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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,843
    Rolf F wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    McC from Labour is talking up them forming a minority government, without any other party!

    WTF!

    So Labour are significantly behind Tories such that they'd need all the other parties of which most don't want coalition and the DUP who are Tory in northern Ireland I think. His grand idea is to form this minority government then put programme out there and rely on picking up MPs from other parties for each vote.

    Sorry but if any government should try that it should be the one that's only 8 off a majority. McC doesn't instil trust in a Labour government. I could learn to accept a Corbyn government if McC wasn't involved in any way.
    You have to hand it to the leftie losers for acting as if they had won.

    Indeed - it is a dismal defeat but these are weird times and I don't suppose it will be portrayed like that anywhere - at least for a while.
    This is a world where Trump supporters tell the world that Comey's testimony yesterday completely vindicated Trump. We seem to be in a world where it's fine to claim that red is blue.
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  • Ben6899
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    Only a true Tory wouldn't see the significance of this result.

    I'm honestly not going to bother explaining why I, as a Labour voter, see this as a moral victory.
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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Moral victories don't count for much I'm afraid. Except in leftie lalaland.

    Sorry channelling my inner Stevo/Tory! :D
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    BelgianBeerGeek wrote:
    orraloon wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    I wonder what her next meaningless platitude will be?
    Winning is winning
    Ooh, good game.

    Stable means stable.
    Decisive means decisive.
    A deal is a deal.
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  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Ben6899 wrote:
    Only a true Tory wouldn't see the significance of this result.

    I'm honestly not going to bother explaining why I, as a Labour voter, see this as a moral victory.

    I wish you would. I did vote Labour in the end though in many ways felt bad about doing so as I think Corbyn an unprincipled individual who has a lot of the blame for Brexit on his shoulders and that I won't forgive (I don't buy the stories of how utterly lovely and principled he is just as I didn't buy all the smear stories either). I was pleased that our (Tory) MPs majority was cut from 5000 to 331 and hope that in next years general election the labour candidate will get in. But Labour would have won had it not been for Corbyn and if I thought he could get a real majority I would think long and hard before I chose not to switch my vote to Liberal. TM needs to go, Corbyn needs to go. They both lost.
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  • bendertherobot
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    SNP abandoning Indyref now. (Informal, but all but formal)
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  • slowbike
    slowbike Posts: 8,498
    Rolf F wrote:
    Ben6899 wrote:
    Only a true Tory wouldn't see the significance of this result.

    I'm honestly not going to bother explaining why I, as a Labour voter, see this as a moral victory.

    I wish you would. I did vote Labour in the end though in many ways felt bad about doing so <snip>. TM needs to go, Corbyn needs to go. They both lost.
    I voted Labour too - the next biggest party in my area - Labour picked up quite a good %age of the vote - but still way too low to even be a contender for the safe tory seat - Labour would need to double their votes and take them from Tory if they were to stand a chance of winning.

    I hope that the double digit increase in the Labour vote in this area will make the Tory MP take a good look at why the Labour vote increased. the tory vote increased by 2.5% though - so perhaps she wont.
  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    Bow group call for leadership contest
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,335
    B-itch stays, but for how long?
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  • mr_goo
    mr_goo Posts: 3,770
    What about another Gen Election this year? Is that a possibilty given that it looks likely that nothing will get thru the House. ?
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,046
    Are there some forum bets to be settled?
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,245
    Kensington goes to a third recount - Labour apparently ahead by a few dozen votes. That Kensington.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,335
    Mr Goo wrote:
    What about another Gen Election this year? Is that a possibilty given that it looks likely that nothing will get thru the House. ?

    It would be up to the PM to call it and she's too scared... whoever is going to take over is going to be too scared. They have to deliver something to show the public... my guess is either a goverment stays for 5 years or they'll have another go in a couple of years if they get a hahlf decent exit deal

    Either way, it's not looking good for the Tories... they burned all their candles
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  • rjsterry
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    Stevo 666 wrote:
    ...
    Fair point. Reality is that it is a win for nobody.
    ...
    That's as close as we're going to get isn't it ;)
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  • surrey_commuter
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    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    ...
    Fair point. Reality is that it is a win for nobody.
    ...
    That's as close as we're going to get isn't it ;)

    I am sure he will bring Coopster out to play later on - probably after a couple of lunchtime drinks
  • bendertherobot
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    Nigel Evans has just crucified his own party on TV. Massive criticism of manifesto and having to defend it and having to stop attacking labour during that period.

