snap general election?

kingstongraham

Do we need a new thread for the next one?

tailwindhome

In Northern Ireland the Ulster Unionists and SDLP have been wiped out by the DUP and Sinn Fein

Pross

ben@31 wrote:

Pross wrote:

Can you name me one country where communism has been tried and resulted in anything other than a powerful elite whilst large parts of the country remained poor?

Just like we have now in the UK and USA?

People never mention the successful socialist nations like Norway. Do you class China as communist, as it has one of the worlds fastest growing economies?

A classic case of moving goal posts there, I wasn't arguing all is rosy in capitalist democracies just responding to your assertion that Communism works for the benefit of the 99% and hasn't been given a chance. You then started talking about socialism instead, I would expect a left winger to really differentiate between the two. As for China, I would suggest their growth is due to them turning into one of the most capitalist nations there is and it has resulted in them dragging a substantial amount of 'ordinary' people out of poverty and made many ridiculously wealthy. Not exactly in keeping with the principles of the Communism you want given a chance.

rick_chasey

David Davies says no mandate for leaving customs union or single market.



Fingers f*cking crossed.

Pross

Can anyone think of a sitting PM making such a catastrophic decision for their party? Surely she has to resign? DUP hold the key, I assume they aren't huge fans of Brexit so maybe we will get a softer option now.

Zachary very close to losing his seat!

sungod

Pross wrote:

Can anyone think of a sitting PM making such a catastrophic decision for their party? Surely she has to resign? DUP hold the key, I assume they aren't huge fans of Brexit so maybe we will get a softer option now.

Zachary very close to losing his seat!

well, there's cameron, though he went one worse and screwed the whole country rather than the party

deep disappointment that zg hung on

kingstongraham

Zac wins by 45 votes. Labour get over 5,000 votes in the constituency.

surrey_commuter

Pross wrote:

Can anyone think of a sitting PM making such a catastrophic decision for their party? Surely she has to resign? DUP hold the key, I assume they aren't huge fans of Brexit so maybe we will get a softer option now.

Zachary very close to losing his seat!

Cameron is a good example of a PM making a catastrophic decision.

DUP are fervently in favour of Brexit - I have no idea what demands they will have

Matthewfalle

The beginning of a new era - Brother Jeremy and Sister Leanne will lead us all forward to a new and brighter future sans Tory fascists.

crispybug2

Pross wrote:

Can anyone think of a sitting PM making such a catastrophic decision for their party? Surely she has to resign? DUP hold the key, I assume they aren't huge fans of Brexit so maybe we will get a softer option now.

Zachary very close to losing his seat!

Cameron with his pointless UKIP appeasing referendum is pretty close!

But for this election May has, in seven weeks, taken what was in effect a Tory majority of about a hundred (going on the polls at the start of campaigning) and completely blown it! I thought that May came across really poorly during the campaign but I never imagined that it would be so catastrophic!!

chris_bass

Pross wrote:

Can anyone think of a sitting PM making such a catastrophic decision for their party? Surely she has to resign? DUP hold the key, I assume they aren't huge fans of Brexit so maybe we will get a softer option now.

Zachary very close to losing his seat!

I think the decision wasn't a bad one at the time. If you go back to when it was called no one could see anything other than the conservatives gaining a lot of seats the problem came when they completely ballsed up the campaign. Bad decision after bad decision then u-turn after u-turn and theresa may not being believable or appearing on the debates is what killed them.*


*I know they still technically won

orraloon

Incredible lack of judgement or incredible hutzpah by the Maybot.

Exposed herself to scrutiny, exposed herself as personality-lite, indecisive, afraid of open debate, and limited to repeating meaningless soundbites.

Strong and stable leadership, her axse.

bendertherobot

I wonder where we'd have ended up without the Indyref distraction......

bianchimoon

Just watching redwood saying its a mandate for a strong brexit as the vast majority of the vote was for parties pro brexit con and lab!!! Always knew he lived in a parallel universe but wtf :roll:

joe2008

Chris Bass wrote:

Pross wrote:

Can anyone think of a sitting PM making such a catastrophic decision for their party? Surely she has to resign? DUP hold the key, I assume they aren't huge fans of Brexit so maybe we will get a softer option now.

Zachary very close to losing his seat!

I think the decision wasn't a bad one at the time. If you go back to when it was called no one could see anything other than the conservatives gaining a lot of seats the problem came when they completely ballsed up the campaign. Bad decision after bad decision then u-turn after u-turn and theresa may not being believable or appearing on the debates is what killed them.*


*I know they still technically won

Technically they didn't win.

rjsterry

Surprised at Richmond Park going back to Zac given his opposition to a third runway clearly counts for nothing.

Mind you with the mess we have now a third runway is way way down the list of problems.

bendertherobot

rjsterry wrote:

Surprised at Richmond Park going back to Zac given his opposition to a third runway clearly counts for nothing.

Mind you with the mess we have now a third runway is way way down the list of problems.

I'm not a fan of withdrawing from running, in a democracy, but if labour had pulled out that would be LD.

StillGoing

Matthewfalle wrote:

The beginning of a new era - Brother Jeremy and Sister Leanne will lead us all forward to a new and brighter future sans Tory fascists.

How do you work that out? Labour haven't won the election either and have lost much of their coalition strength with the loss of so many seats in Scotland. The Tories will continue in power, albeit under difficult circumstances.

rolf_f

Somebody give Stevo and his Landslide a big hug.......

bendertherobot

Will be interesting to see google's search results for 'what is Northern Ireland' today......

surrey_commuter

rjsterry wrote:

Surprised at Richmond Park going back to Zac given his opposition to a third runway clearly counts for nothing.

