Scot Indy Ref #2
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Quite so.Stevo_666 said:
Like in Europe...kingstongraham said:Only if you don't distinguish between the states, which can have different laws, standards and taxes.
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Great. So why are you referring to everyone born on one side of an arbitrary line as "you lot"? That sounds a lot like you think there is some meaningful difference between us. If you are complaining that the UK government doesn't represent your views, 1. Join the club and 2. that's a bit rich when the Scots Nats have a number of seats out of all proportion to the number of votes they received.aberdeen_lune said:Nothing I don’t believe in racial superiority.
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You know an easy way to resolve that is to have all the Scottish in their own parliament!
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How can you identify if someone is Scottish?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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We have red hair in our beards and we like Irn Bru 🤪0
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I'm not Scottish but I live here, I have a red beard, not hugely keen in Bru though. I must be a half breedaberdeen_lune said:We have red hair in our beards and we like Irn Bru 🤪
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It's fairly easy in parliament, every time one of them gets up to speak they are shouted down by the tories!rjsterry said:How can you identify if someone is Scottish?
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Well that can't be right. Michael Gove - Scottish.
Liam Fox - Scottish.
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That was too easy eh? However I'm sure you knew what I was referring to.0
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You've already got one.twotoebenny said:You know an easy way to resolve that is to have all the Scottish in their own parliament!
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Both of them Scottish yes but never elected in Scotland. We wouldn’t vote for them.rjsterry said:Well that can't be right. Michael Gove - Scottish.
Liam Fox - Scottish.
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They've got two: Holyrood and Westminster.Stevo_666 said:
You've already got one.twotoebenny said:You know an easy way to resolve that is to have all the Scottish in their own parliament!
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We only need one and let’s make it sovereign no need for any Scottish MPs in Westminster no West Lothian question issues everyone’s happy. All we need is a legitimate referendum go with the majority. The last one conned a lot of people this one should be open and honest.rjsterry said:
They've got two: Holyrood and Westminster.Stevo_666 said:
You've already got one.twotoebenny said:You know an easy way to resolve that is to have all the Scottish in their own parliament!
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You'd think that by now people would have learnt that referendums are a terrible way to get stuff done. Good luck wishing for an openness and honesty. True the idea that you should stay in the Union to stay in the other Union turned out to be a false prospectus, but there is no way that Spain would let you join the EU as a recently seceded nation.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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So the six Tory seats are what exactly? Are you saying that those voters aren't Scottish?aberdeen_lune said:
Both of them Scottish yes but never elected in Scotland. We wouldn’t vote for them.rjsterry said:Well that can't be right. Michael Gove - Scottish.
Liam Fox - Scottish.
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Yes the six Tory seats not good. Andrew Bowie what an embarrassment local to me too. Not to mention the Moray chap. Still it’s a democracy. But 6 is such a minority. Anyway at least in Scotland the Tory MPs are mostly in well off areas. In Engerland a lot of the Tory voters were folk on benefits, WTF!!!0
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The bit in bold. And the SNP are such a minority at Westminster. Changing the boundaries so that they can be a majority doesn't sound very democratic, not least for the half of Scottish voters who didn't vote for them at the last GE.aberdeen_lune said:Yes the six Tory seats not good. Andrew Bowie what an embarrassment local to me too. Not to mention the Moray chap. Still it’s a democracy. But 6 is such a minority. Anyway at least in Scotland the Tory MPs are mostly in well off areas. In Engerland a lot of the Tory voters were folk on benefits, WTF!!!
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Thought it was the Tories that we’re planning on changing boundaries.
Anyway so what your saying is so what if Scotland keeps voting for the SNP, England will decide who the government is for evermore and that’s democracy. Asking for an independence referendum is undemocratic? How dare we!!!!0 -
The Conservative party only got a 43.6% share of the vote in the last GE so I guess that is just how democracy works.rjsterry said:
The bit in bold. And the SNP are such a minority at Westminster. Changing the boundaries so that they can be a majority doesn't sound very democratic, not least for the half of Scottish voters who didn't vote for them at the last GE.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
No, the way to get a referendum is to elect a party at Westminster that will offer one. That's how you got the Scottish Parliament. Until the SNP stand candidates in England and Wales, it might be worth considering other options.aberdeen_lune said:Thought it was the Tories that we’re planning on changing boundaries.
