The big Coronavirus thread
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Just say you need them for video conferencing.rjsterry said:
If there is stuff that you need for work and you can get in and out while observing distancing, then that seems reasonable. Not sure headphones count as essential, though.TheBigBean said:
Not just the headphones, some work stuff. Plus the bike ride might be nice.focuszing723 said:
To get your headphones?TheBigBean said:Am I allowed to cycle to my office to grab some things? Seems low risk to me.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you find you get what you need!
I have to admit I find it odd when I go into other businesses and see people sat at their desks wearing headphones, I'm not sure they have a place in many business premises but that's for another thread!0 -
Headphones in offices are standard practice aren't they? A natural reaction to open plan offices.Pross said:
Just say you need them for video conferencing.rjsterry said:
If there is stuff that you need for work and you can get in and out while observing distancing, then that seems reasonable. Not sure headphones count as essential, though.TheBigBean said:
Not just the headphones, some work stuff. Plus the bike ride might be nice.focuszing723 said:
To get your headphones?TheBigBean said:Am I allowed to cycle to my office to grab some things? Seems low risk to me.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you find you get what you need!
I have to admit I find it odd when I go into other businesses and see people sat at their desks wearing headphones, I'm not sure they have a place in many business premises but that's for another thread!0 -
Not if I have a say in it, I've worked places before where staff wearing headphones were either not hearing incoming calls or choosing to ignore them. It was also really hard to get their attention at times when you wanted to speak to them about something. Maybe it's because I'm old though. I also have an issue going into offices where people are walking around in their socks!rick_chasey said:
Headphones in offices are standard practice aren't they? A natural reaction to open plan offices.Pross said:
Just say you need them for video conferencing.rjsterry said:
If there is stuff that you need for work and you can get in and out while observing distancing, then that seems reasonable. Not sure headphones count as essential, though.TheBigBean said:
Not just the headphones, some work stuff. Plus the bike ride might be nice.focuszing723 said:
To get your headphones?TheBigBean said:Am I allowed to cycle to my office to grab some things? Seems low risk to me.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you find you get what you need!
I have to admit I find it odd when I go into other businesses and see people sat at their desks wearing headphones, I'm not sure they have a place in many business premises but that's for another thread!0 -
Pross said:
Not if I have a say in it, I've worked places before where staff wearing headphones were either not hearing incoming calls or choosing to ignore them. It was also really hard to get their attention at times when you wanted to speak to them about something. Maybe it's because I'm old though. I also have an issue going into offices where people are walking around in their socks!rick_chasey said:
Headphones in offices are standard practice aren't they? A natural reaction to open plan offices.Pross said:
Just say you need them for video conferencing.rjsterry said:
If there is stuff that you need for work and you can get in and out while observing distancing, then that seems reasonable. Not sure headphones count as essential, though.TheBigBean said:
Not just the headphones, some work stuff. Plus the bike ride might be nice.focuszing723 said:
To get your headphones?TheBigBean said:Am I allowed to cycle to my office to grab some things? Seems low risk to me.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you find you get what you need!
I have to admit I find it odd when I go into other businesses and see people sat at their desks wearing headphones, I'm not sure they have a place in many business premises but that's for another thread!
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You'd hate mine!Pross said:
Not if I have a say in it, I've worked places before where staff wearing headphones were either not hearing incoming calls or choosing to ignore them. It was also really hard to get their attention at times when you wanted to speak to them about something. Maybe it's because I'm old though. I also have an issue going into offices where people are walking around in their socks!rick_chasey said:
Headphones in offices are standard practice aren't they? A natural reaction to open plan offices.Pross said:
Just say you need them for video conferencing.rjsterry said:
If there is stuff that you need for work and you can get in and out while observing distancing, then that seems reasonable. Not sure headphones count as essential, though.TheBigBean said:
Not just the headphones, some work stuff. Plus the bike ride might be nice.focuszing723 said:
To get your headphones?TheBigBean said:Am I allowed to cycle to my office to grab some things? Seems low risk to me.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you find you get what you need!
I have to admit I find it odd when I go into other businesses and see people sat at their desks wearing headphones, I'm not sure they have a place in many business premises but that's for another thread!
Headphones are code = do not disturb - pretend I am not here.0 -
I think you're working out exactly why people like headphones.Pross said:
Not if I have a say in it, I've worked places before where staff wearing headphones were either not hearing incoming calls or choosing to ignore them. It was also really hard to get their attention at times when you wanted to speak to them about something. Maybe it's because I'm old though. I also have an issue going into offices where people are walking around in their socks!rick_chasey said:
Headphones in offices are standard practice aren't they? A natural reaction to open plan offices.Pross said:
Just say you need them for video conferencing.rjsterry said:
If there is stuff that you need for work and you can get in and out while observing distancing, then that seems reasonable. Not sure headphones count as essential, though.TheBigBean said:
Not just the headphones, some work stuff. Plus the bike ride might be nice.focuszing723 said:
To get your headphones?TheBigBean said:Am I allowed to cycle to my office to grab some things? Seems low risk to me.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you find you get what you need!
