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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,903
    Yes, that was rather pleasing.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,603
    Since this is the default election thread, can anyone explain how these results do not add up to a fix? Asking for a friend. Yes, genuinely.


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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,686
    pblakeney said:

    Since this is the default election thread, can anyone explain how these results do not add up to a fix? Asking for a friend. Yes, genuinely.


    It explains it below - the SNP took 8 of the 9 constituency seats. There was mention if it this morning, the Scottish and Welsh systems were set up to try to avoid any single party getting an outright majority.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,603
    Pross said:

    pblakeney said:

    Since this is the default election thread, can anyone explain how these results do not add up to a fix? Asking for a friend. Yes, genuinely.


    It explains it below - the SNP took 8 of the 9 constituency seats. There was mention if it this morning, the Scottish and Welsh systems were set up to try to avoid any single party getting an outright majority.
    That was my interpretation, it is fixed.
    Worth a laugh at Salmond though.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited May 2021
    In the local mayoral election, bit of a surprise, labour smacked the Tories.

    52-48 (!!!!) on the first vote to labour, got smacked hard on the second vote, ended up 72-28.

    No surprise Tories are binning second transferable vote.

    Big swing in the fens away from Tories (who is their natural party). Apparently lots of flooding and Brexit affected farmers.
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,668

    In the local mayoral election, bit of a surprise, labour smacked the Tories.

    52-48 (!!!!) on the first vote to labour, got smacked hard on the second vote, ended up 72-28.

    No surprise Tories are binning second transferable vote.

    Big swing in the fens away from Tories (who is their natural party). Apparently lots of flooding and Brexit affected farmers.

    West of England metro mayor swung from conservative to labour here. I do find that odd... Bristol is quite non conservative but the surrounding areas are usually not.
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  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    pblakeney said:

    Since this is the default election thread, can anyone explain how these results do not add up to a fix? Asking for a friend. Yes, genuinely.


    It explains it below - the SNP took 8 of the 9 constituency seats. There was mention if it this morning, the Scottish and Welsh systems were set up to try to avoid any single party getting an outright majority.
    That was my interpretation, it is fixed.
    Worth a laugh at Salmond though.
    But under a pure FPTP system, the party with just under 40% of the vote would have every seat. The other 60% would have no representation. That sounds more like a fix.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,603
    edited May 2021
    elbowloh said:

    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    pblakeney said:

    Since this is the default election thread, can anyone explain how these results do not add up to a fix? Asking for a friend. Yes, genuinely.


    It explains it below - the SNP took 8 of the 9 constituency seats. There was mention if it this morning, the Scottish and Welsh systems were set up to try to avoid any single party getting an outright majority.
    That was my interpretation, it is fixed.
    Worth a laugh at Salmond though.
    But under a pure FPTP system, the party with just under 40% of the vote would have every seat. The other 60% would have no representation. That sounds more like a fix.
    Yeah, I'm all for proportional representation. We simply couldn't believe that the system being deliberately rigged was both the simple conclusion, and the correct one.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,474
    Labour have recruited polling expert Deborah Mattinson as a strategy director
    Which is interesting as she literally wrote the book on how Labour lost the 'red wall'



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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,474

    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    It is a strange world when I am agreeing with Paris more often than not
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867

    It is a strange world when I am agreeing with Paris more often than not

    Paris is a city in France

    Parris is a well informed political columnist.

    I am intrigued that you find it strange that you agree with him.

    Try Max Hastings, you might surprise yourself
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Well it seems my lonely opinion has just gone mainstream

    ST headlining that in the Queens Speech the Tories are going to reject traditional free market economics.

    Jobs are going to get on their bikes and go and find the people.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,603
    Current thesis of party politics.
    Labour's policy is wooly and unclear. Conservative policy is socialist. Confusing times.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660

    It is a strange world when I am agreeing with Paris more often than not

    Paris is a city in France

    Parris is a well informed political columnist.

    I am intrigued that you find it strange that you agree with him.

    Try Max Hastings, you might surprise yourself
    Thanks for the typo correction.

    I used to find him supremely irritating. On lesser issues like private education etc
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited May 2021
    I do like the idea labour are so out of touch from the working person unlike......this cabinet?

    Is it that the Tories don’t make you feel bad for being against things like immigrants?

  • pinkbikini
    pinkbikini Posts: 876

    It is a strange world when I am agreeing with Paris more often than not

    Paris is a city in France

    Parris is a well informed political columnist.

    I am intrigued that you find it strange that you agree with him.

    Try Max Hastings, you might surprise yourself
    Thanks for the typo correction.

    I used to find him supremely irritating. On lesser issues like private education etc
    I still remember his ‘what’s smug and needs to be decapitated’ article, blaming cyclists for all the rubbish thrown into hedgerows. Literally writing to cause the ill-informed to froth up.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Ah yes I remember his hatred of cyclists.

    Ah, glory days when you could write articles casually hating a minority who represent the future of short-medium distance travel, rather than having to despair at the degradation of the entire political system.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    I do feel the UK politically is very much like the Italy of the 00s.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Who did you vote for in the end, @surrey_commuter
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,939

    Ah yes I remember his hatred of cyclists.

    Ah, glory days when you could write articles casually hating a minority who represent the future of short-medium distance travel, rather than having to despair at the degradation of the entire political system.


    I'd hope that he'd put his hand up and say he seriously misjudged that one. It's easy to dismiss someone's POV in its entirety after such a misjudgement (and other political leanings), but he's nearly always a thoughtful writer, even if you disagree with parts of his world view.

    https://bikebiz.com/parris-apologises-for-death-to-cyclists-comment/
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Meh. I don’t get the whole offended thing.

    But yes I rarely used to agree with him.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867

    Who did you vote for in the end, @surrey_commuter

    No vote for me.

    People can criticise me all they like but until an election is decided on the toss of the coin because I did not vote then I still see not voting as the least worse way to influence the chance of electoral reform
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,674

    Well it seems my lonely opinion has just gone mainstream

    ST headlining that in the Queens Speech the Tories are going to reject traditional free market economics.

    Jobs are going to get on their bikes and go and find the people.

    Yet people laugh at the idea that Corbyn won the argument!


  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited May 2021


    Don’t know why the Tories are upset by this.

    Piling up labour voters in London by stripping them out of the rest of England is an excellent election strategy
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660


    Anyway, gritty places still vote labour generally.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,686

    Who did you vote for in the end, @surrey_commuter

    No vote for me.

    People can criticise me all they like but until an election is decided on the toss of the coin because I did not vote then I still see not voting as the least worse way to influence the chance of electoral reform
    Took the same approach myself this time which I think is a first in a GE or Welsh Assembly election. Labour has done an OK job in the assembly but have made some poor decisions and I just can't bring myself to vote for them. Definitely not voting Tory again until they change significantly (and find someone less of an idiot as their Senedd leader) and anyone else would have been the same impact as not turning up).
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,686



    Anyway, gritty places still vote labour generally.
    Never realised the metropolitan elite lived in deprived areas. I guess Wokeness is a big deal in that constituency in the top left?
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,474
    By age


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