LEAVE the Conservative Party and save your country!

kingstongraham · September 2023

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

Jezyboy said:

kingstongraham said:

Jezyboy said:

kingstongraham said:

Jezyboy said:
Otoh, her comments are clearly ridiculous. Someone who's entire identity is a whacking great mix of "multiculturalism", saying it doesn't work...

I don't believe her identity is anything to do with multiculturalism at all. It's pretty close to being the opposite of it.
As previously pointed out she's a second generation immigrant married to someone of a different religious minority...pretty multicultural no?

That's the complete opposite of multiculturalism. I think the issue might be the misunderstanding of the concept.
Is multiculturalism not a hodge podge and best of both/all worlds type concept.

I'd suggest that marrying outside of your diaspora, whilst keeping your own religion, but also becoming a successful member of establishment professions, is quite multicultural.
Multiculturalism is separate cultural or ethnic groups coexisting alongside each other without having to change their social practices or necessarily integrating with the dominant culture.

That is absolutely not her background. The "melting pot" is exactly what multiculturalism is not.
This discussion is the whole point.

People are making assumptions on her political persuasion because of her background and what she looks like.

But she has not said anything about multiculturalism that contradicts with her own story. It's just that people don't seem to know what it is.

pblakeney · September 2023

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

Stevo_666 said:
This 'millenial expenses calculator' will make @surrey_commuter happy:
https://telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/how-much-save-ditching-netflix-lattes/
"Over 10 years, you could save £61,200."
🤣🤣🤣
Very good of them to suggest if I never go on holiday, never spend any money on clothes or any "entertainment" I can save £150k over 10 years.

Miserable gits.
Clearly it's up to everyone to decide how far they want/need to go. Would it not be useful for you as I thought you were looking to buy a bigger house?
Just have a think about it for a fraction of a second, Stevo.

I could save well over £50k over 10 years just not going into the office, but I think we can all recognise that would be a loss making exercise.

People are taking it seriously? 🤣🤣🤣
It's a nice illustration of how to save money but the examples are just silly.

Jezyboy · September 2023

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

Jezyboy said:

kingstongraham said:

Jezyboy said:

kingstongraham said:

Jezyboy said:
Otoh, her comments are clearly ridiculous. Someone who's entire identity is a whacking great mix of "multiculturalism", saying it doesn't work...

I don't believe her identity is anything to do with multiculturalism at all. It's pretty close to being the opposite of it.
As previously pointed out she's a second generation immigrant married to someone of a different religious minority...pretty multicultural no?

That's the complete opposite of multiculturalism. I think the issue might be the misunderstanding of the concept.
Is multiculturalism not a hodge podge and best of both/all worlds type concept.

I'd suggest that marrying outside of your diaspora, whilst keeping your own religion, but also becoming a successful member of establishment professions, is quite multicultural.
Multiculturalism is separate cultural or ethnic groups coexisting alongside each other without having to change their social practices or necessarily integrating with the dominant culture.

That is absolutely not her background. The "melting pot" is exactly what multiculturalism is not.
This discussion is the whole point.

People are making assumptions on her political persuasion because of her background and what she looks like.

It would be interesting to see how the debate would go if a white home secretary said this stuff...

I'm not sure the "melting pot" is exactly the opposite of multiculturalism tbh. I'd argue that in order to have a melting pot, you need to respect and allow cultural differences (which is part of multiculturalism), which then over time becomes part of the dominant culture, which is the "melting pot".

Forcing integration integration into the culture is no melting pot at all.

Of course this is largely predisposed on their being some kind of easily identifiable British culture, which is frankly a load of rubbish.

pblakeney · September 2023

Jezyboy said:

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Of course this is largely predisposed on there being some kind of easily identifiable British culture, which is frankly a load of rubbish.

Now there's a challenge. Can anyone clearly define British culture?
I can't.

Jezyboy · September 2023

pblakeney said:

Jezyboy said:

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Of course this is largely predisposed on there being some kind of easily identifiable British culture, which is frankly a load of rubbish.

Now there's a challenge. Can anyone clearly define British culture?
I can't.

Footy, 10 pints and a fight!

pblakeney · September 2023

Jezyboy said:

pblakeney said:

Jezyboy said:

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Of course this is largely predisposed on there being some kind of easily identifiable British culture, which is frankly a load of rubbish.

Now there's a challenge. Can anyone clearly define British culture?
I can't.
Footy, 10 pints and a fight!

Guess I'm not British enough. Oh well...

rjsterry · September 2023

Jezyboy said:

pblakeney said:

Jezyboy said:

...
Of course this is largely predisposed on there being some kind of easily identifiable British culture, which is frankly a load of rubbish.

