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  • capt_slog
    capt_slog Posts: 3,974
    bompington said:

    So here in Scotland, the CMO is in a bit of trouble for heading to her holiday home at the weekends...
    Shame, 'cos she's competent and human, but it's hard to justify isn't it. Might be hard for her job to survive as there are a lot of people looking for someone to rage at.

    If she was that competent, she wouldn't have done it.


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  • coopster_the_1st
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    bompington said:

    So here in Scotland, the CMO is in a bit of trouble for heading to her holiday home at the weekends...
    Shame, 'cos she's competent and human, but it's hard to justify isn't it. Might be hard for her job to survive as there are a lot of people looking for someone to rage at.

    Complete hypocrisy when people are being vilified for going to the park from their flat with no garden or balcony.

    To me it says it is safe to do many things that the lockdown is preventing us from doing otherwise she would not be doing it
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    ummm...kay 🤨
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  • tailwindhome
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    coopster_the_1st said:

    ddraver said:

    I don't see any other end to the lockdown that's not an antibody test...

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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,582
    edited April 2020
    Well sure, but we did all see it. Anyone is free to reply as well if they feel so inclined. My sense of humour is wearing a bit thin today as I now have a young family member in ICU. Thankfully not on a ventilator🤞🏻.
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  • rjsterry
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    coopster_the_1st said:

    bompington said:

    So here in Scotland, the CMO is in a bit of trouble for heading to her holiday home at the weekends...
    Shame, 'cos she's competent and human, but it's hard to justify isn't it. Might be hard for her job to survive as there are a lot of people looking for someone to rage at.

    Complete hypocrisy when people are being vilified for going to the park from their flat with no garden or balcony.

    To me it says it is safe to do many things that the lockdown is preventing us from doing otherwise she would not be doing it
    Or just that even people who should know better occasionally make stupid decisions.
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  • Jeremy.89
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    capt_slog said:

    bompington said:

    So here in Scotland, the CMO is in a bit of trouble for heading to her holiday home at the weekends...
    Shame, 'cos she's competent and human, but it's hard to justify isn't it. Might be hard for her job to survive as there are a lot of people looking for someone to rage at.

    If she was that competent, she wouldn't have done it.
    She should resign, but that's not the done thing in the modern world.
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    Jeremy.89 said:

    capt_slog said:

    bompington said:

    So here in Scotland, the CMO is in a bit of trouble for heading to her holiday home at the weekends...
    Shame, 'cos she's competent and human, but it's hard to justify isn't it. Might be hard for her job to survive as there are a lot of people looking for someone to rage at.

    If she was that competent, she wouldn't have done it.
    She should resign, but that's not the done thing in the modern world.
    Detour from the original point but there's an intriguing thing here. My perception is that these days the howls for resignation are quicker and louder than they used to be; yours clearly isn't. It occurs to me that I have no idea which one of us is right.
  • coopster_the_1st
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    rjsterry said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    bompington said:

    So here in Scotland, the CMO is in a bit of trouble for heading to her holiday home at the weekends...
    Shame, 'cos she's competent and human, but it's hard to justify isn't it. Might be hard for her job to survive as there are a lot of people looking for someone to rage at.

    Complete hypocrisy when people are being vilified for going to the park from their flat with no garden or balcony.

    To me it says it is safe to do many things that the lockdown is preventing us from doing otherwise she would not be doing it
    Or just that even people who should know better occasionally make stupid decisions.
    Does going two weekends in a row mean it is no longer an occasional stupid decision?
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,582
    edited April 2020
    It seems difficult for her to justify. I think it's a mistake to read more into it though. Maybe it's just a variant of the arguments seen elsewhere that what *they* want to do creates no additional risk.
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  • coopster_the_1st
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    rjsterry said:

    It seems difficult for her to justify. I think it's a mistake to read more into it though. Maybe it's just a variant of the arguments seen elsewhere that what *they* want to do creates no additional risk.

