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  • secretsqirrel
    secretsqirrel Posts: 2,123
    Just goes to show whether your right or wrong if you are clear of thought and message you will earn some respect.

    I didn’t like her policies, but I knew what she was about. I kind of miss that.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited October 2023
    Yeah we are in a sort of post-modern PM world, where they're in power for the sole purpose of being in power, rather than having a strategy for how they think the country should be organised and using the power to execute that.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    secretsqirrel said:

    Just goes to show whether your right or wrong if you are clear of thought and message you will earn some respect.

    I didn’t like her policies, but I knew what she was about. I kind of miss that.

    Too true.
    Sadly I think those days have gone.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    I'd rather have someone useless than wrong.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    edited October 2023
    I see Jeremy Hunt is pretending that the 100,000 people the DWP certified as not fit to work due to disability will magically recover if the screws are tightened just another quarter turn.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited October 2023
    rjsterry said:

    I see Jeremy Hunt is pretending that the 100,000 people the DWP certified as not fit to work due to disability will magically recover if the screws are tightened just another quarter turn.

    Doesn't the UK have one of the highest amounts of long term sick compared to similar countries?

    Almost like chronically underinvesting in healthcare is a false economy. But what would Hunt know about that?
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    kingstongraham said:

    I'd rather have someone useless than wrong.

    Unfortunately ultimately useless = wrong.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    rick_chasey said:

    rjsterry said:

    I see Jeremy Hunt is pretending that the 100,000 people the DWP certified as not fit to work due to disability will magically recover if the screws are tightened just another quarter turn.

    Doesn't the UK have one of the highest amounts of long term sick compared to similar countries?

    Almost like chronically underinvesting in healthcare is a false economy. But what would Hunt know about that?
    It does. The point is they are actually unable to work. It's not a motivational issue.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    rjsterry said:


    It does. The point is they are actually unable to work. It's not a motivational issue.

    For sure but isn't that just right wing ideology boiled down?

    The corollary of people deserving their success is people are deserving of their lack of success.


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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    rick_chasey said:

    rjsterry said:


    It does. The point is they are actually unable to work. It's not a motivational issue.

    For sure but isn't that just right wing ideology boiled down?

    The corollary of people deserving their success is people are deserving of their lack of success.


    Think illness being divine punishment for previous wrongs is more of a pre-Enlightenment view.
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    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    rjsterry said:

    rick_chasey said:

    rjsterry said:

    I see Jeremy Hunt is pretending that the 100,000 people the DWP certified as not fit to work due to disability will magically recover if the screws are tightened just another quarter turn.

    Doesn't the UK have one of the highest amounts of long term sick compared to similar countries?

    Almost like chronically underinvesting in healthcare is a false economy. But what would Hunt know about that?
    It does. The point is they are actually unable to work. It's not a motivational issue.
    No idea what it's like now, but times do change, so the classic example is a miner who is physically injured and therefore can't work in a mine, but can do plenty of other work. A lot in that is motivational - they consider themselves to be a miner and not a call centre worker.

    My info is out of date, but it used to be easier to find prison leavers work than someone who was previously on incapacity benefit.

    That doesn't mean that there aren't cases where the government are pushing too hard.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    This is,at least, a classical left/right wing thing. As I read it, the Tories have identified a huge number of people who were working before Covid and who are not working now. Not unreasonable to suppose that many of them could be working now.

    The policies required to sharpen the rock they are sitting on will inevitably cause hardship to some who are incapacitated to some extent.

    Chose which wrong to right. Not easy.

    My fear in this is that very coarse, dare I say cruel, measures such as telling someone who is just about capable of walking 20 metres that they should stack shelves for a living will come back into vogue dressed up as fair measures to stop scroungers.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    edited October 2023
    More full on nutcase conspiracy theory stuff from a Tory MP.

