizes are skewed.
    17,911 admitted to hospital with coronavirus in the UK
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  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    If Boris is "very much in charge", then why hasn't the chair of todays Coronavirus meeting (Dominic Raab) not spoken to him today?
  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 17,496
    mrfpb said:

    If Boris is "very much in charge", then why hasn't the chair of todays Coronavirus meeting (Dominic Raab) not spoken to him today?

    isn't that business as usual?

    :smiley:
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,592
    I got the impression that the reporters weren't convinced.
    They are smelling something fishy.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,926
    edited April 2020
    pblakeney said:

    I got the impression that the reporters weren't convinced.
    They are smelling something fishy.


    I'd be more convinced and happier (if I were his doctor) if he saved his energies for recovering, rather than trying to run a highly stressful situation from his sickbed
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  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,299
    Frankie Boyle pretty much on it.

    https://theovertake.com/~beta/frankie-boyle-did-you-ever-wonder-what-youd-be-doing-during-an-apocalypse/?steady_tried_to_set_safari_fix_cookie=true
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    briantrumpet said:

    pblakeney said:

    I got the impression that the reporters weren't convinced.
    They are smelling something fishy.


    I'd be more convinced and happier (if I were his doctor) if he saved his energies for recovering, rather than trying to run a highly stressful situation from his sickbed
    Not sure taking it easy is a cure for pneumonia
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    pblakeney said:

    I got the impression that the reporters weren't convinced.
    They are smelling something fishy.


    Raab really does look like someone who has woken from a dream and it has become reality. Fluffed his lines when asked how BoJo can be fit enough to run the country but not fit enough to leave hospital.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,079
    Boris in intensive care according to Laura Kuenssberg
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,623
    Hmmm, who was the last PM to pass away whilst in office?
    Concerning.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,299
    It's almost as if we needed competent back up to the appointed PM in this time of crisis, rather than a bunch of lightweight sycophantic yes-people whose fitness for role criteria appear to be mainly centred on their ar5elicking capabilities.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Jesus Christ BoJo has been admitted to intensive care.
    _
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,471
    surrey_commuter said:

    pblakeney said:

    I got the impression that the reporters weren't convinced.
    They are smelling something fishy.


    Raab really does look like someone who has woken from a dream and it has become reality. Fluffed his lines when asked how BoJo can be fit enough to run the country but not fit enough to leave hospital.
    or have a photo taken
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  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,299
    Ai. Much as though I may detest BloJo's role in our society and his personal attributes, that's bad news.
  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    Dorset_Boy said:

    Hmmm, who was the last PM to pass away whilst in office?
    Concerning.

    I recall Blair having a heart op and putting John "right hook" Prescott in charge. But that was a planned op, flagged to the public (and Govt HoDs) in advance.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,183
    rick_chasey said:

    Jesus Christ BoJo has been admitted to intensive care.

    It;s
    rick_chasey said:

    Jesus Christ BoJo has been admitted to intensive care.

    Sh1t, it proves it was the right call to get him checked out yesterday. How are you feeling now Rick?
  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    Wish him all the best
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,926
    surrey_commuter said:

    briantrumpet said:

    pblakeney said:

    I got the impression that the reporters weren't convinced.
    They are smelling something fishy.


    I'd be more convinced and happier (if I were his doctor) if he saved his energies for recovering, rather than trying to run a highly stressful situation from his sickbed
    Not sure taking it easy is a cure for pneumonia

    Doing anything stressful when you're ill isn't going to make you better, for sure, even if rest doesn't cure you by itself. Anyway, events have rather overtaken my comment... maybe the upside might be that people who have thought that they can ignore all the advice/instruction might take the threat more seriously. I hope he pulls through, however much I dislike him for what he's done.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited April 2020
    focuszing723 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Jesus Christ BoJo has been admitted to intensive care.

    It;s
    rick_chasey said:

    Jesus Christ BoJo has been admitted to intensive care.

    censored , it proves it was the right call to get him checked out yesterday. How are you feeling now Rick?
    What do you mean how am I feeling now?

    Why are you singling next out?
    _
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,623
    Seemingly seven PMs have passed away whilst in office, the last being Lord Palmeston, who was 80 when he died.
    Let's hope there won't be an eighth.
  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    orraloon said:

    Frankie Boyle pretty much on it.

    https://theovertake.com/~beta/frankie-boyle-did-you-ever-wonder-what-youd-be-doing-during-an-apocalypse/?steady_tried_to_set_safari_fix_cookie=true

    Best thing I've read this year. Give him a News 24 slot straight after the daily news conference. And make Charlie Brooker the anchor for Newsnight.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,183
    edited April 2020
    rick_chasey said:

    focuszing723 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Jesus Christ BoJo has been admitted to intensive care.

    It;s
    rick_chasey said:

    Jesus Christ BoJo has been admitted to intensive care.

    censored , it proves it was the right call to get him checked out yesterday. How are you feeling now Rick?
    What do you mean how am I feeling now?

    Why are you singling next out?
    Apologies, I thought a couple of days ago you said you had symptoms. No malice in my question, just asking if your were alright?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Ah ok. I’m fine. Hyperchondriact no doubt.


    It’d be f@cking terrible if he dies.
    _
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,183
    rick_chasey said:

    Ah ok. I’m fine. Hyperchondriact no doubt.


    It’d be f@cking terrible if he dies.

    That's good.

    I must admit I thought it was just a precautionary checkup and he'd be straight out. At-least he will be forced to rest now allowing his immune system a chance to fight it.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,592
    surrey_commuter said:

    pblakeney said:

    I got the impression that the reporters weren't convinced.
    They are smelling something fishy.


    Raab really does look like someone who has woken from a dream and it has become reality. Fluffed his lines when asked how BoJo can be fit enough to run the country but not fit enough to leave hospital.
    Recents events possibly show why Raab wasn't in contact, or why he should have been.
    Also is this his biggest dream, and biggest nightmare all wrapped up in one?
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    focuszing723 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Ah ok. I’m fine. Hyperchondriact no doubt.


    It’d be f@cking terrible if he dies.

    That's good.

    I must admit I thought it was just a precautionary checkup and he'd be straight out. At-least he will be forced to rest now allowing his immune system a chance to fight it.
    You do know he is in intensive care, this is way past the getting a bit of rest stage. As previously discussed he has a one in five chance of being dead by this time next week.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,592
    focuszing723 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Ah ok. I’m fine. Hyperchondriact no doubt.


    It’d be f@cking terrible if he dies.

    That's good.

    I must admit I thought it was just a precautionary checkup and he'd be straight out. At-least he will be forced to rest now allowing his immune system a chance to fight it.
    I've been hospitalised for pneumonia in the past. It isn't a holiday.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,183
    edited April 2020
    pblakeney said:

    focuszing723 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Ah ok. I’m fine. Hyperchondriact no doubt.


    It’d be f@cking terrible if he dies.

    That's good.

    I must admit I thought it was just a precautionary checkup and he'd be straight out. At-least he will be forced to rest now allowing his immune system a chance to fight it.
    I've been hospitalised for pneumonia in the past. It isn't a holiday.
    Yeah, I know it's serious.

    It's reported that he's not on a ventilator at present, but it's there if required.

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