Now there's a challenge. Can anyone clearly define British culture?
I can't.
Footy, 10 pints and a fight!

Not even specific to Britain.

Apparently, Sunak believes driving at 30mph is inherently British 🤪

TheBigBean · September 2023

Jezyboy said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

Jezyboy said:

kingstongraham said:

Jezyboy said:

kingstongraham said:

Jezyboy said:
Otoh, her comments are clearly ridiculous. Someone who's entire identity is a whacking great mix of "multiculturalism", saying it doesn't work...

I don't believe her identity is anything to do with multiculturalism at all. It's pretty close to being the opposite of it.
As previously pointed out she's a second generation immigrant married to someone of a different religious minority...pretty multicultural no?

That's the complete opposite of multiculturalism. I think the issue might be the misunderstanding of the concept.
Is multiculturalism not a hodge podge and best of both/all worlds type concept.

I'd suggest that marrying outside of your diaspora, whilst keeping your own religion, but also becoming a successful member of establishment professions, is quite multicultural.
Multiculturalism is separate cultural or ethnic groups coexisting alongside each other without having to change their social practices or necessarily integrating with the dominant culture.

That is absolutely not her background. The "melting pot" is exactly what multiculturalism is not.
This discussion is the whole point.

People are making assumptions on her political persuasion because of her background and what she looks like.
It would be interesting to see how the debate would go if a white home secretary said this stuff...

I'm not sure the "melting pot" is exactly the opposite of multiculturalism tbh. I'd argue that in order to have a melting pot, you need to respect and allow cultural differences (which is part of multiculturalism), which then over time becomes part of the dominant culture, which is the "melting pot".

Forcing integration integration into the culture is no melting pot at all.

Of course this is largely predisposed on their being some kind of easily identifiable British culture, which is frankly a load of rubbish.

My experience is that many people can be more critical of their own backgrounds than others would be. For example, while I talk up freedom, liberty and tolerance, I struggle to tolerate a lot of the bigotry that comes out of middle England (the tolerance paradox), but I'm more forgiving when it comes from elsewhere. Similarly, a friend of mine is very critical of a lot of muslims, because that is his background.

rjsterry · September 2023

TheBigBean said:

Jezyboy said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

Jezyboy said:

kingstongraham said:

Jezyboy said:

kingstongraham said:

Jezyboy said:
Otoh, her comments are clearly ridiculous. Someone who's entire identity is a whacking great mix of "multiculturalism", saying it doesn't work...

I don't believe her identity is anything to do with multiculturalism at all. It's pretty close to being the opposite of it.
As previously pointed out she's a second generation immigrant married to someone of a different religious minority...pretty multicultural no?

That's the complete opposite of multiculturalism. I think the issue might be the misunderstanding of the concept.
Is multiculturalism not a hodge podge and best of both/all worlds type concept.

I'd suggest that marrying outside of your diaspora, whilst keeping your own religion, but also becoming a successful member of establishment professions, is quite multicultural.
Multiculturalism is separate cultural or ethnic groups coexisting alongside each other without having to change their social practices or necessarily integrating with the dominant culture.

That is absolutely not her background. The "melting pot" is exactly what multiculturalism is not.
This discussion is the whole point.

People are making assumptions on her political persuasion because of her background and what she looks like.
It would be interesting to see how the debate would go if a white home secretary said this stuff...

I'm not sure the "melting pot" is exactly the opposite of multiculturalism tbh. I'd argue that in order to have a melting pot, you need to respect and allow cultural differences (which is part of multiculturalism), which then over time becomes part of the dominant culture, which is the "melting pot".

Forcing integration integration into the culture is no melting pot at all.

Of course this is largely predisposed on their being some kind of easily identifiable British culture, which is frankly a load of rubbish.

My experience is that many people can be more critical of their own backgrounds than others would be. For example, while I talk up freedom, liberty and tolerance, I struggle to tolerate a lot of the bigotry that comes out of middle England (the tolerance paradox), but I'm more forgiving when it comes from elsewhere. Similarly, a friend of mine is very critical of a lot of muslims, because that is his background.

If a lot of criticism comes from ignorance, being from the social group that you are criticising gives a strong indication that your opinion is well informed.

shirley_basso · September 2023

rjsterry said:

Jezyboy said:

pblakeney said:

Jezyboy said:

...
Of course this is largely predisposed on there being some kind of easily identifiable British culture, which is frankly a load of rubbish.

Now there's a challenge. Can anyone clearly define British culture?
I can't.
Footy, 10 pints and a fight!
Not even specific to Britain.