I have to admit I find it odd when I go into other businesses and see people sat at their desks wearing headphones, I'm not sure they have a place in many business premises but that's for another thread!0 -
My desk phone hasn't rung in about 3 years. Not sure why it's even there.Pross said:
Not if I have a say in it, I've worked places before where staff wearing headphones were either not hearing incoming calls or choosing to ignore them. It was also really hard to get their attention at times when you wanted to speak to them about something. Maybe it's because I'm old though. I also have an issue going into offices where people are walking around in their socks!rick_chasey said:
Headphones in offices are standard practice aren't they? A natural reaction to open plan offices.Pross said:
Just say you need them for video conferencing.rjsterry said:
If there is stuff that you need for work and you can get in and out while observing distancing, then that seems reasonable. Not sure headphones count as essential, though.TheBigBean said:
Not just the headphones, some work stuff. Plus the bike ride might be nice.focuszing723 said:
To get your headphones?TheBigBean said:Am I allowed to cycle to my office to grab some things? Seems low risk to me.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you find you get what you need!
I have to admit I find it odd when I go into other businesses and see people sat at their desks wearing headphones, I'm not sure they have a place in many business premises but that's for another thread!
Literally all calls now done through Teams, through my bluetooth headphones.0 -
Maybe I'll try it when school is back onrick_chasey said:
I think you're working out exactly why people like headphones.Pross said:
Not if I have a say in it, I've worked places before where staff wearing headphones were either not hearing incoming calls or choosing to ignore them. It was also really hard to get their attention at times when you wanted to speak to them about something. Maybe it's because I'm old though. I also have an issue going into offices where people are walking around in their socks!rick_chasey said:
Headphones in offices are standard practice aren't they? A natural reaction to open plan offices.Pross said:
Just say you need them for video conferencing.rjsterry said:
If there is stuff that you need for work and you can get in and out while observing distancing, then that seems reasonable. Not sure headphones count as essential, though.TheBigBean said:
Not just the headphones, some work stuff. Plus the bike ride might be nice.focuszing723 said:
To get your headphones?TheBigBean said:Am I allowed to cycle to my office to grab some things? Seems low risk to me.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you find you get what you need!
I have to admit I find it odd when I go into other businesses and see people sat at their desks wearing headphones, I'm not sure they have a place in many business premises but that's for another thread!
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Need, essential etc. they are all strong words, but pass your judgement on this: I'm currently spending around five hours a day working whilst standing and carrying a baby, when I have a call it is quite convenient to be able to walk around to settle the baby and prevent baby noises on said call. I'm finding my new blue tooth headset doesn't cut it and prevents this. Therefore, I would like to pick up my fancy office phone complete with extremely comfortable highly portable headset. Judge away. Whole operation would not involve another human.rjsterry said:
If there is stuff that you need for work and you can get in and out while observing distancing, then that seems reasonable. Not sure headphones count as essential, though.TheBigBean said:
Not just the headphones, some work stuff. Plus the bike ride might be nice.focuszing723 said:
To get your headphones?TheBigBean said:Am I allowed to cycle to my office to grab some things? Seems low risk to me.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you find you get what you need!0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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TheBigBean said:
Not just the headphones, some work stuff. Plus the bike ride might be nice.focuszing723 said:
To get your headphones?TheBigBean said:Am I allowed to cycle to my office to grab some things? Seems low risk to me.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you find you get what you need!
Just label it as your exercise ride for the day. Just don't look like you're enjoying yourself and you'll be fine... 0 -
!!Devious!!briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
Not just the headphones, some work stuff. Plus the bike ride might be nice.focuszing723 said:
To get your headphones?TheBigBean said:Am I allowed to cycle to my office to grab some things? Seems low risk to me.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you find you get what you need!
Just label it as your exercise ride for the day. Just don't look like you're enjoying yourself and you'll be fine...0 -
Micheal Gove goes into self isolation now!0
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focuszing723 said:
'Stay Home Save Lives, Don't Be Devious!'
