snap general election?

graeme_s-2

Rick Chasey wrote:

Also, why do people think young people, under 25, were so much more energised to turn out and vote?

I get the "they were promised no tuition fees" but anyone who is already voting age will still have to pay them regardless.

18 year olds going to Uni in October wouldn't have done.

But you're right, the rest would. I can see current students supporting no fees for the students who follow them though.

rick_chasey

It's not like the blue rinse brigade don't vote for pension increases year after year.

FocusZing

May off soon to get a b0llocking from the Queen.

mfin

Remember a lot of young people are energised by seeing stark things happen they don't want or don't like. They see Brexit, when they didn't want it. They see Trump and they don't want idiots around like that. They see politics resulting in simple easy-to-digest things happening like this and start connecting more when they realise or think their vote can affect things.

It is a fantastic thing that they've turned out so strongly, let's hope it continues.

Tuition Fees is difficult to say, my daughter and her friends would have benefitted, I think they all voted Labour, but her for one did not agree with scrapping tuition fees at all. Of course, she's probably not the norm there.

Also, you have to look at Social Media. It was saturated with vocal Labour content, painting dumbed down fair against unfair arguments. It is much easier to have an opinion on these than to understand any basics of the workings of the economy. Social Media content will have played a big part, as would peer pressure.

mrfpb

FocusZing wrote:

May off soon to get a b0llocking from the Queen.

She is the Queens 13th PM. Unlucky for some.

Jez mon

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Jez mon wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Corbyn vows to keep single market, gets a vote upswing.

Go figure.

Corbyn's uplift in the votes was nothing to do with his Brexit stance and everything to do with his promised give-aways. It's the same old labour spending money they don't and would not have.

Keep believing the above though and the Lib Dums will be out of the picture for a few decades more.

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016 ... -70-years/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Murphy_(tax_campaigner)

Way too easy to shoot down your argument.

Read this and learn why Corbynomics will not work - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve

My argument is that the attitude of "classic labour borrowing more than they have" is a bit of a fallacy. Both parties have borrowed extensively, historically, the Tories have contributed more to the national debt than Labour.

The laffer curve has nothing to do with it.

rick_chasey

Not an ounce of contrition from May in that speech.

I wonder how much money NI is getting for it.

TheBigBean

Rick Chasey wrote:

Not an ounce of contrition from May in that speech.

I wonder how much money NI is getting for it.

You want a pound of flesh too?

Clegg still hasn't found any either. Apparently, he lived by the sword, and that's the reason he lost.

rick_chasey

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Not an ounce of contrition from May in that speech.

I wonder how much money NI is getting for it.

You want a pound of flesh too?

Clegg still hasn't found any either. Apparently, he lived by the sword, and that's the reason he lost.

I thought his resignation speech in the last election was very contrite.

kingstongraham

Rick Chasey wrote:

Also, why do people think young people, under 25, were so much more energised to turn out and vote?

I get the "they were promised no tuition fees" but anyone who is already voting age will still have to pay them regardless.

No they wouldn't, under Labour's plans. Those part way through their course would pay no further fees for the remainder of their course. And Corbyn hinted that he would look at doing something for those who paid the fees since 2012.

Stevo_666

Tories still in power...

Add to that a few little bits of icing on the cake like Salmond losing his seat, Sturgeon losing over 1/3 of hers and it's not such a bad day

neiltb

spin it how you want, it was a humiliating day for the tories, 6 weeks ago, all smiles and expecting a huge majority.

Now your sucking up to the DUP, if only they would work with others.

kingstongraham

Just re-reading Theresa May's statement when calling the election.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39630009

I can only conclude we now need an election.

rjsterry

Stevo 666 wrote:

Tories still in power...

Add to that a few little bits of icing on the cake like Salmond losing his seat, Sturgeon losing over 1/3 of hers and it's not such a bad day

TM putting a brave face on it, but claiming her government will provide certainty seems like a stretch when knives are sharpening behind her.

kingstongraham

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Tories still in power...

Add to that a few little bits of icing on the cake like Salmond losing his seat, Sturgeon losing over 1/3 of hers and it's not such a bad day

TM putting a brave face on it, but claiming her government will provide certainty seems like a stretch when knives are sharpening behind her.

And when she claimed she needed an election to increase her majority to provide certainty.

orraloon

Certainty means certainty.

mrfpb

TheBigBean wrote:

I feel like there is some money to be made on Betfair. Key question: will DUP have someone in the cabinet?

Northern Ireland secretary? To give a fair and balanced approach to the stalled power sharing agreement between Sinn Fein and who else?

Arlene Foster and Theresa May really are two of a kind.

rick_chasey

So Tories cool with DUP and their terrorist links?

And cool with the party that was opposed to the peace process in NI?

Stay classy.

webboo

At least they come with their own marching band.

rick_chasey

Meanwhile, private homebuilding fell 7% in April.

TheBigBean

Rick Chasey wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Not an ounce of contrition from May in that speech.

I wonder how much money NI is getting for it.

You want a pound of flesh too?

Clegg still hasn't found any either. Apparently, he lived by the sword, and that's the reason he lost.

I thought his resignation speech in the last election was very contrite.

Where?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 35830.html

This bit?