Mind you with the mess we have now a third runway is way way down the list of problems.

So correct me if I am wrong. He left the Tory Party on a point of principle over the 3rd runway. His he felt so strongly that he resigned his seat and forced a by-election which he lost. Literally a few months later he reappears as the Tory Party candidate for the same constituency. Despite it being a pro remain seat and him being an ardent Leaver he won his seat back.

It does make you wonder whether the proverbial monkey Ina blue rosette would have won a bigger majority.

surrey_commuter

bendertherobot wrote:

Will be interesting to see google's search results for 'what is Northern Ireland' today......

TM will need all of her strength and stability to negotiate with that lot.

I wonder what her next meaningless platitude will be?
Winning is winning

orraloon

Surrey Commuter wrote:

I wonder what her next meaningless platitude will be?
Winning is winning

Ooh, good game.

Stable means stable.
Decisive means decisive.
A deal is a deal.
Boys' jobs and girls' jobs

veronese68

rjsterry wrote:

Surprised at Richmond Park going back to Zac given his opposition to a third runway clearly counts for nothing.

Mind you with the mess we have now a third runway is way way down the list of problems.

I think it was more a resurgence of Labour than a swing to Conservative/Zac. Apparently in the by-election some wouldn't vote for him because he wasn't wearing a blue badge, even though they sanctioned him. But more importantly, last time Labour got 1,500 votes whilst this time they got 5,000. My son wanted to vote Labour, but went Lib Dem as Labour didn't stand a chance in the area. Shame 46 more people didn't think that way.

BelgianBeerGeek

orraloon wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

I wonder what her next meaningless platitude will be?
Winning is winning

Ooh, good game.

Stable means stable.
Decisive means decisive.
A deal is a deal.
Boys' jobs and girls' jobs

Time to come together...one nation...going forward...strong...blah,blah,blah
Lame duck PM TM

tangled_metal

McC from Labour is talking up them forming a minority government, without any other party!

WTF!

So Labour are significantly behind Tories such that they'd need all the other parties of which most don't want coalition and the DUP who are Tory in northern Ireland I think. His grand idea is to form this minority government then put programme out there and rely on picking up MPs from other parties for each vote.

Sorry but if any government should try that it should be the one that's only 8 off a majority. McC doesn't instil trust in a Labour government. I could learn to accept a Corbyn government if McC wasn't involved in any way.

BelgianBeerGeek

Tangled Metal wrote:

McC from Labour is talking up them forming a minority government, without any other party!

WTF!

So Labour are significantly behind Tories such that they'd need all the other parties of which most don't want coalition and the DUP who are Tory in northern Ireland I think. His grand idea is to form this minority government then put programme out there and rely on picking up MPs from other parties for each vote.

Sorry but if any government should try that it should be the one that's only 8 off a majority. McC doesn't instil trust in a Labour government. I could learn to accept a Corbyn government if McC wasn't involved in any way.

You can forgive them getting a bit carried away. They have had a fair success and are on a bit of a roll, so they will talk it up. What else would you expect them to do?

Stevo_666

Tangled Metal wrote:

McC from Labour is talking up them forming a minority government, without any other party!

WTF!

So Labour are significantly behind Tories such that they'd need all the other parties of which most don't want coalition and the DUP who are Tory in northern Ireland I think. His grand idea is to form this minority government then put programme out there and rely on picking up MPs from other parties for each vote.

Sorry but if any government should try that it should be the one that's only 8 off a majority. McC doesn't instil trust in a Labour government. I could learn to accept a Corbyn government if McC wasn't involved in any way.

You have to hand it to the leftie losers for acting as if they had won.

rolf_f

Stevo 666 wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

McC from Labour is talking up them forming a minority government, without any other party!

WTF!

So Labour are significantly behind Tories such that they'd need all the other parties of which most don't want coalition and the DUP who are Tory in northern Ireland I think. His grand idea is to form this minority government then put programme out there and rely on picking up MPs from other parties for each vote.

Sorry but if any government should try that it should be the one that's only 8 off a majority. McC doesn't instil trust in a Labour government. I could learn to accept a Corbyn government if McC wasn't involved in any way.

You have to hand it to the leftie losers for acting as if they had won.

Indeed - it is a dismal defeat but these are weird times and I don't suppose it will be portrayed like that anywhere - at least for a while.

Stevo_666

Rolf F wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

McC from Labour is talking up them forming a minority government, without any other party!

WTF!

So Labour are significantly behind Tories such that they'd need all the other parties of which most don't want coalition and the DUP who are Tory in northern Ireland I think. His grand idea is to form this minority government then put programme out there and rely on picking up MPs from other parties for each vote.

Sorry but if any government should try that it should be the one that's only 8 off a majority. McC doesn't instil trust in a Labour government. I could learn to accept a Corbyn government if McC wasn't involved in any way.

You have to hand it to the leftie losers for acting as if they had won.

Indeed - it is a dismal defeat but these are weird times and I don't suppose it will be portrayed like that anywhere - at least for a while.

Fair point. Reality is that it is a win for nobody.

It will make things even more interesting and unpredictable however. Luckily the answer at work is no immediate remedial work needed. And on the plus side personally, nobody is going to raid my bank account any time soon