    Does it make a difference that it was her own advice and this was the advice she was telling the Scots they had to follow?
  • Jeremy.89
    Jeremy.89 Posts: 457
    bompington said:

    Jeremy.89 said:

    capt_slog said:

    bompington said:

    So here in Scotland, the CMO is in a bit of trouble for heading to her holiday home at the weekends...
    Shame, 'cos she's competent and human, but it's hard to justify isn't it. Might be hard for her job to survive as there are a lot of people looking for someone to rage at.

    If she was that competent, she wouldn't have done it.
    She should resign, but that's not the done thing in the modern world.
    Detour from the original point but there's an intriguing thing here. My perception is that these days the howls for resignation are quicker and louder than they used to be; yours clearly isn't. It occurs to me that I have no idea which one of us is right.
    I feel like the howls are louder, but it seems more possible to ride them out. I can think of examples where both Boris Johnson and Chris Grayling acted in a way which would be result in automatic resignations a few years ago, but both continued unimpeded. Johnson may be an exception to the usual rules, but Grayling is anything but exceptional in almost every sense.

    Honestly if you are going to give advice at the top level and then not follow it, you have no integrity and don't deserve the job. It's not like there's a blurred line on this, the Scottish government b***ed about second homes, and then the CMO goes and does exactly what you are not meant to do...
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,582
    coopster_the_1st said:

    rjsterry said:

    It seems difficult for her to justify. I think it's a mistake to read more into it though. Maybe it's just a variant of the arguments seen elsewhere that what *they* want to do creates no additional risk.

    Does it make a difference that it was her own advice and this was the advice she was telling the Scots they had to follow?
    Don't think so. There are plenty of examples of things that are not a problem for one or two people to do, but a major issue if everyone does it. Doesn't make it any more acceptable to break the rules.
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  • nickice
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    bompington said:

    So here in Scotland, the CMO is in a bit of trouble for heading to her holiday home at the weekends...
    Shame, 'cos she's competent and human, but it's hard to justify isn't it. Might be hard for her job to survive as there are a lot of people looking for someone to rage at.

    I don't much care about the visits if she wasn't mixing with anyone else, but what I found incredible is the fact that a person who's on TV all the time in Scotland at the moment thought she could do this without people grassing her up either to the police or the media.
  • nickice
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    ddraver said:

    nickice said:

    I was out for a walk yesterday in France and I noticed far more people are starting to chance it when it comes to cycling. To be fair, it is a stupid rule which isn't based on any real evidence. The most annoying thing is that if I lived just across the border I'd be able to cycle for leisure. It's encouraged in Belgium (and Germany).

    Had a ZOOM party with some of my colleagues in Chamonix & Morzine and I wondered for a while why they were all hitting the bottle quite so hard until I remembered that they can hardly even go outside. The poor guys without balconies...

    Praise Jebus we're not locked down so much in Switzerland and Gawd bless the Swiss for being good boys that follow rules about staying apart so we don't have to.

    On another note, none of them think they've caught it or know anyone that has. Everyone in Verbier thinks they've had it now...
    ddraver said:

    nickice said:

    I was out for a walk yesterday in France and I noticed far more people are starting to chance it when it comes to cycling. To be fair, it is a stupid rule which isn't based on any real evidence. The most annoying thing is that if I lived just across the border I'd be able to cycle for leisure. It's encouraged in Belgium (and Germany).

    Had a ZOOM party with some of my colleagues in Chamonix & Morzine and I wondered for a while why they were all hitting the bottle quite so hard until I remembered that they can hardly even go outside. The poor guys without balconies...

    Praise Jebus we're not locked down so much in Switzerland and Gawd bless the Swiss for being good boys that follow rules about staying apart so we don't have to.

    On another note, none of them think they've caught it or know anyone that has. Everyone in Verbier thinks they've had it now...

