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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    13 years of government. Can't build one railway.
    _
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Which court is it that forces them to stop building if there's a newt in the way? That's the one we should leave.
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,605
    So a week after lots of talking heads bemoan the cost of consultants working on HS2, one of the Chancellor's big ideas is... cutting the civil service.
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,605
    rjsterry said:

    Manchester leg of HS2 to be cancelled. At the party conference in Manchester.

    No wonder Hunt flew there.

    Funding to be redistributed to fight the scourge of 15 minute cities.

    Utter w***ers.

    I think they forgot where their conference was when they leaked the HS2 cancellation idea, and are therefore holding off the announcement.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Jezyboy said:

    rjsterry said:

    Manchester leg of HS2 to be cancelled. At the party conference in Manchester.

    No wonder Hunt flew there.

    Funding to be redistributed to fight the scourge of 15 minute cities.

    Utter w***ers.

    I think they forgot where their conference was when they leaked the HS2 cancellation idea, and are therefore holding off the announcement.
    The venue is a converted railway station.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    So, this is like the blanket 20mph speed limit in Wales?

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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Jezyboy said:

    rjsterry said:

    Manchester leg of HS2 to be cancelled. At the party conference in Manchester.

    No wonder Hunt flew there.

    Funding to be redistributed to fight the scourge of 15 minute cities.

    Utter w***ers.

    I think they forgot where their conference was when they leaked the HS2 cancellation idea, and are therefore holding off the announcement.
    do we know people in Manchester want it built?
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    13 years of government. Can't build one railway.

    You of all people should support this decision as it is the ultimate piece of keynesianism economics.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    briantrumpet said:

    So, this is like the blanket 20mph speed limit in Wales?

    I've never been clear on that in the first place as we reuse takeaway containers. 🤔
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    13 years of government. Can't build one railway.

    You of all people should support this decision as it is the ultimate piece of keynesianism economics.
    ? spell that one out for me.
    _
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,605
    surrey_commuter said:

    Jezyboy said:

    rjsterry said:

    Manchester leg of HS2 to be cancelled. At the party conference in Manchester.

    No wonder Hunt flew there.

    Funding to be redistributed to fight the scourge of 15 minute cities.

    Utter w***ers.

    I think they forgot where their conference was when they leaked the HS2 cancellation idea, and are therefore holding off the announcement.
    do we know people in Manchester want it built?
    Probably, their mayor doesn't seem to be getting attacked for speaking in favour of it.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    13 years of government. Can't build one railway.

    You of all people should support this decision as it is the ultimate piece of keynesianism economics.
    I don't think a 15+ year project can be either side of a response to where we are in an economic cycle.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    pblakeney said:

    briantrumpet said:

    So, this is like the blanket 20mph speed limit in Wales?

    I've never been clear on that in the first place as we reuse takeaway containers. 🤔

    Is that blanket reusement of takeaway containers (i.e, just some of them?)

    I rarely have takeaways (other than the odd fishanchips), but Mackie's ice cream containers are good for fridge & freezer duties.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    edited October 2023
    briantrumpet said:

    pblakeney said:

    briantrumpet said:

    So, this is like the blanket 20mph speed limit in Wales?

    I've never been clear on that in the first place as we reuse takeaway containers. 🤔

    Is that blanket reusement of takeaway containers (i.e, just some of them?)

    I rarely have takeaways (other than the odd fishanchips), but Mackie's ice cream containers are good for fridge & freezer duties.
    We don't have that many, 6 per year maybe, so yes; blanket. 😉
    They don't last forever and get discoloured. I'd also add that they are recyclable.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    And not forgetting a non-ban on mobile phones in schools which brings the government bang up to date with what schools have been doing for about a decade.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    edited October 2023
    kingstongraham said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    13 years of government. Can't build one railway.

    You of all people should support this decision as it is the ultimate piece of keynesianism economics.
    I don't think a 15+ year project can be either side of a response to where we are in an economic cycle.
    They've had the hole digging stage. This is the fill them up bit.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    TheBigBean said:

    kingstongraham said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    13 years of government. Can't build one railway.

    You of all people should support this decision as it is the ultimate piece of keynesianism economics.
    I don't think a 15+ year project can be either side of a response to where we are in an economic cycle.
    They've had the hole digging stage this. This is the fill them up bit.
    Aren't we dependent on which way the ONS revises its statistics whether we want spades in the ground at all?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    rjsterry said:

    And not forgetting a non-ban on mobile phones in schools which brings the government bang up to date with what schools have been doing for about a decade.

    Target audience isn't parents with children in school, clearly.

    Mobiles were banned *when I was in school* and that was 20 years ago now.
    _
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    kingstongraham said:

    TheBigBean said:

    kingstongraham said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    13 years of government. Can't build one railway.

    You of all people should support this decision as it is the ultimate piece of keynesianism economics.
    I don't think a 15+ year project can be either side of a response to where we are in an economic cycle.
    They've had the hole digging stage this. This is the fill them up bit.
    Aren't we dependent on which way the ONS revises its statistics whether we want spades in the ground at all?
    That's always been the problem with the theory. It's not always obvious which stage the economy is in. At the moment, the UK may be in recession, but it's a full employment recession with loads of inflation.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    rick_chasey said:

    rjsterry said:

    And not forgetting a non-ban on mobile phones in schools which brings the government bang up to date with what schools have been doing for about a decade.

