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I suspect there are a lot of traditional Tory voters outside the SE who are fed up with the focus of resources on London and the negative impact that has subsequently had on their communities, and would welcome a shift away, or a levelling at least.kingstongraham said:If they come through for the ignored Northern constituencies, that would be awesome, but I think your traditional tory voter will hate it because it will cost.
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Was going to say the same. They are somehow taking votes from people who want very different things so at some point one side will be let down and I doubt it will be their traditional base where the actually Party membership mainly live. At the moment they're are getting votes on promises but I don't see how those promises get delivered without alienating the traditionalistskingstongraham said:If they come through for the ignored Northern constituencies, that would be awesome, but I think your traditional tory voter will hate it because it will cost.
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True. Will still cost though.Dorset_Boy said:
I suspect there are a lot of traditional Tory voters outside the SE who are fed up with the focus of resources on London and the negative impact that has subsequently had on their communities, and would welcome a shift away, or a levelling at least.kingstongraham said:If they come through for the ignored Northern constituencies, that would be awesome, but I think your traditional tory voter will hate it because it will cost.
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You've got liberal metro libs Vs populist Eton elites and the masses seem to be buying the snake oil from the Eton boys.Dorset_Boy said:
It's not arrogant at all. It tends to be the metro libs trying to tell everyone else how to lead their lives and dictate what is right and wrong.rick_chasey said:
This stuff is so arrogant.Dorset_Boy said:
The 'liberal metro' view point clearly is massively out of touch outside the major cities.
It's a difference of politics and priorities.
By the logic you say I could quite easily say " "the parochial regional" view point is massively out of touch in every major UK city". That is as stupid as your statement.
It's not some inverse snobbery "I am in touch and you're not" point.
People have different political persuasions and priorities and they tend to group together where they live.
I'm saying the liberal metro view point doesn't resonate outside the cities and therefore is out of touch with those areas.
It clearly resonates with city dwellers.
It's not saying one is right or one is wrong, once again you try to play the man and not the ball. Read what is wrtten, and digest it before adding salt to the chip!
Neither of them represent the working class, but I suspect only one gives a shoite about them rather than just their votes.0 -
The winners?kingstongraham said:
For who, though?Stevo_666 said:
Give me a crystal ball...kingstongraham said:
The Tory coalition is low tax, low spend, small government home counties wealthy people, land owning shire types, and now also, industrial heartland constituencies promised government investment they've been starved of for years under this government. Who is going to be let down? Or do you think I'm wrong?Stevo_666 said:
Tell exactly what the statements are you're referring to and I can decide.kingstongraham said:
I understand what the tories are offering previously labour and brexit voting people from northern left behind constituencies. I don't understand why they are still believed by long term conservative voters who voted remain and are interested in tax, laughed about the magic money tree and are from the home counties.Stevo_666 said:
True.Dorset_Boy said:Couple of comments from the radio this morning:
Hartlepool one of the biggest Brexit constituencies, and yet Labour put up a staunch remainer candidate.
Many Brexit leaning Labour voters see Starmer as the man behind Labour wanting to remain and who campaigned for the best part of 4 years to over turn the result of the first referendum.
It is quite incredible that after over a decade in power, it isn't the governing party's vote that is falling away, but that of the opposition parties. It doesn't appear that the Lib Dems are picking up anything from Labour either.
The 'liberal metro' view point clearly is massively out of touch outside the major cities.
Labour has the problem that it has a supporter base comprising the right-on metropolitan lefties and the traditional working class supporter base. And it can't really please both at the same time.
However the nasty tories clearly did something right, which some of the metropolitan lot can't/don't want to understand or deal with.
Who do you think they are lying to?
But let's not lose sight of the main point - a cracking win
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
lol. Do you honestly believe that? "Dictate"?Dorset_Boy said:
It's not arrogant at all. It tends to be the metro libs trying to tell everyone else how to lead their lives and dictate what is right and wrong.rick_chasey said:
This stuff is so arrogant.Dorset_Boy said:
The 'liberal metro' view point clearly is massively out of touch outside the major cities.