    Laws made in Paris because of the behaviour of some people from Paris...I live next to a canal that connects up to the Roubaix Canal. It's never particularly busy (especially not near my house) but they've closed the whole network because people might congregate there which I have never seen and I've been as far as Belgium several times. Of course, closing it consists of putting barriers across it so it's hardly going to stop people determined to break the rules.
  • focuszing723
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    Matt Hancock dodging whether he'd been staying between homes there?
  • briantrumpet
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    rjsterry said:

    Well sure, but we did all see it. Anyone is free to reply as well if they feel so inclined. My sense of humour is wearing a bit thin today as I now have a young family member in ICU. Thankfully not on a ventilator🤞🏻.


    Sorry to hear that, RJS. Hope the prognosis is good. Fingers crossed.
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  • tailwindhome
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    Interesting on George W Bush's insistence that the US start preparing for pandemic in 2005

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  • Stevo_666
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    rjsterry said:

    Well sure, but we did all see it. Anyone is free to reply as well if they feel so inclined. My sense of humour is wearing a bit thin today as I now have a young family member in ICU. Thankfully not on a ventilator🤞🏻.

    Sorry to hear that RJS, hope they recover quickly.
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  • focuszing723
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    briantrumpet said:

    rjsterry said:

    Well sure, but we did all see it. Anyone is free to reply as well if they feel so inclined. My sense of humour is wearing a bit thin today as I now have a young family member in ICU. Thankfully not on a ventilator🤞🏻.


    Sorry to hear that, RJS. Hope the prognosis is good. Fingers crossed.
    Yes, all the best RJS. As you said a good sign they don't require a ventilator.
  • DeVlaeminck
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    capt_slog said:

    bompington said:

    So here in Scotland, the CMO is in a bit of trouble for heading to her holiday home at the weekends...
    Shame, 'cos she's competent and human, but it's hard to justify isn't it. Might be hard for her job to survive as there are a lot of people looking for someone to rage at.

    If she was that competent, she wouldn't have done it.
    I find it hard to criticise what she did other than on the grounds of hypocrisy. I'm assuming she's driven from one house to another without her and her family getting out and hugging people en route.
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  • focuszing723
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    DeVlaeminck said:

    capt_slog said:

    bompington said:

    So here in Scotland, the CMO is in a bit of trouble for heading to her holiday home at the weekends...
    Shame, 'cos she's competent and human, but it's hard to justify isn't it. Might be hard for her job to survive as there are a lot of people looking for someone to rage at.

    If she was that competent, she wouldn't have done it.
    I find it hard to criticise what she did other than on the grounds of hypocrisy. I'm assuming she's driven from one house to another without her and her family getting out and hugging people en route.
    She would still have to fill up her car, get food from the local supermarket and as we know MP's and advisers aren't exactly locked down, having to give press conferences.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    In Matt Hancock's defence about visiting a second home, he is immune now.
  • kingstongraham
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    coopster_the_1st said:



    If you took pure medical advice on this, we would lock down until there is a vaccine as their aim is to stop people dying.

    If you took the view of a pure capitalist we would not lock down.


    I think that means it's a pragmatic approach.
  • nickice
    nickice Posts: 2,439
    DeVlaeminck said:

    capt_slog said:

    bompington said:

    So here in Scotland, the CMO is in a bit of trouble for heading to her holiday home at the weekends...
    Shame, 'cos she's competent and human, but it's hard to justify isn't it. Might be hard for her job to survive as there are a lot of people looking for someone to rage at.

    If she was that competent, she wouldn't have done it.
    I find it hard to criticise what she did other than on the grounds of hypocrisy. I'm assuming she's driven from one house to another without her and her family getting out and hugging people en route.
    She's probably of the same view as most sensible people that although it might be breaking the rules (though there don't seem to be any rules as such) it wasn't a risk to anyone else. Like you say, she's the Chief Medical Officer, though.
  • rjsterry
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    focuszing723 said:

    briantrumpet said:

    rjsterry said:

    Well sure, but we did all see it. Anyone is free to reply as well if they feel so inclined. My sense of humour is wearing a bit thin today as I now have a young family member in ICU. Thankfully not on a ventilator🤞🏻.