Apparently, Sunak believes driving at 30mph is inherently British 🤪

I saw this.

I wonder what would happen if mandatory seat belts were brought in as law today

Jezyboy · September 2023

rjsterry said:

Jezyboy said:

pblakeney said:

Jezyboy said:

...
Of course this is largely predisposed on there being some kind of easily identifiable British culture, which is frankly a load of rubbish.

Now there's a challenge. Can anyone clearly define British culture?
I can't.
Footy, 10 pints and a fight!
Not even specific to Britain.

Apparently, Sunak believes driving at 30mph is inherently British 🤪

Given many other countries use Kilometers and Americans love to have speed limits ending in 5 rather than 0 maybe he's right!

briantrumpet · September 2023

Maybe the solution would be to have a speed limit of 30km/h in built-up areas.

orraloon · September 2023

"Sunak believes...". Sunak is a puppet, belief is irrelevant where there is little or no brain.

tailwindhome · September 2023

rjsterry said:

Jezyboy said:

pblakeney said:

Jezyboy said:

...
Of course this is largely predisposed on there being some kind of easily identifiable British culture, which is frankly a load of rubbish.

Now there's a challenge. Can anyone clearly define British culture?
I can't.
Footy, 10 pints and a fight!
Not even specific to Britain.

Apparently, Sunak believes driving at 30mph is inherently British 🤪

I'd say driving at 40, irrespective of the limit, is the British way

First.Aspect · September 2023

briantrumpet said:
Maybe the solution would be to have a speed limit of 30km/h in built-up areas.

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First.Aspect · September 2023

tailwindhome said:

rjsterry said:

Jezyboy said:

pblakeney said:

Jezyboy said:

...
Of course this is largely predisposed on there being some kind of easily identifiable British culture, which is frankly a load of rubbish.

Now there's a challenge. Can anyone clearly define British culture?
I can't.
Footy, 10 pints and a fight!
Not even specific to Britain.

Apparently, Sunak believes driving at 30mph is inherently British 🤪
I'd say driving at 40, irrespective of the limit, is the British way

Past a certain age, 40mph is least likely to result in points. Except on the motorway, where you need to do 50.

briantrumpet · September 2023

First.Aspect said:

briantrumpet said:
Maybe the solution would be to have a speed limit of 30km/h in built-up areas.
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I quite like round numbers, and the fact that it would be slightly less than 20mph, which would serve them right.

Stevo_666 · September 2023

Let's not forget that the police policy is only to prosecute based on 10% + 2mph. So for example where the limit is 70, you will only get done at 79mph. Tacit recognition that most limits are too low?

Pross · September 2023

No, just allowance for tolerances on speedos and for slight lapses to avoid the ‘constantly watching the Speedo’ that some apparently need to do.

super_davo · September 2023

Pross said:
No, just allowance for tolerances on speedos and for slight lapses to avoid the ‘constantly watching the Speedo’ that some apparently need to do.

It also isn't true. I had points given for going at 77 (first and only time) and I know of others that had them at 75. Anacdotally there are allowances for mobile cameras vs fixed because the former are less accurate. But relying on 79 being OK these days is asking for trouble, especially with the amount of fixed cameras on motorways.

Pross · September 2023

super_davo said:

Pross said:
No, just allowance for tolerances on speedos and for slight lapses to avoid the ‘constantly watching the Speedo’ that some apparently need to do.
It also isn't true. I had points given for going at 77 (first and only time) and I know of others that had them at 75. Anacdotally there are allowances for mobile cameras vs fixed because the former are less accurate. But relying on 79 being OK these days is asking for trouble, especially with the amount of fixed cameras on motorways.

It is the ACPO policy https://library.college.police.uk/docs/appref/ACPO-Speed-Enforcement-Guidance.pdf and the tolerance is actually slightly higher at speeds over 60mph. That said it is guidance so not compulsory.

pblakeney · September 2023

People in this country can't differentiate between guidance, rules and law.
Covid era proved this beyond doubt.

rick_chasey · September 2023

Nor do the rozzers

rick_chasey · September 2023

Increasingly thinking sunak is just a wannabe us Republican

First.Aspect · September 2023

I am not sure what he actually stands for, but I'm fairly sure he's not peddling this bilge for any reason other than votes.

There is no chance whatsoever he will be prime minister after the next election. This strategy is about having enough seats left to be a halfway useful opposition.

It is possible that we will then find out what the post Brexit Tory party really is. More likely they will go through a few more cycles of being the Gammon party or a Thatcher tribute band, before someone comes through with a modicum of independent thinking.