It's a difference of politics and priorities.
By the logic you say I could quite easily say " "the parochial regional" view point is massively out of touch in every major UK city". That is as stupid as your statement.
It's not some inverse snobbery "I am in touch and you're not" point.
People have different political persuasions and priorities and they tend to group together where they live.
I guess if you have your phantom enemy in your mind it's easier to justify the rest.0 -
I'm sure Keir Starmer and the Isliington Labour set care deeply about Hartlepool. He even visited and look how much that convinced the voters there.elbowloh said:
You've got liberal metro libs Vs populist Eton elites and the masses seem to be buying the snake oil from the Eton boys.Dorset_Boy said:
It's not arrogant at all. It tends to be the metro libs trying to tell everyone else how to lead their lives and dictate what is right and wrong.rick_chasey said:
This stuff is so arrogant.Dorset_Boy said:
The 'liberal metro' view point clearly is massively out of touch outside the major cities.
It's a difference of politics and priorities.
By the logic you say I could quite easily say " "the parochial regional" view point is massively out of touch in every major UK city". That is as stupid as your statement.
It's not some inverse snobbery "I am in touch and you're not" point.
People have different political persuasions and priorities and they tend to group together where they live.
I'm saying the liberal metro view point doesn't resonate outside the cities and therefore is out of touch with those areas.
It clearly resonates with city dwellers.
It's not saying one is right or one is wrong, once again you try to play the man and not the ball. Read what is wrtten, and digest it before adding salt to the chip!
Neither of them represent the working class, but I suspect only one gives a shoite about them rather than just their votes."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Kier visited Bath too, and got thrown out of a pub there by a traditional Labour supporting landlord...Stevo_666 said:
I'm sure Keir Starmer and the Isliington Labour set care deeply about Hartlepool. He even visited and look how much that convinced the voters there.elbowloh said:
You've got liberal metro libs Vs populist Eton elites and the masses seem to be buying the snake oil from the Eton boys.Dorset_Boy said:
It's not arrogant at all. It tends to be the metro libs trying to tell everyone else how to lead their lives and dictate what is right and wrong.rick_chasey said:
This stuff is so arrogant.Dorset_Boy said:
The 'liberal metro' view point clearly is massively out of touch outside the major cities.
It's a difference of politics and priorities.
By the logic you say I could quite easily say " "the parochial regional" view point is massively out of touch in every major UK city". That is as stupid as your statement.
It's not some inverse snobbery "I am in touch and you're not" point.
People have different political persuasions and priorities and they tend to group together where they live.
I'm saying the liberal metro view point doesn't resonate outside the cities and therefore is out of touch with those areas.
It clearly resonates with city dwellers.
It's not saying one is right or one is wrong, once again you try to play the man and not the ball. Read what is wrtten, and digest it before adding salt to the chip!
Neither of them represent the working class, but I suspect only one gives a shoite about them rather than just their votes.2 -
Did you really say that as a Johnson fanboi?Stevo_666 said:
I'm sure Keir Starmer and the Isliington Labour set care deeply about Hartlepool. He even visited and look how much that convinced the voters there.elbowloh said:
You've got liberal metro libs Vs populist Eton elites and the masses seem to be buying the snake oil from the Eton boys.Dorset_Boy said:
It's not arrogant at all. It tends to be the metro libs trying to tell everyone else how to lead their lives and dictate what is right and wrong.rick_chasey said:
This stuff is so arrogant.Dorset_Boy said:
The 'liberal metro' view point clearly is massively out of touch outside the major cities.
It's a difference of politics and priorities.
By the logic you say I could quite easily say " "the parochial regional" view point is massively out of touch in every major UK city". That is as stupid as your statement.
It's not some inverse snobbery "I am in touch and you're not" point.
People have different political persuasions and priorities and they tend to group together where they live.
I'm saying the liberal metro view point doesn't resonate outside the cities and therefore is out of touch with those areas.
It clearly resonates with city dwellers.
It's not saying one is right or one is wrong, once again you try to play the man and not the ball. Read what is wrtten, and digest it before adding salt to the chip!