  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    Deep state billshut. They'll be questioning the validity of the election next.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Another one:

  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    They are edging ever closer to turning themselves into the Republican Party, where truth is an inconvenience, and only belief counts. It's quite something to see a whole UK political party starting to go down that rabbit hole.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    edited October 2023
    briantrumpet said:

    They are edging ever closer to turning themselves into the Republican Party, where truth is an inconvenience, and only belief counts. It's quite something to see a whole UK political party starting to go down that rabbit hole.

    But they don't believe it.
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,605
    I suspect a lot of the Republicans didn't/don't believe half their crap either...

    It's interesting that as a country we are so car dependent that, "you can only drive to here 50 times a year (presumably unless you pay a congestion charge)" apparently means the same as "you can only go here 50 times a year".
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    kingstongraham said:

    Another one:

    The Party of Facebookbollox!

    Apparently the busiest event is everyone crowding in to hear Truss's MAGA-Lite so they are going all in on the cranks.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    kingstongraham said:

    More full on nutcase conspiracy theory stuff from a Tory MP.

    Well if they're not actually running the country then it can't be their fault that it's all gone to sh*t.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    kingstongraham said:

    briantrumpet said:

    They are edging ever closer to turning themselves into the Republican Party, where truth is an inconvenience, and only belief counts. It's quite something to see a whole UK political party starting to go down that rabbit hole.

    But they don't believe it.

    Genuinely interesting where spouting this twaddle actually seeps through into believing it. I suspect it's like drugs, in that they say they can stop at any time, but the daily use of Twaddle alters the brain chemistry enough to render a reverse gear inoperative. It's just easier to carry on taking the drug, until you don't care what's reality.
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  • evil_breakfast
    evil_breakfast Posts: 466
    Bizarre, just bizarre.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/video/news/‘we-need-more-gb-news’-liz-truss-speaks-at-tory-party-conference-in-manchester/vi-AA1hz7GC?ocid=socialshare&t=34

    She really is going full-on delusional.
    You're the light wiping out my batteries; You're the cream in my airport coffee's.
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,605
    evil_breakfast said:

    Bizarre, just bizarre.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/video/news/‘we-need-more-gb-news’-liz-truss-speaks-at-tory-party-conference-in-manchester/vi-AA1hz7GC?ocid=socialshare&t=34

    She really is going full-on delusional.

    How does she not have a shred of self doubt? It's incredible.
  • evil_breakfast
    evil_breakfast Posts: 466
    Jezyboy said:

    evil_breakfast said:

    Bizarre, just bizarre.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/video/news/‘we-need-more-gb-news’-liz-truss-speaks-at-tory-party-conference-in-manchester/vi-AA1hz7GC?ocid=socialshare&t=34

    She really is going full-on delusional.

    How does she not have a shred of self doubt? It's incredible.
    I've worn underpants with more self awareness.

    You're the light wiping out my batteries; You're the cream in my airport coffee's.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    "Make Britain Grow Again"?? Looks somewhat familiar.
  • evil_breakfast
    evil_breakfast Posts: 466

    You're the light wiping out my batteries; You're the cream in my airport coffee's.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    kingstongraham said:

    "Make Britain Grow Again"?? Looks somewhat familiar.


    And "more common sense" is shorthand for "let's not think critically". Still don't know how she got a degree from Oxford.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    Manchester leg of HS2 to be cancelled. At the party conference in Manchester.

    No wonder Hunt flew there.

    Funding to be redistributed to fight the scourge of 15 minute cities.

    Utter w***ers.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    briantrumpet said:

    kingstongraham said:

    "Make Britain Grow Again"?? Looks somewhat familiar.


    And "more common sense" is shorthand for "let's not think critically". Still don't know how she got a degree from Oxford.
    I think a PPE degree probably rewards people with stupid theoretical ideas that don't work in the real world and the more high profile the Uni offering the course the worse it becomes. LSE seems to churn out complete loonies on the Leftie side from what I can tell.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    rjsterry said:

    Manchester leg of HS2 to be cancelled. At the party conference in Manchester.

    No wonder Hunt flew there.

    Funding to be redistributed to fight the scourge of 15 minute cities.

    Utter w***ers.


    Will Lindsay Hoyle be cross (but not do anything) again?
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