    Sorry to hear that, RJS. Hope the prognosis is good. Fingers crossed.
    Yes, all the best RJS. As you said a good sign they don't require a ventilator.
    Thanks all. Appreciate it.
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  • pblakeney
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    nickice said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    capt_slog said:

    bompington said:

    So here in Scotland, the CMO is in a bit of trouble for heading to her holiday home at the weekends...
    Shame, 'cos she's competent and human, but it's hard to justify isn't it. Might be hard for her job to survive as there are a lot of people looking for someone to rage at.

    If she was that competent, she wouldn't have done it.
    I find it hard to criticise what she did other than on the grounds of hypocrisy. I'm assuming she's driven from one house to another without her and her family getting out and hugging people en route.
    She's probably of the same view as most sensible people that although it might be breaking the rules (though there don't seem to be any rules as such) it wasn't a risk to anyone else. Like you say, she's the Chief Medical Officer, though.
    Similarly, anyone here cycle more than the recommended 1 hour today?
    I know that I did. The shame.

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  • nickice
    nickice Posts: 2,439
    edited April 2020
    pblakeney said:

    nickice said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    capt_slog said:

    bompington said:

    So here in Scotland, the CMO is in a bit of trouble for heading to her holiday home at the weekends...
    Shame, 'cos she's competent and human, but it's hard to justify isn't it. Might be hard for her job to survive as there are a lot of people looking for someone to rage at.

    If she was that competent, she wouldn't have done it.
    I find it hard to criticise what she did other than on the grounds of hypocrisy. I'm assuming she's driven from one house to another without her and her family getting out and hugging people en route.
    She's probably of the same view as most sensible people that although it might be breaking the rules (though there don't seem to be any rules as such) it wasn't a risk to anyone else. Like you say, she's the Chief Medical Officer, though.
    Similarly, anyone here cycle more than the recommended 1 hour today?
    I know that I did. The shame.

    I went further than the 1km limit and doctored my form so that I could stay out later than an hour. This is turning me into a rebel...What I wouldn't give to be able to cycle for an hour.

  • diplodicus
    diplodicus Posts: 722
    edited April 2020
    pblakeney said:

    nickice said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    capt_slog said:

    bompington said:

    So here in Scotland, the CMO is in a bit of trouble for heading to her holiday home at the weekends...
    Shame, 'cos she's competent and human, but it's hard to justify isn't it. Might be hard for her job to survive as there are a lot of people looking for someone to rage at.

    If she was that competent, she wouldn't have done it.
    I find it hard to criticise what she did other than on the grounds of hypocrisy. I'm assuming she's driven from one house to another without her and her family getting out and hugging people en route.
    She's probably of the same view as most sensible people that although it might be breaking the rules (though there don't seem to be any rules as such) it wasn't a risk to anyone else. Like you say, she's the Chief Medical Officer, though.
    Similarly, anyone here cycle more than the recommended 1 hour today?
    I know that I did. The shame.

    Where are you getting this "recommendation" from?
  • kingstongraham
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    coopster_the_1st said:

    rick_chasey said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Jeremy.89 said:

    SJWs are basically an American phenomenon in the first place right? In the UK actual hardcore SJWs are a fringe that largely make the Labour Party look unelectable and a bit stupid on twitter.

    Pretty close, but you can add a large number of Lib Dums as well.

    The group is mostly made up of people who have safe jobs and gold plated pensions eg teachers, University professors, etc and they get a much higher proportion of media coverage.

    Your electician from glossop, taxi driver from Reading or corner shop owner of 40 years from Ipswich does not get anywhere near the same represensation in our media.

    Yet the latter are the lifeblood of this country and the former live a comfortable life of them

    I think it is fair to say you don’t need to persuade us that you are not a university professor.
    Yet you on a daily basis keep demonstrating what a tw@t you are
    Have the civility police logged off?

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