Neither of them represent the working class, but I suspect only one gives a shoite about them rather than just their votes.0 -
It wasn't Starmer who was willing to let the bodies pile high.Stevo_666 said:
I'm sure Keir Starmer and the Isliington Labour set care deeply about Hartlepool. He even visited and look how much that convinced the voters there.elbowloh said:
You've got liberal metro libs Vs populist Eton elites and the masses seem to be buying the snake oil from the Eton boys.Dorset_Boy said:
It's not arrogant at all. It tends to be the metro libs trying to tell everyone else how to lead their lives and dictate what is right and wrong.rick_chasey said:
This stuff is so arrogant.Dorset_Boy said:
The 'liberal metro' view point clearly is massively out of touch outside the major cities.
It's a difference of politics and priorities.
By the logic you say I could quite easily say " "the parochial regional" view point is massively out of touch in every major UK city". That is as stupid as your statement.
It's not some inverse snobbery "I am in touch and you're not" point.
People have different political persuasions and priorities and they tend to group together where they live.
I'm saying the liberal metro view point doesn't resonate outside the cities and therefore is out of touch with those areas.
It clearly resonates with city dwellers.
It's not saying one is right or one is wrong, once again you try to play the man and not the ball. Read what is wrtten, and digest it before adding salt to the chip!
Neither of them represent the working class, but I suspect only one gives a shoite about them rather than just their votes.0 -
Bizarrely he seemed to think that Starmer was in direct charge of lockdown policy. I do think Starmer has not been clear enough in articulating what he actually wants to achieve though.Dorset_Boy said:
Kier visited Bath too, and got thrown out of a pub there by a traditional Labour supporting landlord...Stevo_666 said:
I'm sure Keir Starmer and the Isliington Labour set care deeply about Hartlepool. He even visited and look how much that convinced the voters there.elbowloh said:
You've got liberal metro libs Vs populist Eton elites and the masses seem to be buying the snake oil from the Eton boys.Dorset_Boy said:
It's not arrogant at all. It tends to be the metro libs trying to tell everyone else how to lead their lives and dictate what is right and wrong.rick_chasey said:
This stuff is so arrogant.Dorset_Boy said:
The 'liberal metro' view point clearly is massively out of touch outside the major cities.
It's a difference of politics and priorities.
By the logic you say I could quite easily say " "the parochial regional" view point is massively out of touch in every major UK city". That is as stupid as your statement.
It's not some inverse snobbery "I am in touch and you're not" point.
People have different political persuasions and priorities and they tend to group together where they live.
I'm saying the liberal metro view point doesn't resonate outside the cities and therefore is out of touch with those areas.
It clearly resonates with city dwellers.
It's not saying one is right or one is wrong, once again you try to play the man and not the ball. Read what is wrtten, and digest it before adding salt to the chip!
Neither of them represent the working class, but I suspect only one gives a shoite about them rather than just their votes.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
and retired! Almost 13 million of them!Dorset_Boy said:
You left out the self employed, the small business owners from your list of traditional Tories there.kingstongraham said:
The Tory coalition is low tax, low spend, small government home counties wealthy people, land owning shire types, and now also, industrial heartland constituencies promised government investment they've been starved of for years under this government. Who is going to be let down? Or do you think I'm wrong?Stevo_666 said:
Tell exactly what the statements are you're referring to and I can decide.kingstongraham said:
I understand what the tories are offering previously labour and brexit voting people from northern left behind constituencies. I don't understand why they are still believed by long term conservative voters who voted remain and are interested in tax, laughed about the magic money tree and are from the home counties.Stevo_666 said:
True.Dorset_Boy said:Couple of comments from the radio this morning:
Hartlepool one of the biggest Brexit constituencies, and yet Labour put up a staunch remainer candidate.
Many Brexit leaning Labour voters see Starmer as the man behind Labour wanting to remain and who campaigned for the best part of 4 years to over turn the result of the first referendum.
It is quite incredible that after over a decade in power, it isn't the governing party's vote that is falling away, but that of the opposition parties. It doesn't appear that the Lib Dems are picking up anything from Labour either.
