The big Coronavirus thread
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You know they put you in a coma before putting you on a ventilator?focuszing723 said:
Yeah, I know it's serious.pblakeney said:
I've been hospitalised for pneumonia in the past. It isn't a holiday.focuszing723 said:
That's good.rick_chasey said:Ah ok. I’m fine. Hyperchondriact no doubt.
It’d be f@cking terrible if he dies.
I must admit I thought it was just a precautionary checkup and he'd be straight out. At-least he will be forced to rest now allowing his immune system a chance to fight it.
It's reported that he's not on a ventilator at present, but it's there if required.0 -
He's not the only MP to have been hospitalized today
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I know I don't know enough to speculate.
Anyway, all the best Johnson.0 -
Do they always do that? Is it so you're not fighting it for control of your breathing?surrey_commuter said:
You know they put you in a coma before putting you on a ventilator?focuszing723 said:
Yeah, I know it's serious.pblakeney said:
I've been hospitalised for pneumonia in the past. It isn't a holiday.focuszing723 said:
That's good.rick_chasey said:Ah ok. I’m fine. Hyperchondriact no doubt.
It’d be f@cking terrible if he dies.
I must admit I thought it was just a precautionary checkup and he'd be straight out. At-least he will be forced to rest now allowing his immune system a chance to fight it.
It's reported that he's not on a ventilator at present, but it's there if required.
Hope Boris pulls through.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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I read recently that it is so horrific you would not be able to cope.pangolin said:
Do they always do that? Is it so you're not fighting it for control of your breathing?surrey_commuter said:
You know they put you in a coma before putting you on a ventilator?focuszing723 said:
Yeah, I know it's serious.pblakeney said:
I've been hospitalised for pneumonia in the past. It isn't a holiday.focuszing723 said:
That's good.rick_chasey said:Ah ok. I’m fine. Hyperchondriact no doubt.
It’d be f@cking terrible if he dies.
I must admit I thought it was just a precautionary checkup and he'd be straight out. At-least he will be forced to rest now allowing his immune system a chance to fight it.
It's reported that he's not on a ventilator at present, but it's there if required.
Hope Boris pulls through.
He is not going to be rising like Jesus in a week’s time. I hope that the Tories have a better plan than throw the keys to Raab.0 -
Me too. You are sedated, yes. You can't really intubate someone without sedating them.pangolin said:
Do they always do that? Is it so you're not fighting it for control of your breathing?surrey_commuter said:
You know they put you in a coma before putting you on a ventilator?focuszing723 said:
Yeah, I know it's serious.pblakeney said:
I've been hospitalised for pneumonia in the past. It isn't a holiday.focuszing723 said:
That's good.rick_chasey said:Ah ok. I’m fine. Hyperchondriact no doubt.
It’d be f@cking terrible if he dies.
I must admit I thought it was just a precautionary checkup and he'd be straight out. At-least he will be forced to rest now allowing his immune system a chance to fight it.
It's reported that he's not on a ventilator at present, but it's there if required.
Hope Boris pulls through.
Rather eerily, just before I saw the news I was reading a Twitter thread about the evolution of our strategy from 'herd immunity' to lockdown. One tweet was a link to a video from earlier in March of Johnson bragging about having shaken hands with everyone at a hospital visit. 😬1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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surrey_commuter said:
I read recently that it is so horrific you would not be able to cope.pangolin said:
Do they always do that? Is it so you're not fighting it for control of your breathing?surrey_commuter said:
You know they put you in a coma before putting you on a ventilator?focuszing723 said:
Yeah, I know it's serious.pblakeney said:
I've been hospitalised for pneumonia in the past. It isn't a holiday.focuszing723 said:
That's good.rick_chasey said:Ah ok. I’m fine. Hyperchondriact no doubt.
It’d be f@cking terrible if he dies.
I must admit I thought it was just a precautionary checkup and he'd be straight out. At-least he will be forced to rest now allowing his immune system a chance to fight it.
It's reported that he's not on a ventilator at present, but it's there if required.
Hope Boris pulls through.
He is not going to be rising like Jesus in a week’s time. I hope that the Tories have a better plan than throw the keys to Raab.
There was a meme going round about CV19 with what looked at first glance something like a scythe... no, that's a tool for intubation. Ugh.
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There are a couple of steps in-between. Supplementary oxygen (with frequent spo2 measurements). Then a positive pressure mask - these are the things with a trip switch that deliver when you breathe in.
You don't want anyone you care about to be struggling that much to breathe though. Hard to watch.0 -
Pretty bleak news but this made me laugh.
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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(Ok, yeah I'm drunk - days of the week have ceased to have much meaning here)
So I understand I'm supposed to feel sorry for Johnson. Whilst I want to absolutely clear, I do not actively wish harm on anyone..., Johnson said 2 weeks ago that some people would not live as long as they might have because of this virus. However, that was ok because it was only our parents and grandparents, not his and 'cos economy'...
If his name had been Joris Bohnson and he was a 55-year-old shop worker, he would be forced to lie in the unavailable, underfunded bed that he and his party have made for any other 55-year-old shop workers with severe Covid-19.
Now, let's be honest, he is not in an NHS hospital, he is not queuing for a ventilator and you can be damn sure his nurses (unlike Ma Raver*) have every piece of PPE necessary and change it between treating him and any other mega-rich person in the uber-private hospital he is in. Boris is categorically not lying in the same bed he made as our poor shoppie, Joris
But apparently I am supposed to particularly feel sorry for Boris but not the 10's of thousands of Joris's that will die as a result of Boris and his party's actions and who were hitherto considered acceptable collateral damage (such as, perhaps, Grandpa Raver*)
Hmmm....