    Isn't that rather how things should work?
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  • meanredspider
    meanredspider Posts: 12,337
    I'll be very satisfied if the poisoned dwarf in Scotland steps aside.

    Tactical error of May (amongst many) to call an election during university term time.
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  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    So what have we learned?

    The whole thing played into Corbyn's hands - he's actually quite good at wowing adoring crowds of the faithful with promises of handing out free lunch to everyone that only those old, mean, Tory rich people will have to pay for.

    On the other hand, it didn't play into May's strengths, which are... which are... let me get back to you on that one.
  • joe2008
    joe2008 Posts: 1,531
    meanredspider wrote:
    I'll be very satisfied if the poisoned dwarf in Scotland steps aside.

    Where's she hiding?
  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    Nigel Evans is seriously laying this, quite rightly, at the feet of the manifesto. No one presses him on what the solution to that error is but, it seems, don't say stuff in a manifesto.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,046
    I feel like there is some money to be made on Betfair. Key question: will DUP have someone in the cabinet?
  • mrfpb
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    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    What about another Gen Election this year? Is that a possibilty given that it looks likely that nothing will get thru the House. ?


    It would be up to the PM to call it and she's too scared... whoever is going to take over is going to be too scared. They have to deliver something to show the public... my guess is either a goverment stays for 5 years or they'll have another go in a couple of years if they get a hahlf decent exit deal

    Vote of no confidence in the government requires a simple majority.

    Then the PM has 2 weeks to form a government that can pass a vote of confidence.

    If not then a general election takes place on a date of the PM's choosing.

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/201 ... /2/enacted
  • pblakeney
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    joe2008 wrote:
    meanredspider wrote:
    I'll be very satisfied if the poisoned dwarf in Scotland steps aside.

    Where's she hiding?
    Flip side to that.
    What would TM give to have that majority?
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  • mrfpb
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    bendertherobot wrote:
    Nigel Evans is seriously laying this, quite rightly, at the feet of the manifesto. No one presses him on what the solution to that error is but, it seems, don't say stuff in a manifesto.

    Well Ben Gummer, manifesto author, lost his seat. So he won't be making that mistake again.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,335
    bompington wrote:
    So what have we learned?

    The whole thing played into Corbyn's hands - he's actually quite good at wowing adoring crowds of the faithful with promises of handing out free lunch to everyone that only those old, mean, Tory rich people will have to pay for.

    On the other hand, it didn't play into May's strengths, which are... which are... let me get back to you on that one.

    Looking at who is there, I think the only senior Tory who can stand up to Corbyn in an election is BoJo... prbolem is whether he has any support within the party. He is the only one with a track record of leading successful election campaigns... he ran 3 he won 3...

    The rest are losers...
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  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    David Davis.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,335
    FocusZing wrote:
    David Davis.

    Is he not a hard brexit boy?

    Hard brexit is out
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  • BelgianBeerGeek
    BelgianBeerGeek Posts: 5,226
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    What about another Gen Election this year? Is that a possibilty given that it looks likely that nothing will get thru the House. ?

    It would be up to the PM to call it and she's too scared... whoever is going to take over is going to be too scared. They have to deliver something to show the public... my guess is either a goverment stays for 5 years or they'll have another go in a couple of years if they get a hahlf decent exit deal

    Either way, it's not looking good for the Tories... they burned all their candles
    TM won't fight another GE. The Tories won't let her do that again. Just a question of when she steps down now, and who replaces her and when.
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  • BelgianBeerGeek
    BelgianBeerGeek Posts: 5,226
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    David Davis.

    Is he not a hard brexit boy?

    Hard brexit is out
    David Davis is apparently the one who talked TM into this :lol:
    Hard Brexit is the only Brexit.
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  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    bompington wrote:
    So what have we learned?

    The whole thing played into Corbyn's hands - he's actually quite good at wowing adoring crowds of the faithful with promises of handing out free lunch to everyone that only those old, mean, Tory rich people will have to pay for.

    On the other hand, it didn't play into May's strengths, which are... which are... let me get back to you on that one.

    Looking at who is there, I think the only senior Tory who can stand up to Corbyn in an election is BoJo... prbolem is whether he has any support within the party. He is the only one with a track record of leading successful election campaigns... he ran 3 he won 3...

    The rest are losers...
    Of course May managed to win the hot seat mainly by staying very quiet during the referendum.

    Come to think of it, haven't seen much of Boris lately...

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