The 'liberal metro' view point clearly is massively out of touch outside the major cities.
Labour has the problem that it has a supporter base comprising the right-on metropolitan lefties and the traditional working class supporter base. And it can't really please both at the same time.
However the nasty tories clearly did something right, which some of the metropolitan lot can't/don't want to understand or deal with.
Who do you think they are lying to?0 -
"I heard this time and time again on the doorstep and people have had enough and now, through this result, the people have spoken and have made it clear it is time for change."0
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Worth thinking on this.Dorset_Boy said:
Kier visited Bath too, and got thrown out of a pub there by a traditional Labour supporting landlord...Stevo_666 said:
I'm sure Keir Starmer and the Isliington Labour set care deeply about Hartlepool. He even visited and look how much that convinced the voters there.elbowloh said:
You've got liberal metro libs Vs populist Eton elites and the masses seem to be buying the snake oil from the Eton boys.Dorset_Boy said:
It's not arrogant at all. It tends to be the metro libs trying to tell everyone else how to lead their lives and dictate what is right and wrong.rick_chasey said:
This stuff is so arrogant.Dorset_Boy said:
The 'liberal metro' view point clearly is massively out of touch outside the major cities.
It's a difference of politics and priorities.
By the logic you say I could quite easily say " "the parochial regional" view point is massively out of touch in every major UK city". That is as stupid as your statement.
It's not some inverse snobbery "I am in touch and you're not" point.
People have different political persuasions and priorities and they tend to group together where they live.
I'm saying the liberal metro view point doesn't resonate outside the cities and therefore is out of touch with those areas.
It clearly resonates with city dwellers.
It's not saying one is right or one is wrong, once again you try to play the man and not the ball. Read what is wrtten, and digest it before adding salt to the chip!
Neither of them represent the working class, but I suspect only one gives a shoite about them rather than just their votes.
Starmer got the blame for the Conservative policies that are really popular.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
rick_chasey said:
and retired! Almost 13 million of them!Dorset_Boy said:
You left out the self employed, the small business owners from your list of traditional Tories there.kingstongraham said:
The Tory coalition is low tax, low spend, small government home counties wealthy people, land owning shire types, and now also, industrial heartland constituencies promised government investment they've been starved of for years under this government. Who is going to be let down? Or do you think I'm wrong?Stevo_666 said:
Tell exactly what the statements are you're referring to and I can decide.kingstongraham said:
I understand what the tories are offering previously labour and brexit voting people from northern left behind constituencies. I don't understand why they are still believed by long term conservative voters who voted remain and are interested in tax, laughed about the magic money tree and are from the home counties.Stevo_666 said:
True.Dorset_Boy said:Couple of comments from the radio this morning:
Hartlepool one of the biggest Brexit constituencies, and yet Labour put up a staunch remainer candidate.
Many Brexit leaning Labour voters see Starmer as the man behind Labour wanting to remain and who campaigned for the best part of 4 years to over turn the result of the first referendum.
It is quite incredible that after over a decade in power, it isn't the governing party's vote that is falling away, but that of the opposition parties. It doesn't appear that the Lib Dems are picking up anything from Labour either.
The 'liberal metro' view point clearly is massively out of touch outside the major cities.
Labour has the problem that it has a supporter base comprising the right-on metropolitan lefties and the traditional working class supporter base. And it can't really please both at the same time.
However the nasty tories clearly did something right, which some of the metropolitan lot can't/don't want to understand or deal with.
Who do you think they are lying to?
The poor working class retired are not traditional Tory voters.
The wealthy retired are.
However, hate to break this to you Rick, but not everyone in retirement is wealthy.
