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You feel you're being hammered in a way that hasn't increased costs in the last 10 years?john80 said:
In that ten years have my costs got worse? I don't think they have. I will take my personal share of blame for global warming but I am afraid I can't accept any responsibility for the quality of air in central London.pangolin said:
Leaving aside your disastrous understanding of how pollution works, you are describing the status quo when your party has been in power for a decade. But have somehow convinced yourself the "metro libs" are to blame.john80 said:
I pay for public transport through general taxation I can't use. I then get taxed higher because I have a fuel efficient diesel that also emits particulate into the countryside with nobody there to breath it. All because city dwellers have a problem with their fellow city dwellers behaviour. Where is my rebate for living in a rural with no services😃pangolin said:
How do you get hammered?john80 said:
If we take a single example of transport. I lIve in an area that has little to no public transport yet I get hammered for having a car. Labour have no answer to this as their base is in cities where my vehicle is seen as a luxury. If labour got elected they would continue to hammer private vehicle owners through their city focussed eyes as they see it as a luxury not a necessity. On this basis a lot of people choose the Tory's as whilst they may have similar views they tend to be more accommodating of the countryside where this is an issue.rick_chasey said:
lol. Do you honestly believe that? "Dictate"?Dorset_Boy said:
It's not arrogant at all. It tends to be the metro libs trying to tell everyone else how to lead their lives and dictate what is right and wrong.rick_chasey said:
This stuff is so arrogant.Dorset_Boy said:
The 'liberal metro' view point clearly is massively out of touch outside the major cities.
It's a difference of politics and priorities.
By the logic you say I could quite easily say " "the parochial regional" view point is massively out of touch in every major UK city". That is as stupid as your statement.
It's not some inverse snobbery "I am in touch and you're not" point.
People have different political persuasions and priorities and they tend to group together where they live.
I guess if you have your phantom enemy in your mind it's easier to justify the rest.
This is one small example of where Labour don't appeal to me and hence won't get my vote. The could always change the system of taxation to reflect this but instead the moan about air pollution in cities when it has absolutely nothing to do with me.
So you ask why did they get hammered and it is tens of these reasons added up together and a lack of vision that holds them back. When Kier stands their as a well educated lawyer do you really think he appeals to the people of Hartlepool anymore than Boris on a personal level.
I agree, it is an astounding feat the conservatives have achieved in convincing people to buy into this kind of thinking.0 -
Far from it. He's showing how he used the electorate and Labour's focus on the 'woke twitterati' to decimate Labour and how the Tories continue to do it by reacting to the what people actually think rather than what the media think / want people to think.kingstongraham said:
He may have some valid points, but what exactly does he think he's won, and for what purpose?rick_chasey said:
Is he just waking up and realising he got used?
It's a good read. Cummings to me comes across as more of a strategist than someone who cares which way the election could swing.1 -
Not to attack what is a good point but, can’t that be more simply stated as populist.shirley_basso said:
Far from it. He's showing how he used the electorate and Labour's focus on the 'woke twitterati' to decimate Labour and how the Tories continue to do it by reacting to the what people actually think rather than what the media think / want people to think.kingstongraham said:
He may have some valid points, but what exactly does he think he's won, and for what purpose?rick_chasey said:
Is he just waking up and realising he got used?
It's a good read. Cummings to me comes across as more of a strategist than someone who cares which way the election could swing.
They’re offering simple solutions to complex problems and blaming others for all the worlds ills.
Scary that it works so well but it’s not exactly revolutionary.0 -
I think that Cummings greatest skill is to cut through the shite and spot the key issues, he then makes it look complicated to make himself look clever.morstar said:
Not to attack what is a good point but, can’t that be more simply stated as populist.shirley_basso said:
Far from it. He's showing how he used the electorate and Labour's focus on the 'woke twitterati' to decimate Labour and how the Tories continue to do it by reacting to the what people actually think rather than what the media think / want people to think.kingstongraham said:
He may have some valid points, but what exactly does he think he's won, and for what purpose?rick_chasey said:
Is he just waking up and realising he got used?
It's a good read. Cummings to me comes across as more of a strategist than someone who cares which way the election could swing.
They’re offering simple solutions to complex problems and blaming others for all the worlds ills.
Scary that it works so well but it’s not exactly revolutionary.0 -
He says "We have a No10 & Opposition who see their job as Media Entertainment Service & neither knows how to be this better than TB/Mandy. Neither will try to be… a government"shirley_basso said:
Far from it. He's showing how he used the electorate and Labour's focus on the 'woke twitterati' to decimate Labour and how the Tories continue to do it by reacting to the what people actually think rather than what the media think / want people to think.kingstongraham said:
He may have some valid points, but what exactly does he think he's won, and for what purpose?rick_chasey said:
Is he just waking up and realising he got used?
