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She is too online for her own good.
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Not the main point about the Conservatives' pivot to pandering to online conspiracy theorists, but didn't the opposition tag an amendment onto a bill about water companies and then say that all the Tories who voted against it were in favour of putting shit in rivers?
Claiming this part of it is an outrage is performative.
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Yes, it's a pretty standard tactic across various governments.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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By "cover up" do you mean the 2015 public enquiry? Or not doing anything about it's findings since 2022?
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To be slightly fair to Bean, he did say 'perceived cover-up', but that's only because malign actors are promoting that conspiracy theory to smear Starmer and make racist accusations.
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Voters who are angry about a "perceived cover up" are clueless. As above, there was a public enquiry, it produced several hundred recommendations, none of which successive Tory govts enacted. The story of grooming gangs was exposed and reported extensively by Andrew Norfolk over a decade ago. I worked for a youth charity at the time, my colleague worked on and secured funding for projects which directly addressed CSE and supported victims of grooming gangs across the NW. Keir Starmer as DPP at the time appointed Nazir Afsal to oversee prosecutions and met with Andrew Norfolk to review the whole range of cases. Starmer also changed the prosecution thresholds to make it easier for victims to give evidence and the perpetrators to be prosecuted.
The problem here is that people are badly informed and frankly too lazy and ignorant (talking about the wider public that have fallen for Musk's rhetoric) to find out the truth about what happened. People perceive a cover up as they have bought into lies and misinformation and are so beholden to the powers of social media that they cannot fact find for themselves, or are so deep into conspiracy theories that even when presented with the truth they choose to ignore it. Frankly, we are now living in an age of idiots who are in thrall to what they believe to be demi-gods.
As Jacob Bronowski put it so eloquently in 'The Ascent of Man', "When people believe that they have absolute knowledge, with no test in reality, this is how they behave. This is what men do when they aspire to the knowledge of gods".
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And yesterday evening I saw a post on an Exeter FB community group with 26k members directly accusing the local (Labour) MP having "voted against a public enquiry into grooming gangs", with no context whatsoever. We're a bit fucked when that's the level of thought and discourse.
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Why do they need another enquiry when they all know exactly what the problem is?
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Quite.
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And here, in a nutshell, is why the UK can't afford the Tory Party trying to out-Farage Farage. Firstly, they won't - he's too clever (much more adept at making vaguely normal people think he's on their side than Badenoch, who talks down to everyone). Secondly, the UK now has no moderate-right party... that's where Tories should be. All they are doing now is recruiting for Reform.
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Someone will say it is what the British people want. Plopulists always say that, regardless.
It costs a lot of money, diverts funds away from anything meaningful, breaks government and country.
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What that shows me is Labour self destructing.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
What is shows me is that we will have a populist government in 5 years.
Sorry. ANOTHER pupulist government, since we've just had one.
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At this rate, it is looking quite possible.
Although I didn't know that Reform were quite that keen on juvenile dogs 😉
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Pupulist makes them sound more friendly.
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If you look at Europe and the world, this is the way that politics are going - rightward, like it or not. I posted this pic in the funnies thread but it has a point:
Labour are now starting to look like left wing outliers.
In the end the only thing that might save them come the next GE is if the right of centre vote is sufficiently split between Tories and Reform. In which case, some form of alliance or agreement between them on which seats to contest might be the best way of getting rid of this leftie shower.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You keep forgetting that Farage wants to destroy the Tories.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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It will continue to swing. Look at Brazil.
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I think you're being incredibly optimistic for the Tories there. Farage is able to get lots of support from people who despise both main parties. If he does a deal with the Conservatives, he loses that ability.
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I'm sure the Fib Dums wanted to destroy the tories when they were deluded enough to think that they could, and ended up in a coalition with them.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
So you think he may not even need the help?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It needs to swing here...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I think allying with the Tories would be actively unhelpful for him.
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I don't think they did. I don't think there was that much of a gap between Clegg and Cameron. Badenoch clearly loathes Farage, and based on that poll, the Tories look like they would be the junior party.
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Depends how it's done. There are areas of the country where the Tories dont stand a chance and other areas where Reform wouldn't, so it might make sense to accept that and stand down the 'no chance' candidate in those places to consolidate the vote. IMO worth it if it gets rid of Labour.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Listening to some of the older posts on here from Lib Dem leaning posters, I could be forgiven for thinking that.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
If they were looking to destroy the Conservatives in 2010, I would suggest that entering an agreement to put them in government and vote with them would be an odd course of action.
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The 2010 result made it clear they couldn't and that alliance was the only way they could get anywhere near the levers of power.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
🤷🏻♂️ There's a spectrum of views in any party. I think it's pretty clear which way the leadership at the time leant. They could probably have made a go at an arrangement with Labour but they didn't.
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Another view on the incompatibility of Reform and Conservative parties.
Reform are a bunch of economic lefties.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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