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Wait till people hear who put London in tier 2 and Hartlepool in tier 3 in December.0
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I don't think that one incident is indicative of anything more than a guy in hospitality at the end of his tether.tailwindhome said:
Worth thinking on this.Dorset_Boy said:
Kier visited Bath too, and got thrown out of a pub there by a traditional Labour supporting landlord...Stevo_666 said:
I'm sure Keir Starmer and the Isliington Labour set care deeply about Hartlepool. He even visited and look how much that convinced the voters there.elbowloh said:
You've got liberal metro libs Vs populist Eton elites and the masses seem to be buying the snake oil from the Eton boys.Dorset_Boy said:
It's not arrogant at all. It tends to be the metro libs trying to tell everyone else how to lead their lives and dictate what is right and wrong.rick_chasey said:
This stuff is so arrogant.Dorset_Boy said:
The 'liberal metro' view point clearly is massively out of touch outside the major cities.
It's a difference of politics and priorities.
By the logic you say I could quite easily say " "the parochial regional" view point is massively out of touch in every major UK city". That is as stupid as your statement.
It's not some inverse snobbery "I am in touch and you're not" point.
People have different political persuasions and priorities and they tend to group together where they live.
I'm saying the liberal metro view point doesn't resonate outside the cities and therefore is out of touch with those areas.
It clearly resonates with city dwellers.
It's not saying one is right or one is wrong, once again you try to play the man and not the ball. Read what is wrtten, and digest it before adding salt to the chip!
Neither of them represent the working class, but I suspect only one gives a shoite about them rather than just their votes.
Starmer got the blame for the Conservative policies that are really popular.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
All that said, it makes perfect sense for Hartlepool to vote Conservative.0
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Not saying they are.Dorset_Boy said:rick_chasey said:
and retired! Almost 13 million of them!Dorset_Boy said:
You left out the self employed, the small business owners from your list of traditional Tories there.kingstongraham said:
The Tory coalition is low tax, low spend, small government home counties wealthy people, land owning shire types, and now also, industrial heartland constituencies promised government investment they've been starved of for years under this government. Who is going to be let down? Or do you think I'm wrong?Stevo_666 said:
Tell exactly what the statements are you're referring to and I can decide.kingstongraham said:
I understand what the tories are offering previously labour and brexit voting people from northern left behind constituencies. I don't understand why they are still believed by long term conservative voters who voted remain and are interested in tax, laughed about the magic money tree and are from the home counties.Stevo_666 said:
True.Dorset_Boy said:Couple of comments from the radio this morning:
Hartlepool one of the biggest Brexit constituencies, and yet Labour put up a staunch remainer candidate.
Many Brexit leaning Labour voters see Starmer as the man behind Labour wanting to remain and who campaigned for the best part of 4 years to over turn the result of the first referendum.
It is quite incredible that after over a decade in power, it isn't the governing party's vote that is falling away, but that of the opposition parties. It doesn't appear that the Lib Dems are picking up anything from Labour either.
The 'liberal metro' view point clearly is massively out of touch outside the major cities.
Labour has the problem that it has a supporter base comprising the right-on metropolitan lefties and the traditional working class supporter base. And it can't really please both at the same time.
However the nasty tories clearly did something right, which some of the metropolitan lot can't/don't want to understand or deal with.
Who do you think they are lying to?
The poor working class retired are not traditional Tory voters.
The wealthy retired are.
However, hate to break this to you Rick, but not everyone in retirement is wealthy.
But the focus is always on breaking up the different types of working people and rather forgetting the absolutely massive retired population.0 -
'The results so far from the BBC's key wards shows that Leave and working class areas are moving more strongly to the Conservatives than are Remain and more middle class places.
In the most Leave voting areas where the last local elections were in 2016, the swing from Labour to Conservative is averaging 12 points. In contrast, in the most Remain voting areas there is currently hardly any swing to Conservatives at all.
In those wards where the last electoral contest was in 2017, there is a four point swing to the Conservatives in the most pro-Leave areas, but a 5 point swing to Labour in the most pro-Remain wards.
This latter pattern means that we can anticipate some Labour gains in places where the last election was in 2017.
In the most working class wards the swing since 2016 is averaging 12 points, whereas it is only 3 points in more middle class areas.
In wards last contested in 2017, the swing to the Conservatives is 4 points in the most working class areas, while there is a 4 point swing to Labour in the most middle class ones.