It's a good read. Cummings to me comes across as more of a strategist than someone who cares which way the election could swing.
It's difficult to decipher, but he's having a go at both sides, I think.0 -
Funny, I also look at what party is most likely to act in my best interests and oddly I always come up with the same answer.rick_chasey said:
Stevo, I will always vote for parties who most closely reflect my political priorities, and not treat politics like a football team.Stevo_666 said:
Unfortunately for the Lib Dems, they came 7th behind at least one party I've never even heard of, polling a massive 349 votes. Time to give up?
I appreciate you don't, and that's fine - entirely up to you. It leads to some contradictory statements as the party flip-flops but everyone needs party loyalists. The communist regimes were built on them!
I hate a fairly multi-coloured vote yesterday in the 4 contests I voted in.
Yellow, Green and occasional red.
I am not as tribal about this as you make out. I have no personal capital in the LDs. I am not in agreement with quite a few on their most recent policies and I ponder why they put their efforts where they are - very fringe, divisive topics.
Obviously I would like more people to vote the way I do as that would mean governance that is closer to how I would like things run, but that doesn't factor in who I vote for.
As for diversity in voting, well I gave my second mayoral vote a non-Tory...
However your tribalism seems to come in the form of your knee jerk, unthinking hatred of the tories. That dislike is never very far from the surface in the threads on here. Maybe that's a reverse form of tribalism but you seem to have a clear enemy."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Not to state the obvious, but these are subtly different.Stevo_666 said:
Funny, I also look at what party is most likely to act in my best interestsrick_chasey said:I will always vote for parties who most closely reflect my political priorities
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Even if you have now repaid the cost of all the schools, being born and spending a good week in hospital, child benefit your parents received etc. then you need to start getting into credit to fund your retirement costs. Unfortunately, you won't know how much they will be in advance.kingstongraham said:
If that was the calculation, I've reckon I've paid that off a long time ago. How much does a university course cost?TheBigBean said:
To repay your debt for the education you received.kingstongraham said:I pay shitloads to educate other people's kids.
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I think he's an intresting character. But him having a go at pundits for revisionism makes me laugh when he got caught out editing his blog to try and look like a super forecaster.surrey_commuter said:
I think that Cummings greatest skill is to cut through the shite and spot the key issues, he then makes it look complicated to make himself look clever.morstar said:
Not to attack what is a good point but, can’t that be more simply stated as populist.shirley_basso said:
Far from it. He's showing how he used the electorate and Labour's focus on the 'woke twitterati' to decimate Labour and how the Tories continue to do it by reacting to the what people actually think rather than what the media think / want people to think.kingstongraham said:
He may have some valid points, but what exactly does he think he's won, and for what purpose?rick_chasey said:
Is he just waking up and realising he got used?
It's a good read. Cummings to me comes across as more of a strategist than someone who cares which way the election could swing.
They’re offering simple solutions to complex problems and blaming others for all the worlds ills.
Scary that it works so well but it’s not exactly revolutionary.
Still, good strategist.
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It's seems to some that the only thing is winning the election and that's it, not how you can actually benefit the country once you're there. The two aren't always the same thing.1
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Trust me, I'm a long way in credit.TheBigBean said:
Even if you have now repaid the cost of all the schools, being born and spending a good week in hospital, child benefit your parents received etc. then you need to start getting into credit to fund your retirement costs. Unfortunately, you won't know how much they will be in advance.kingstongraham said:
If that was the calculation, I've reckon I've paid that off a long time ago. How much does a university course cost?TheBigBean said:
To repay your debt for the education you received.kingstongraham said:I pay shitloads to educate other people's kids.
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Excellent. If you have a quick death prior to retirement, I'll let you complain about it.kingstongraham said:
Trust me, I'm a long way in credit.TheBigBean said:
Even if you have now repaid the cost of all the schools, being born and spending a good week in hospital, child benefit your parents received etc. then you need to start getting into credit to fund your retirement costs. Unfortunately, you won't know how much they will be in advance.kingstongraham said:
If that was the calculation, I've reckon I've paid that off a long time ago. How much does a university course cost?TheBigBean said:
To repay your debt for the education you received.kingstongraham said:I pay shitloads to educate other people's kids.
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Is it political that Turkey is on red list?
CL final to be held in UK...?
Probably reading too much into it0 -
I don't understand why I won't be mostly paying my own way (and tax) in retirement also.TheBigBean said:
Excellent. If you have a quick death prior to retirement, I'll let you complain about it.kingstongraham said:
Trust me, I'm a long way in credit.TheBigBean said:
Even if you have now repaid the cost of all the schools, being born and spending a good week in hospital, child benefit your parents received etc. then you need to start getting into credit to fund your retirement costs. Unfortunately, you won't know how much they will be in advance.kingstongraham said:
If that was the calculation, I've reckon I've paid that off a long time ago. How much does a university course cost?TheBigBean said:
To repay your debt for the education you received.kingstongraham said:I pay shitloads to educate other people's kids.