It is of course too early to give a considered account of why we have suffered catastrophic losses we have, and the party will have to reflect on these in the time ahead. One thing seems to me is clear: liberalism, here, as well as across Europe, is not faring well against the politics of fear.

rick_chasey

Theresa May's new partners in government have strong historical links with Loyalist paramilitary groups. Specifically, the terrorist group Ulster Resistance was founded by a collection of people who went on to be prominent DUP politicians. Peter Robinson, for example, who was DUP leader and Northern Ireland’s first minister until last year, was an active member of Ulster Resistance. The group’s activities included collaborating with other terrorist groups including the Ulster Volunteer Force, to smuggle arms into the UK, such as RPG rocket launchers.

Of course, Northern Ireland has moved towards peace, and the DUP, like their opponents in Sinn Fein, have rescinded violence. As part of that normalisation, the fact that parties which include people who have rescinded violence can be brought into the democratic process is a good thing. But for the Tories to end an election campaign which they spent attacking Corbyn for his alleged links to former Northern Irish terrorists by going into coalition with a party founded by former Northern Irish terrorists would be a deep irony.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/adam-r ... ho-are-dup

rick_chasey

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Not an ounce of contrition from May in that speech.

I wonder how much money NI is getting for it.

You want a pound of flesh too?

Clegg still hasn't found any either. Apparently, he lived by the sword, and that's the reason he lost.

I thought his resignation speech in the last election was very contrite.

Where?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 35830.html

This bit?

It is of course too early to give a considered account of why we have suffered catastrophic losses we have, and the party will have to reflect on these in the time ahead. One thing seems to me is clear: liberalism, here, as well as across Europe, is not faring well against the politics of fear.

Er no, this bit. Y'know, where he takes responsibility for not just the failure of the party, but also for his colleagues who lost their seats.

Theresa is answerable to her party, and has put them through the ringer, and some of her colleagues lost their jobs.

"I always expected this election to be exceptionally difficult for the Liberal Democrats given the heavy responsibilities we’ve had to bear in government in the most challenging of circumstances. Clearly the results have been immeasurably more crushing and unkind than I could ever have feared.

"For that, of course, I must take responsibility, and therefore I announce that I will be resigning as leader of the Liberal Democrats. A leadership election will now take place according to the party’s rules.

"For the last seven years it’s been a privilege, a huge privilege, an unlimited honour, to lead a party of the most resilient, courageous, and remarkable people. The Liberal Democrats are a family and I will always be extremely proud of the warmth, good grace, and good humour which our political family has shown through the ups and downs of recent years. I want to thank every member, ever campaigner, every councillor, and every parliamentarian for the commitment you have shown to our country and to our party.

"It is simply heartbreaking to see so many friends and colleagues who have served their constituents so diligently over so many years abruptly lose their seats because of forces entirely beyond their control.

rick_chasey

And I also agree with him that liberalism is still not fairing well against the politics of fear.

That's absolutely true.

rjsterry

Osborne is having the time of his life at the Standard.

Final headline "Queen of Denial"

rick_chasey

TheBigBean

Rick Chasey wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Not an ounce of contrition from May in that speech.

I wonder how much money NI is getting for it.

You want a pound of flesh too?

Clegg still hasn't found any either. Apparently, he lived by the sword, and that's the reason he lost.

I thought his resignation speech in the last election was very contrite.

Where?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 35830.html

This bit?

It is of course too early to give a considered account of why we have suffered catastrophic losses we have, and the party will have to reflect on these in the time ahead. One thing seems to me is clear: liberalism, here, as well as across Europe, is not faring well against the politics of fear.

Er no, this bit. Y'know, where he takes responsibility for not just the failure of the party, but also for his colleagues who lost their seats.

Theresa is answerable to her party, and has put them through the ringer, and some of her colleagues lost their jobs.

"I always expected this election to be exceptionally difficult for the Liberal Democrats given the heavy responsibilities we’ve had to bear in government in the most challenging of circumstances. Clearly the results have been immeasurably more crushing and unkind than I could ever have feared.

"For that, of course, I must take responsibility, and therefore I announce that I will be resigning as leader of the Liberal Democrats. A leadership election will now take place according to the party’s rules.

"For the last seven years it’s been a privilege, a huge privilege, an unlimited honour, to lead a party of the most resilient, courageous, and remarkable people. The Liberal Democrats are a family and I will always be extremely proud of the warmth, good grace, and good humour which our political family has shown through the ups and downs of recent years. I want to thank every member, ever campaigner, every councillor, and every parliamentarian for the commitment you have shown to our country and to our party.

"It is simply heartbreaking to see so many friends and colleagues who have served their constituents so diligently over so many years abruptly lose their seats because of forces entirely beyond their control.

That's not contrition. It amounts to him saying that his position is untenable, so is resigning. Contrition would look more like "I'm sorry that I......." "Because I did something, our party suffered..." etc.

rick_chasey

Fair enough. I disagree.

Either way, I thought it was a wholly more classy speech than May's today, though that could be said for most speeches recently.

Jez mon

Rick Chasey wrote:

Fair enough. I disagree.

Either way, I thought it was a wholly more classy speech than May's today, though that could be said for most speeches recently.

She's really not improving with time is she?

mrfpb

Rick, do you harbour any regrets that Farron held on to his seat, thus making a new leader unlikely? Just thinking that Vince Cable and Jo Swinson returning added two much better candidates to Parliament.