These figures illustrate the lack of progress that Labour has made in reconnecting with working class voters since the general election.'
Definitely a class and not age thing.0 -
It really is unfathomable. As they mentioned several times on the news this morning it is unheard of for a Party that has been in Government for 11 years to be taking Councils rather than losing them. I still find it hard to get my head around the Tories having been in power for 11 years as I tend to overlook the coalition but I really can't understand people thinking voting for the party that has clearly been in charge for a long time as a sign that it is time for change.kingstongraham said:"I heard this time and time again on the doorstep and people have had enough and now, through this result, the people have spoken and have made it clear it is time for change."
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FWIW, the retired population is 3x the size of the self employed population.rick_chasey said:
Not saying they are.Dorset_Boy said:rick_chasey said:
and retired! Almost 13 million of them!Dorset_Boy said:
You left out the self employed, the small business owners from your list of traditional Tories there.kingstongraham said:
The Tory coalition is low tax, low spend, small government home counties wealthy people, land owning shire types, and now also, industrial heartland constituencies promised government investment they've been starved of for years under this government. Who is going to be let down? Or do you think I'm wrong?Stevo_666 said:
Tell exactly what the statements are you're referring to and I can decide.kingstongraham said:
I understand what the tories are offering previously labour and brexit voting people from northern left behind constituencies. I don't understand why they are still believed by long term conservative voters who voted remain and are interested in tax, laughed about the magic money tree and are from the home counties.Stevo_666 said:
True.Dorset_Boy said:Couple of comments from the radio this morning:
Hartlepool one of the biggest Brexit constituencies, and yet Labour put up a staunch remainer candidate.
Many Brexit leaning Labour voters see Starmer as the man behind Labour wanting to remain and who campaigned for the best part of 4 years to over turn the result of the first referendum.
It is quite incredible that after over a decade in power, it isn't the governing party's vote that is falling away, but that of the opposition parties. It doesn't appear that the Lib Dems are picking up anything from Labour either.
The 'liberal metro' view point clearly is massively out of touch outside the major cities.
Labour has the problem that it has a supporter base comprising the right-on metropolitan lefties and the traditional working class supporter base. And it can't really please both at the same time.
However the nasty tories clearly did something right, which some of the metropolitan lot can't/don't want to understand or deal with.
Who do you think they are lying to?
The poor working class retired are not traditional Tory voters.
The wealthy retired are.
However, hate to break this to you Rick, but not everyone in retirement is wealthy.
But the focus is always on breaking up the different types of working people and rather forgetting the absolutely massive retired population.0 -
It's not that unfathomable.Pross said:
It really is unfathomable. As they mentioned several times on the news this morning it is unheard of for a Party that has been in Government for 11 years to be taking Councils rather than losing them. I still find it hard to get my head around the Tories having been in power for 11 years as I tend to overlook the coalition but I really can't understand people thinking voting for the party that has clearly been in charge for a long time as a sign that it is time for change.kingstongraham said:"I heard this time and time again on the doorstep and people have had enough and now, through this result, the people have spoken and have made it clear it is time for change."
Hartlepool has been voting labour for a long time and unemployment is I think ether the highest in the country or near enough.
So voting Tory is a change.
Say you've voted labour the past 20 years and the town has got worse for various reasons - which I think is safe to say for Hartlepool.
So why keep doing the same thing?0 -
To a Brexit voter, Labour's policies for the last year have been "we'd have done the same about covid, but slightly before everything went to sh1t, not after", "we think your other main priority for the last year is nonsense". It's not going to bring them back.1
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The team.kingstongraham said:
For who, though?Stevo_666 said:
Give me a crystal ball...kingstongraham said:
The Tory coalition is low tax, low spend, small government home counties wealthy people, land owning shire types, and now also, industrial heartland constituencies promised government investment they've been starved of for years under this government. Who is going to be let down? Or do you think I'm wrong?Stevo_666 said:
Tell exactly what the statements are you're referring to and I can decide.kingstongraham said:
I understand what the tories are offering previously labour and brexit voting people from northern left behind constituencies. I don't understand why they are still believed by long term conservative voters who voted remain and are interested in tax, laughed about the magic money tree and are from the home counties.Stevo_666 said:
True.Dorset_Boy said:Couple of comments from the radio this morning:
Hartlepool one of the biggest Brexit constituencies, and yet Labour put up a staunch remainer candidate.