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A state pension is money coming in and may exceed your tax paid at that point, but basically dying is very expensive, so it all depends how you go. There is some stat around percentage of money the NHS spends on the final year of someone's life, and it's significant. There's also potential costs of nursing homes.kingstongraham said:
I don't understand why I won't be mostly paying my own way (and tax) in retirement also.TheBigBean said:
Excellent. If you have a quick death prior to retirement, I'll let you complain about it.kingstongraham said:
Trust me, I'm a long way in credit.TheBigBean said:
Even if you have now repaid the cost of all the schools, being born and spending a good week in hospital, child benefit your parents received etc. then you need to start getting into credit to fund your retirement costs. Unfortunately, you won't know how much they will be in advance.kingstongraham said:
If that was the calculation, I've reckon I've paid that off a long time ago. How much does a university course cost?TheBigBean said:
To repay your debt for the education you received.kingstongraham said:I pay shitloads to educate other people's kids.
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One for the football thread, but the location of the final should be based on the participants involved and not the amount some venue pays a long way in advance.shirley_basso said:Is it political that Turkey is on red list?
CL final to be held in UK...?
Probably reading too much into it1 -
Stevo will be pleased to hear that the young Labour fans on my Facebook have decided that what is wrong with Starmer is that he's white straight and middle aged.
The sort of approach that will really win back any floating voters.0 -
So, I was saying to Rick yesterday that he was giving people too much credit for their political intelligence. Evidence would appear to back up my point. 😉Jezyboy said:Stevo will be pleased to hear that the young Labour fans on my Facebook have decided that what is wrong with Starmer is that he's white straight and middle aged.
The sort of approach that will really win back any floating voters.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Even before the results, Twitter was full of Momentum types blaming the Guardian for not having been sufficiently gushing about Corbyn. I think social media has actually been pretty bad for both main parties, but particularly Labour in that his amplified the views of a relatively small section of each party, allowing them to kid themselves (and the party leadership) that their ideas have far wider support than is actually the case.Jezyboy said:Stevo will be pleased to hear that the young Labour fans on my Facebook have decided that what is wrong with Starmer is that he's white straight and middle aged.
The sort of approach that will really win back any floating voters.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Why is a constituency that was nearly 70% leave voting then following it up with a vote for UKIP in all by name at a by-election newsworthy? Surely it would have been a surprise and therefore worth talking about if they had elected a Labour MP?0
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Let me put it another way. If someone like me doesn't put in more than I get out, the country is screwed.TheBigBean said:
A state pension is money coming in and may exceed your tax paid at that point, but basically dying is very expensive, so it all depends how you go. There is some stat around percentage of money the NHS spends on the final year of someone's life, and it's significant. There's also potential costs of nursing homes.kingstongraham said:
I don't understand why I won't be mostly paying my own way (and tax) in retirement also.TheBigBean said:
Excellent. If you have a quick death prior to retirement, I'll let you complain about it.kingstongraham said:
Trust me, I'm a long way in credit.TheBigBean said:
Even if you have now repaid the cost of all the schools, being born and spending a good week in hospital, child benefit your parents received etc. then you need to start getting into credit to fund your retirement costs. Unfortunately, you won't know how much they will be in advance.kingstongraham said:
If that was the calculation, I've reckon I've paid that off a long time ago. How much does a university course cost?TheBigBean said:
To repay your debt for the education you received.kingstongraham said:I pay shitloads to educate other people's kids.
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It’s been labour for a long time.verylonglegs said:Why is a constituency that was nearly 70% leave voting then following it up with a vote for UKIP in all by name at a by-election newsworthy? Surely it would have been a surprise and therefore worth talking about if they had elected a Labour MP?
Labour also got a spanking on all sides in local elections0 -
For now. You may become very expensive at some point for the reasons I mentioned. Or you may not, in which case, congrats, but you'll be dead when that is finally decided.kingstongraham said:
Let me put it another way. If someone like me doesn't put in more than I get out, the country is screwed.TheBigBean said:
A state pension is money coming in and may exceed your tax paid at that point, but basically dying is very expensive, so it all depends how you go. There is some stat around percentage of money the NHS spends on the final year of someone's life, and it's significant. There's also potential costs of nursing homes.kingstongraham said:
I don't understand why I won't be mostly paying my own way (and tax) in retirement also.TheBigBean said:
Excellent. If you have a quick death prior to retirement, I'll let you complain about it.kingstongraham said:
Trust me, I'm a long way in credit.TheBigBean said:
Even if you have now repaid the cost of all the schools, being born and spending a good week in hospital, child benefit your parents received etc. then you need to start getting into credit to fund your retirement costs. Unfortunately, you won't know how much they will be in advance.kingstongraham said:
If that was the calculation, I've reckon I've paid that off a long time ago. How much does a university course cost?TheBigBean said:
To repay your debt for the education you received.kingstongraham said:I pay shitloads to educate other people's kids.
