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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,274

    Not the main point about the Conservatives' pivot to pandering to online conspiracy theorists, but didn't the opposition tag an amendment onto a bill about water companies and then say that all the Tories who voted against it were in favour of putting shit in rivers?

    Claiming this part of it is an outrage is performative.

  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,875

    Yes, it's a pretty standard tactic across various governments.

    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,449

    By "cover up" do you mean the 2015 public enquiry? Or not doing anything about it's findings since 2022?

  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,909

    To be slightly fair to Bean, he did say 'perceived cover-up', but that's only because malign actors are promoting that conspiracy theory to smear Starmer and make racist accusations.

  • MidlandsGrimpeur2
    MidlandsGrimpeur2 Posts: 2,167

    Voters who are angry about a "perceived cover up" are clueless. As above, there was a public enquiry, it produced several hundred recommendations, none of which successive Tory govts enacted. The story of grooming gangs was exposed and reported extensively by Andrew Norfolk over a decade ago. I worked for a youth charity at the time, my colleague worked on and secured funding for projects which directly addressed CSE and supported victims of grooming gangs across the NW. Keir Starmer as DPP at the time appointed Nazir Afsal to oversee prosecutions and met with Andrew Norfolk to review the whole range of cases. Starmer also changed the prosecution thresholds to make it easier for victims to give evidence and the perpetrators to be prosecuted.

    The problem here is that people are badly informed and frankly too lazy and ignorant (talking about the wider public that have fallen for Musk's rhetoric) to find out the truth about what happened. People perceive a cover up as they have bought into lies and misinformation and are so beholden to the powers of social media that they cannot fact find for themselves, or are so deep into conspiracy theories that even when presented with the truth they choose to ignore it. Frankly, we are now living in an age of idiots who are in thrall to what they believe to be demi-gods.

    As Jacob Bronowski put it so eloquently in 'The Ascent of Man', "When people believe that they have absolute knowledge, with no test in reality, this is how they behave. This is what men do when they aspire to the knowledge of gods".

  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,909

    And yesterday evening I saw a post on an Exeter FB community group with 26k members directly accusing the local (Labour) MP having "voted against a public enquiry into grooming gangs", with no context whatsoever. We're a bit fucked when that's the level of thought and discourse.

  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,274

    Why do they need another enquiry when they all know exactly what the problem is?

  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,909

    And here, in a nutshell, is why the UK can't afford the Tory Party trying to out-Farage Farage. Firstly, they won't - he's too clever (much more adept at making vaguely normal people think he's on their side than Badenoch, who talks down to everyone). Secondly, the UK now has no moderate-right party... that's where Tories should be. All they are doing now is recruiting for Reform.


  • secretsqirrel
    secretsqirrel Posts: 2,152

    Someone will say it is what the British people want. Plopulists always say that, regardless.

    It costs a lot of money, diverts funds away from anything meaningful, breaks government and country.

  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,923
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,449

    What is shows me is that we will have a populist government in 5 years.

    Sorry. ANOTHER pupulist government, since we've just had one.