(no, I didnt vote labour, and I hope that Boris Johnson gets well exactly as much as I think the thousands of Joris Bohnsons get well...but no more.)
*insert your own family members here...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I think you may have made a few things up there. Maybe edit it in the morning once you've sobered up and re-read what you wrote.ddraver said:(Ok, yeah I'm drunk - days of the week have ceased to have much meaning here)
So I understand I'm supposed to feel sorry for Johnson. Whilst I want to absolutely clear, I do not actively wish harm on anyone..., Johnson said 2 weeks ago that some people would not live as long as they might have because of this virus. However, that was ok because it was only our parents and grandparents, not his and 'cos economy'...
If his name had been Joris Bohnson and he was a 55-year-old shop worker, he would be forced to lie in the unavailable, underfunded bed that he and his party have made for any other 55-year-old shop workers with severe Covid-19.
Now, let's be honest, he is not in an NHS hospital, he is not queuing for a ventilator and you can be damn sure his nurses (unlike Ma Raver*) have every piece of PPE necessary and change it between treating him and any other mega-rich person in the uber-private hospital he is in. Boris is categorically not lying in the same bed he made as our poor shoppie, Joris
But apparently I am supposed to particularly feel sorry for Boris but not the 10's of thousands of Joris's that will die as a result of Boris and his party's actions and who were hitherto considered acceptable collateral damage (such as, perhaps, Grandpa Raver*)
Hmmm....
(no, I didnt vote labour, and I hope that Boris Johnson gets well exactly as much as I think the thousands of Joris Bohnsons get well...but no more.)
*insert your own family members here...0 -
As a ProRace forumite Friend you are going to have to help me out there.
Once again I wish him an equally good recovery as I wish everyone (and apparently 2 New York tigers) with Covid 19 in the world. Just...not more than equalWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Well for starters he is in an NHS hospital (St Thomas), I'd be surprised if your Joris Bohnson wouldn't be getting the same treatment all things being equal, even my wife's 87 year old aunt would have had a ventilator had it not been for her having a DNR on file, whilst there may be some issues with PPE everything I've seen from ICU photos including the BBC report this evening where they were allowed into UCH shows the staff fully kitted out.0
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NZ health minister demoted after driving 20km to beach in lockdown.
Clark, who offered his resignation, sounded forlorn as he started a round of media calls this morning, saying he felt "like a complete d!ck to be honest".- Genesis Croix de Fer
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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Boris Johnson remained in intensive care on Tuesday after being taken to hospital as his coronavirus infection worsened.
There was no change in the prime minister’s condition overnight and that he had required oxygen to help him breathe but had not been placed on a ventilator, the BBC reported.
Michael Gove, Cabinet Office minister, told BBC Breakfast TV that if there was any change in Mr Johnson’s condition Downing Street would issue a statement.
https://www.ft.com/content/1f034247-fe4d-4ae8-8654-e91cf9bae373
The reality of the situation without the wild speculation.0 -
That’s a handy reference point for lifting restrictions. A success, copy; a failure, don’t.tailwindhome said:The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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It's going to be challenging to play the trumpet with a facemask on, if that were a precondition for allowing us to return to work...0
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Am I allowed to cycle to my office to grab some things? Seems low risk to me.0
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Not sure it was this thread where nursery fees were discussed. Anyway, 80% seems common.
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To get your headphones?TheBigBean said:Am I allowed to cycle to my office to grab some things? Seems low risk to me.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you find you get what you need!0 -
Not just the headphones, some work stuff. Plus the bike ride might be nice.focuszing723 said:
To get your headphones?TheBigBean said:Am I allowed to cycle to my office to grab some things? Seems low risk to me.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you find you get what you need!0 -
I think everyone needs to recognise that lifting it without the majority having it or a vaccine the likelihood if having a lockdown lifted without returning to lockdown is low.pblakeney said:
That’s a handy reference point for lifting restrictions. A success, copy; a failure, don’t.tailwindhome said:
I don't think anyone really has a proper exit strategy once they start thinking about the challenges around a second wave.
I think there are behavioural challenges around asking people to return to lockdown after it is lifted too, so it's not as straightforward as people are making out.0 -
https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2020/04/04/1586015208000/Imperial-s-Neil-Ferguson---We-don-t-have-a-clear-exit-strategy-/
An interview with Neil Ferguson. Includes discussion of the herd immunity strategy that 'never was' and how to get out of a lockdown. Free to read, but need to register.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Thought it might have been. I think it's completely reasonable that we are having to work this out as we go.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Greedy bastards, their staff will be a main cost and will be getting paid by the government. A small retainer to keep the building operating and provide some income for the owner isn't unreasonable but 80% or even 40% is taking the pi$$. No food to provide, no electricity or heating costs and staff being paid by the Government - they'll be making more money from being closed that from being open whilst creating fear among their clients that they'll lose their kids places if they don't pay.TheBigBean said:Not sure it was this thread where nursery fees were discussed. Anyway, 80% seems common.
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If there is stuff that you need for work and you can get in and out while observing distancing, then that seems reasonable. Not sure headphones count as essential, though.TheBigBean said:
Not just the headphones, some work stuff. Plus the bike ride might be nice.focuszing723 said:
To get your headphones?TheBigBean said:Am I allowed to cycle to my office to grab some things? Seems low risk to me.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you find you get what you need!1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Yes. It's akin to anything people do for the first time and why Countries like South Korea are more prepared.rjsterry said:Thought it might have been. I think it's completely reasonable that we are having to work this out as we go.
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