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Not making much headway in Wales or Scotland (although Labour are getting a kicking north of the border). I think it's due to incumbent parties being higher profile due to Covid and generally considered to have done a decent job of it.0
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Assumed these were what Rick considered to be his interests as he never thinks of himself - or at least never admits to it. Good peripheral point though .kingstongraham said:
Not to state the obvious, but these are subtly different.Stevo_666 said:
Funny, I also look at what party is most likely to act in my best interestsrick_chasey said:I will always vote for parties who most closely reflect my political priorities
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Lib Dems also getting a kicking in Wales. They've lost their only seat and are only getting hundreds of votes in many constituencies.0
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Thanks.Stevo_666 said:
Assumed these were what Rick considered to be his interests as he never thinks of himself - or at least never admits to it. Good peripheral point though .kingstongraham said:
Not to state the obvious, but these are subtly different.Stevo_666 said:
Funny, I also look at what party is most likely to act in my best interestsrick_chasey said:I will always vote for parties who most closely reflect my political priorities
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Am intrigued by this discussion so have tried to put some rudimentary sums together in today’s moneyTheBigBean said:
For now. You may become very expensive at some point for the reasons I mentioned. Or you may not, in which case, congrats, but you'll be dead when that is finally decided.kingstongraham said:
Let me put it another way. If someone like me doesn't put in more than I get out, the country is screwed.TheBigBean said:
A state pension is money coming in and may exceed your tax paid at that point, but basically dying is very expensive, so it all depends how you go. There is some stat around percentage of money the NHS spends on the final year of someone's life, and it's significant. There's also potential costs of nursing homes.kingstongraham said:
I don't understand why I won't be mostly paying my own way (and tax) in retirement also.TheBigBean said:
Excellent. If you have a quick death prior to retirement, I'll let you complain about it.kingstongraham said:
Trust me, I'm a long way in credit.TheBigBean said:
Even if you have now repaid the cost of all the schools, being born and spending a good week in hospital, child benefit your parents received etc. then you need to start getting into credit to fund your retirement costs. Unfortunately, you won't know how much they will be in advance.kingstongraham said:
If that was the calculation, I've reckon I've paid that off a long time ago. How much does a university course cost?TheBigBean said:
To repay your debt for the education you received.kingstongraham said:I pay shitloads to educate other people's kids.
Child benefit £1k pa x 18 = £18k
Education £5k pa x 13 = £65k
Pension £9k pa x 15 =£135k
He might get close to that on SDLT, Chuck in income tax, NI, VAT and Duty and he could have chipped multiples of that number.0 -
He's got to pay for all the other stuff that governments do as well. His childhood edcuation repayment comes from all of his tax currently being wasted on other people's children. Likewise his NHS savings account is built up out of his tax that goes to the NHS. It's an unknown whether he will need very expensive treatment at some point.surrey_commuter said:
Am intrigued by this discussion so have tried to put some rudimentary sums together in today’s moneyTheBigBean said:
For now. You may become very expensive at some point for the reasons I mentioned. Or you may not, in which case, congrats, but you'll be dead when that is finally decided.kingstongraham said:
Let me put it another way. If someone like me doesn't put in more than I get out, the country is screwed.TheBigBean said:
A state pension is money coming in and may exceed your tax paid at that point, but basically dying is very expensive, so it all depends how you go. There is some stat around percentage of money the NHS spends on the final year of someone's life, and it's significant. There's also potential costs of nursing homes.kingstongraham said:
I don't understand why I won't be mostly paying my own way (and tax) in retirement also.TheBigBean said:
Excellent. If you have a quick death prior to retirement, I'll let you complain about it.kingstongraham said:
Trust me, I'm a long way in credit.TheBigBean said:
Even if you have now repaid the cost of all the schools, being born and spending a good week in hospital, child benefit your parents received etc. then you need to start getting into credit to fund your retirement costs. Unfortunately, you won't know how much they will be in advance.kingstongraham said:
If that was the calculation, I've reckon I've paid that off a long time ago. How much does a university course cost?TheBigBean said:
To repay your debt for the education you received.kingstongraham said:I pay shitloads to educate other people's kids.
Child benefit £1k pa x 18 = £18k
Education £5k pa x 13 = £65k
Pension £9k pa x 15 =£135k
He might get close to that on SDLT, Chuck in income tax, NI, VAT and Duty and he could have chipped multiples of that number.0 -
Do you think everyone gets out more than they pay in?0