I'm working on the basis that if I can do my exercise ride and combine it with anything else that needs to be done, I'm doing my bit. It's better than doing things separately and going out of the house more. I'm certainly not looking for excuses to go out of the house for the sake of it, as I'm working on the basis that outside of my house is contaminated, and the fewer times I go out, the less likely it is that stuff inside my house (including me) will get contaminated.0 -
Greedy indeed. I would be surprised if there isn't clause in the Govt's help scheme that say this sort of thing is not allowed.Pross said:
Greedy bastards, their staff will be a main cost and will be getting paid by the government. A small retainer to keep the building operating and provide some income for the owner isn't unreasonable but 80% or even 40% is taking the pi$$. No food to provide, no electricity or heating costs and staff being paid by the Government - they'll be making more money from being closed that from being open whilst creating fear among their clients that they'll lose their kids places if they don't pay.TheBigBean said:Not sure it was this thread where nursery fees were discussed. Anyway, 80% seems common.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52184444
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Sometimes you need to focus on a task and shut everything else out, but there's definitely a loss, especially for more junior staff, in not being aware of what is going on around you.Pross said:
Not if I have a say in it, I've worked places before where staff wearing headphones were either not hearing incoming calls or choosing to ignore them. It was also really hard to get their attention at times when you wanted to speak to them about something. Maybe it's because I'm old though. I also have an issue going into offices where people are walking around in their socks!rick_chasey said:
Headphones in offices are standard practice aren't they? A natural reaction to open plan offices.Pross said:
Just say you need them for video conferencing.rjsterry said:
If there is stuff that you need for work and you can get in and out while observing distancing, then that seems reasonable. Not sure headphones count as essential, though.TheBigBean said:
Not just the headphones, some work stuff. Plus the bike ride might be nice.focuszing723 said:
To get your headphones?TheBigBean said:Am I allowed to cycle to my office to grab some things? Seems low risk to me.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you find you get what you need!
I have to admit I find it odd when I go into other businesses and see people sat at their desks wearing headphones, I'm not sure they have a place in many business premises but that's for another thread!1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Sounds fair enough to me if the headphones make your work measurably easier.TheBigBean said:
Need, essential etc. they are all strong words, but pass your judgement on this: I'm currently spending around five hours a day working whilst standing and carrying a baby, when I have a call it is quite convenient to be able to walk around to settle the baby and prevent baby noises on said call. I'm finding my new blue tooth headset doesn't cut it and prevents this. Therefore, I would like to pick up my fancy office phone complete with extremely comfortable highly portable headset. Judge away. Whole operation would not involve another human.rjsterry said:
If there is stuff that you need for work and you can get in and out while observing distancing, then that seems reasonable. Not sure headphones count as essential, though.TheBigBean said:
Not just the headphones, some work stuff. Plus the bike ride might be nice.focuszing723 said:
To get your headphones?TheBigBean said:Am I allowed to cycle to my office to grab some things? Seems low risk to me.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you find you get what you need!1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Our office cleaners have tried the same line.capt_slog said:
Greedy indeed. I would be surprised if there isn't clause in the Govt's help scheme that say this sort of thing is not allowed.Pross said:
Greedy bastards, their staff will be a main cost and will be getting paid by the government. A small retainer to keep the building operating and provide some income for the owner isn't unreasonable but 80% or even 40% is taking the pi$$. No food to provide, no electricity or heating costs and staff being paid by the Government - they'll be making more money from being closed that from being open whilst creating fear among their clients that they'll lose their kids places if they don't pay.TheBigBean said:Not sure it was this thread where nursery fees were discussed. Anyway, 80% seems common.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-521844441985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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My point was that it is nice to have someone else to test drive the return before we try.rick_chasey said:
I think everyone needs to recognise that lifting it without the majority having it or a vaccine the likelihood if having a lockdown lifted without returning to lockdown is low.pblakeney said:
That’s a handy reference point for lifting restrictions. A success, copy; a failure, don’t.tailwindhome said:
I don't think anyone really has a proper exit strategy once they start thinking about the challenges around a second wave.
I think there are behavioural challenges around asking people to return to lockdown after it is lifted too, so it's not as straightforward as people are making out.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Go for it Bean. Treat everyone like they might have a horrible virus and you'll be fine
(keep apart, try not to use your hands, if you talk to someone try to do it without looking at their face. If you pass someone, pass quickly)We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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It's going to be complex and there may not be a 'first mover' advantage here. Suspect countries will be watching each other on this as well as doing their own research.pblakeney said:
My point was that it is nice to have someone else to test drive the return before we try.rick_chasey said:
I think everyone needs to recognise that lifting it without the majority having it or a vaccine the likelihood if having a lockdown lifted without returning to lockdown is low.pblakeney said:
That’s a handy reference point for lifting restrictions. A success, copy; a failure, don’t.tailwindhome said:
I don't think anyone really has a proper exit strategy once they start thinking about the challenges around a second wave.