Many Brexit leaning Labour voters see Starmer as the man behind Labour wanting to remain and who campaigned for the best part of 4 years to over turn the result of the first referendum.
It is quite incredible that after over a decade in power, it isn't the governing party's vote that is falling away, but that of the opposition parties. It doesn't appear that the Lib Dems are picking up anything from Labour either.
The 'liberal metro' view point clearly is massively out of touch outside the major cities.
Labour has the problem that it has a supporter base comprising the right-on metropolitan lefties and the traditional working class supporter base. And it can't really please both at the same time.
However the nasty tories clearly did something right, which some of the metropolitan lot can't/don't want to understand or deal with.
Who do you think they are lying to?
But let's not lose sight of the main point - a cracking win- Genesis Croix de Fer
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He definitely didn't let the votes pile high.elbowloh said:
It wasn't Starmer who was willing to let the bodies pile high.Stevo_666 said:
I'm sure Keir Starmer and the Isliington Labour set care deeply about Hartlepool. He even visited and look how much that convinced the voters there.elbowloh said:
You've got liberal metro libs Vs populist Eton elites and the masses seem to be buying the snake oil from the Eton boys.Dorset_Boy said:
It's not arrogant at all. It tends to be the metro libs trying to tell everyone else how to lead their lives and dictate what is right and wrong.rick_chasey said:
This stuff is so arrogant.Dorset_Boy said:
The 'liberal metro' view point clearly is massively out of touch outside the major cities.
It's a difference of politics and priorities.
By the logic you say I could quite easily say " "the parochial regional" view point is massively out of touch in every major UK city". That is as stupid as your statement.
It's not some inverse snobbery "I am in touch and you're not" point.
People have different political persuasions and priorities and they tend to group together where they live.
I'm saying the liberal metro view point doesn't resonate outside the cities and therefore is out of touch with those areas.
It clearly resonates with city dwellers.
It's not saying one is right or one is wrong, once again you try to play the man and not the ball. Read what is wrtten, and digest it before adding salt to the chip!
Neither of them represent the working class, but I suspect only one gives a shoite about them rather than just their votes."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
And successful people generally.Dorset_Boy said:
You left out the self employed, the small business owners from your list of traditional Tories there.kingstongraham said:
The Tory coalition is low tax, low spend, small government home counties wealthy people, land owning shire types, and now also, industrial heartland constituencies promised government investment they've been starved of for years under this government. Who is going to be let down? Or do you think I'm wrong?Stevo_666 said:
Tell exactly what the statements are you're referring to and I can decide.kingstongraham said:
I understand what the tories are offering previously labour and brexit voting people from northern left behind constituencies. I don't understand why they are still believed by long term conservative voters who voted remain and are interested in tax, laughed about the magic money tree and are from the home counties.Stevo_666 said:
True.Dorset_Boy said:Couple of comments from the radio this morning:
Hartlepool one of the biggest Brexit constituencies, and yet Labour put up a staunch remainer candidate.
Many Brexit leaning Labour voters see Starmer as the man behind Labour wanting to remain and who campaigned for the best part of 4 years to over turn the result of the first referendum.
It is quite incredible that after over a decade in power, it isn't the governing party's vote that is falling away, but that of the opposition parties. It doesn't appear that the Lib Dems are picking up anything from Labour either.
The 'liberal metro' view point clearly is massively out of touch outside the major cities.
Labour has the problem that it has a supporter base comprising the right-on metropolitan lefties and the traditional working class supporter base. And it can't really please both at the same time.
However the nasty tories clearly did something right, which some of the metropolitan lot can't/don't want to understand or deal with.
Who do you think they are lying to?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
He may have some valid points, but what exactly does he think he's won, and for what purpose?rick_chasey said:
Is he just waking up and realising he got used?0