Anyway so what your saying is so what if Scotland keeps voting for the SNP, England will decide who the government is for evermore and that’s democracy. Asking for an independence referendum is undemocratic? How dare we!!!!1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Nobody is saying you can't ask for one, the point is that you had one and your side lost. Be honest, if there was another indi ref tomorrow and you lost again you wouldn't shut up would you?aberdeen_lune said:Thought it was the Tories that we’re planning on changing boundaries.
Anyway so what your saying is so what if Scotland keeps voting for the SNP, England will decide who the government is for evermore and that’s democracy. Asking for an independence referendum is undemocratic? How dare we!!!!0 -
Well it's how FPTP works. Not enough people agreed that we should change it when we had the opportunity so we're stuck with it until a party offering an alternative wins power under the current system.pblakeney said:
The Conservative party only got a 43.6% share of the vote in the last GE so I guess that is just how democracy works.rjsterry said:
The bit in bold. And the SNP are such a minority at Westminster. Changing the boundaries so that they can be a majority doesn't sound very democratic, not least for the half of Scottish voters who didn't vote for them at the last GE.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Exactly, that’s how it works for us. Currently.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
So the only way we can have a referendum is if the majority of voters in England vote for it?rjsterry said:
No, the way to get a referendum is to elect a party at Westminster that will offer one. That's how you got the Scottish Parliament. Until the SNP stand candidates in England and Wales, it might be worth considering other options.aberdeen_lune said:Thought it was the Tories that we’re planning on changing boundaries.
Anyway so what your saying is so what if Scotland keeps voting for the SNP, England will decide who the government is for evermore and that’s democracy. Asking for an independence referendum is undemocratic? How dare we!!!!
Does that mean we are a vassal state? We have no say on our future.0 -
Keep up with the thread please. Yes we had a referendum five years ago based on the lie that the only way to stay in Europe was to vote no to independence. There’s been a major change since then. The Scottish Parliament have voted for a referendum we should be able to have a referendum.shortfall said:
Nobody is saying you can't ask for one, the point is that you had one and your side lost. Be honest, if there was another indi ref tomorrow and you lost again you wouldn't shut up would you?aberdeen_lune said:Thought it was the Tories that we’re planning on changing boundaries.
Anyway so what your saying is so what if Scotland keeps voting for the SNP, England will decide who the government is for evermore and that’s democracy. Asking for an independence referendum is undemocratic? How dare we!!!!0 -
Yes and if you lose the next one you still won't shut up. If on the other hand you won it.........0
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Maybe the SNP should show they can make a decent fist of running the Scotland, which is I guess what they were elected to do - rather than just moaning about independence all the time. A quick Google of the SNP record to date isn't very good at all - especially when taking into account the extra funding it gets from England.aberdeen_lune said:
So the only way we can have a referendum is if the majority of voters in England vote for it?rjsterry said:
No, the way to get a referendum is to elect a party at Westminster that will offer one. That's how you got the Scottish Parliament. Until the SNP stand candidates in England and Wales, it might be worth considering other options.aberdeen_lune said:Thought it was the Tories that we’re planning on changing boundaries.
Anyway so what your saying is so what if Scotland keeps voting for the SNP, England will decide who the government is for evermore and that’s democracy. Asking for an independence referendum is undemocratic? How dare we!!!!
Does that mean we are a vassal state? We have no say on our future.
For example:
https://buzzfeed.com/jamieross/heres-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-snps-9-years-run"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
So now we are too stupid to govern ourselves. I think Mark Renton had a point.0
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I didn't say that, you did...aberdeen_lune said:So now we are too stupid to govern ourselves. I think Mark Renton had a point.
Maybe you just have the wrong party in charge?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Bluntly, yes. Although specifically you need a majority of seats at Westminster. Same as any other policy you want enacted. The SNP didn't establish the Scottish Parliament. You have exactly the same say in your future as everyone else.aberdeen_lune said:
So the only way we can have a referendum is if the majority of voters in England vote for it?rjsterry said:
No, the way to get a referendum is to elect a party at Westminster that will offer one. That's how you got the Scottish Parliament. Until the SNP stand candidates in England and Wales, it might be worth considering other options.aberdeen_lune said:Thought it was the Tories that we’re planning on changing boundaries.
Anyway so what your saying is so what if Scotland keeps voting for the SNP, England will decide who the government is for evermore and that’s democracy. Asking for an independence referendum is undemocratic? How dare we!!!!
Does that mean we are a vassal state? We have no say on our future.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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