I think there are behavioural challenges around asking people to return to lockdown after it is lifted too, so it's not as straightforward as people are making out."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Paris has now banned jogging between 10am and 7pm. Not sure what that achieves, apart from forcing people to go out jogging in the morning or the evening rather than spread thought the day - and so more likely to come close to someone."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
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Useful article on antibody testing and the problems of statistics.
https://unherd.com/2020/04/how-far-away-are-immunity-passports/1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Don't do it Bean!ddraver said:Go for it Bean. Treat everyone like they might have a horrible virus and you'll be fine
(keep apart, try not to use your hands, if you talk to someone try to do it without looking at their face. If you pass someone, pass quickly)
What would happen if everybody decided they needed their headphones today? There
already seems to be BR headphone panic going down, it reminds me of bog roll fever!0 -
They showed the streets of Paris on Sunday and they were fairly crowded. Not crowded so much that there would have been that much transmission (if any), though, and certainly not crowded with joggers. The whole French handling of this crisis has been needlessly authoritarian and this move just seems spiteful. Another example, it's been a few times now that French ministers have said 'it'll take as long as it takes'. Compare that with the UK PM promising they'll regularly review the measures. I tell you who doesn't need to move around and visit hospitals, Emmanuel Macron. If it's good for French morale then I tell you what else is: going outside for a bit of exercise.Stevo_666 said:Paris has now banned jogging between 10am and 7pm. Not sure what that achieves, apart from forcing people to go out jogging in the morning or the evening rather than spread thought the day - and so more likely to come close to someone.
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France (and also Italy and Spain) seem to have gone down the authoritarian route. Is it just me, or does Macron fancy himself as some sort of Napoleon figure?nickice said:
They showed the streets of Paris on Sunday and they were fairly crowded. Not crowded so much that there would have been that much transmission (if any), though, and certainly not crowded with joggers. The whole French handling of this crisis has been needlessly authoritarian and this move just seems spiteful. Another example, it's been a few times now that French ministers have said 'it'll take as long as it takes'. Compare that with the UK PM promising they'll regularly review the measures. I tell you who doesn't need to move around and visit hospitals, Emmanuel Macron. If it's good for French morale then I tell you what else is: going outside for a bit of exercise.Stevo_666 said:Paris has now banned jogging between 10am and 7pm. Not sure what that achieves, apart from forcing people to go out jogging in the morning or the evening rather than spread thought the day - and so more likely to come close to someone.
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Stevo_666 said:
Paris has now banned jogging between 10am and 7pm. Not sure what that achieves, apart from forcing people to go out jogging in the morning or the evening rather than spread thought the day - and so more likely to come close to someone.
I'd guess it's an attempt to make it less appealing and dissuade those who are just using it as another excuse to get out... but yes, could well be counterproductive.0 -
I don't think you find your way to the top of any country without at least part of you wanting to rule the world. Some are just better at dressing it up as being 'for the people'.Stevo_666 said:
France (and also Italy and Spain) seem to have gone down the authoritarian route. Is it just me, or does Macron fancy himself as some sort of Napoleon figure?nickice said:
They showed the streets of Paris on Sunday and they were fairly crowded. Not crowded so much that there would have been that much transmission (if any), though, and certainly not crowded with joggers. The whole French handling of this crisis has been needlessly authoritarian and this move just seems spiteful. Another example, it's been a few times now that French ministers have said 'it'll take as long as it takes'. Compare that with the UK PM promising they'll regularly review the measures. I tell you who doesn't need to move around and visit hospitals, Emmanuel Macron. If it's good for French morale then I tell you what else is: going outside for a bit of exercise.Stevo_666 said:Paris has now banned jogging between 10am and 7pm. Not sure what that achieves, apart from forcing people to go out jogging in the morning or the evening rather than spread thought the day - and so more likely to come close to someone.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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True, but the countries I mentioned do seem to have taken a more dictatorial route compared to others (including the UK) where there is more of an element of trust, self-policing and getting public 'buy-in'.rjsterry said:
I don't think you find your way to the top of any country without at least part of you wanting to rule the world. Some are just better at dressing it up as being 'for the people'.Stevo_666 said:
France (and also Italy and Spain) seem to have gone down the authoritarian route. Is it just me, or does Macron fancy himself as some sort of Napoleon figure?nickice said:
They showed the streets of Paris on Sunday and they were fairly crowded. Not crowded so much that there would have been that much transmission (if any), though, and certainly not crowded with joggers. The whole French handling of this crisis has been needlessly authoritarian and this move just seems spiteful. Another example, it's been a few times now that French ministers have said 'it'll take as long as it takes'. Compare that with the UK PM promising they'll regularly review the measures. I tell you who doesn't need to move around and visit hospitals, Emmanuel Macron. If it's good for French morale then I tell you what else is: going outside for a bit of exercise.Stevo_666 said:Paris has now banned jogging between 10am and 7pm. Not sure what that achieves, apart from forcing people to go out jogging in the morning or the evening rather than spread thought the day - and so more likely to come close to someone.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