    Target audience isn't parents with children in school, clearly.

    Mobiles were banned *when I was in school* and that was 20 years ago now.
    They're not proposing a ban. I don't think I've ever seen so many non-policies announced.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    edited October 2023
    kingstongraham said:

    TheBigBean said:

    kingstongraham said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    13 years of government. Can't build one railway.

    You of all people should support this decision as it is the ultimate piece of keynesianism economics.
    I don't think a 15+ year project can be either side of a response to where we are in an economic cycle.
    They've had the hole digging stage this. This is the fill them up bit.
    Aren't we dependent on which way the ONS revises its statistics whether we want spades in the ground at all?
    It's possible both SC and RC are wrong and it's got F-all to do with economic cycles.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    TheBigBean said:

    kingstongraham said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    13 years of government. Can't build one railway.

    You of all people should support this decision as it is the ultimate piece of keynesianism economics.
    I don't think a 15+ year project can be either side of a response to where we are in an economic cycle.
    They've had the hole digging stage. This is the fill them up bit.

    Maybe that's what Sunak is referring to when he keeps repeating the phrase "We've got spades in the ground" - he just isn't letting on whether they are digging or filling in holes.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    pblakeney said:

    briantrumpet said:

    pblakeney said:

    briantrumpet said:

    So, this is like the blanket 20mph speed limit in Wales?

    I've never been clear on that in the first place as we reuse takeaway containers. 🤔

    Is that blanket reusement of takeaway containers (i.e, just some of them?)

    I rarely have takeaways (other than the odd fishanchips), but Mackie's ice cream containers are good for fridge & freezer duties.
    We don't have that many, 6 per year maybe, so yes; blanket. 😉
    They don't last forever and get discoloured. I'd also add that they are recyclable.

    I think the next logical step will be for Sunak to announce that recycling itself is too woke.
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  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648


    Few things could make me more convinced that they are scrapping it
    - Genesis Croix de Fer
    - Dolan Tuono
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    rjsterry said:

    kingstongraham said:

    TheBigBean said:

    kingstongraham said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    13 years of government. Can't build one railway.

    You of all people should support this decision as it is the ultimate piece of keynesianism economics.
    I don't think a 15+ year project can be either side of a response to where we are in an economic cycle.
    They've had the hole digging stage this. This is the fill them up bit.
    Aren't we dependent on which way the ONS revises its statistics whether we want spades in the ground at all?
    It's possible both SC and RC are wrong and it's got F-all to do with economic cycles.
    Given it's been built over an entire cycle and a half, it's hard to say it's anything to do with cycles.
    _
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    rick_chasey said:

    rjsterry said:

    kingstongraham said:

    TheBigBean said:

    kingstongraham said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    13 years of government. Can't build one railway.

    You of all people should support this decision as it is the ultimate piece of keynesianism economics.
    I don't think a 15+ year project can be either side of a response to where we are in an economic cycle.
    They've had the hole digging stage this. This is the fill them up bit.
    Aren't we dependent on which way the ONS revises its statistics whether we want spades in the ground at all?
    It's possible both SC and RC are wrong and it's got F-all to do with economic cycles.
    Given it's been built over an entire cycle and a half, it's hard to say it's anything to do with cycles.
    You're right, it's a railway so nothing to do with cycles (until it gets decommisioned and turned into a cycleway).
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    13 years of government. Can't build one railway.

    You of all people should support this decision as it is the ultimate piece of keynesianism economics.
    ? spell that one out for me.
    lack of demand in the economy so pay thousands of people to dig a very big hole (or railway line) and then when there is not enough demand in the economy you can stop digging/building
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    TheBigBean said:

    kingstongraham said:

    TheBigBean said:

    kingstongraham said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    13 years of government. Can't build one railway.

    You of all people should support this decision as it is the ultimate piece of keynesianism economics.
    I don't think a 15+ year project can be either side of a response to where we are in an economic cycle.
    They've had the hole digging stage this. This is the fill them up bit.
    Aren't we dependent on which way the ONS revises its statistics whether we want spades in the ground at all?
    That's always been the problem with the theory. It's not always obvious which stage the economy is in. At the moment, the UK may be in recession, but it's a full employment recession with loads of inflation.
    If I thought that counter cyclical spending was a good idea then I would freeze public sector pay in the boom times and then would turn on the taps in a demand led recession.

    All this digging holes and building railway line is very 20th century
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    kingstongraham said:

    TheBigBean said:

    kingstongraham said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    13 years of government. Can't build one railway.

    You of all people should support this decision as it is the ultimate piece of keynesianism economics.
    I don't think a 15+ year project can be either side of a response to where we are in an economic cycle.
    They've had the hole digging stage this. This is the fill them up bit.
    Aren't we dependent on which way the ONS revises its statistics whether we want spades in the ground at all?
    That's always been the problem with the theory. It's not always obvious which stage the economy is in. At the moment, the UK may be in recession, but it's a full employment recession with loads of inflation.
    If I thought that counter cyclical spending was a good idea then I would freeze public sector pay in the boom times and then would turn on the taps in a demand led recession.

    All this digging holes and building railway line is very 20th century
    Very 19th century I would posit.
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,605
    Hmmm simultaneously too modern and too fast, but also too old a form of tech. Almost like some people just don't like it.

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