snap general election?

meanredspider

rjsterry wrote:

meanredspider wrote:

Exit poll looking a bit dodgy

On two results?

Based upon exit poll predicted swings in those seats. Still very early but exit polls seem pretty wrong for both of the seats declared.

tailwindhome

Who fears this poll the most?
The Tories?
Or the Labour Party MPs who were determined to shift Corbyn?

Stevo_666

meanredspider wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

So you had a solid majority of 17, call an election because you became so arrogant believing your own BS and end up at best with a smaller majority..... could nt make it up.....and you have the nerve to say Labour are stupid lol!

I think you guys are being incredibly "brave" to be slinging mud based on this exit poll.

I have some ketchup for mamba to put on his hat tomorrow morning

veronese68

Interesting comments from the Mrs (working a polling station) about the cluelessness of voters. Apparently a few people were asking how to vote for Theresa May. At 9:35pm shortly before polling closed Google had a spike on people searching for the Conservative party manifesto. Buyers regret perhaps.
I suspect the Tories will win, but we won't know until the morning.

ben@31

Stevo, you post those pictures of the red banner like the commies are the work of the devil. But how many of them were unemployed, homeless, couldn't afford healthcare or education or heating? Compared to what we have now?

There's a theory that our establishment scare monger about Communism because it would mean the masses wake up to being exploited and the 1% loses its privileged power and vast wealth. Done properly, it looks after the 99% not the 1%

Like everything (including cyclists) theres some bad examples and good examples. The haters can only name Stalin, they never mention the others. I think it was Brezhnev who did the most to end the cold war, east-west relations and to limit nuclear weapons, a lot more than Ronald Reagan ever did.

rick_chasey

Lots of labour MPs don't believe the exit poll either.

Pross

ben@31 wrote:

Stevo, you post those pictures of the red banner like the commies are the work of the devil. But how many of them were unemployed, homeless, couldn't afford healthcare or education or heating? Compared to what we have now?

There's a theory that our establishment scare monger about Communism because it would mean the masses wake up to being exploited and the 1% loses its privileged power and vast wealth. Done properly, it looks after the 99% not the 1%

Like everything (including cyclists) theres some bad examples and good examples. The haters can only name Stalin, they never mention the others.

Can you name me one country where communism has been tried and resulted in anything other than a powerful elite whilst large parts of the country remained poor? You mention Stalin, did the Soviet Union work for the people under any of its leaders? Cuba has done some good stuff but the hundreds of thousands who've risked their lives to get out would suggest it is far from Utopia.

rjsterry

meanredspider wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

meanredspider wrote:

Exit poll looking a bit dodgy

On two results?

Based upon exit poll predicted swings in those seats. Still very early but exit polls seem pretty wrong for both of the seats declared.

I think Mr Curtice was saying that exit polls are less accurate in safe seats, which both the two are.

mamba80

meanredspider wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

So you had a solid majority of 17, call an election because you became so arrogant believing your own BS and end up at best with a smaller majority..... could nt make it up.....and you have the nerve to say Labour are stupid lol!

I think you guys are being incredibly "brave" to be slinging mud based on this exit poll.

....agree, i was responding to another of stevos leftiebollox posts!

in my earlier post, i did say lets wait an see BUT unless this poll is totally wrong, my remark above still stands, the Tories had a decent majority, had no real opposition to their brexit stance and May called this GE for selfish reasons only and not in the national interest at all.

Stevo_666

ben@31 wrote:

Stevo, you post those pictures of the red banner like the commies are the work of the devil. But how many of them were unemployed, homeless, couldn't afford healthcare or education or heating? Compared to what we have now?

There's a theory that our establishment scare monger about Communism because it would mean the masses wake up to being exploited and the 1% loses its privileged power and vast wealth. Done properly, it looks after the 99% not the 1%

Like everything (including cyclists) theres some bad examples and good examples. The haters can only name Stalin, they never mention the others.

I will let others draw their conclusions. I am just concerned that someone who could be in charge of the country's finances subscribes to a failed ideology.

And the guff about 99% of the population being exploited is just bollox. You realise that would include people earning up to £162,000 a year Those poor exploited high earners

ben@31

Pross wrote:

Can you name me one country where communism has been tried and resulted in anything other than a powerful elite whilst large parts of the country remained poor?

Just like we have now in the UK and USA?

People never mention the successful socialist nations like Norway. Do you class China as communist, as it has one of the worlds fastest growing economies?

Stevo_666

Pross wrote:

ben@31 wrote:

Stevo, you post those pictures of the red banner like the commies are the work of the devil. But how many of them were unemployed, homeless, couldn't afford healthcare or education or heating? Compared to what we have now?

There's a theory that our establishment scare monger about Communism because it would mean the masses wake up to being exploited and the 1% loses its privileged power and vast wealth. Done properly, it looks after the 99% not the 1%

Like everything (including cyclists) theres some bad examples and good examples. The haters can only name Stalin, they never mention the others.

Can you name me one country where communism has been tried and resulted in anything other than a powerful elite whilst large parts of the country remained poor? You mention Stalin, did the Soviet Union work for the people under any of its leaders? Cuba has done some good stuff but the hundreds of thousands who've risked their lives to get out would suggest it is far from Utopia.

ben@31

Stevo, where are the 15ft high walls in Norway?

Except their hydro power that supplies 99% of their electricity

rjsterry

Just looking at the swings so far, do they correlate with the Brexit vote? Remain => swing to Labour; Leave => swing to Conservative. obviously too little data to say, but it's a theory.

Stevo_666

ben@31 wrote:

Stevo, where are the 15ft high walls in Norway?

Except their hydro power that supplies 99% of their electricity

Norway is not socialist :roll:

I seem to recall you once held up Venezuela as a model country. Do me a favour and take the red pill

veronese68

Pross wrote:

Cuba has done some good stuff but the hundreds of thousands who've risked their lives to get out would suggest it is far from Utopia.

I think Cuba could have done better were it not for the US. Had they been able to trade freely as any other country they might have fared better. Unfortunately having a communist country 90 miles away was too much of an embarrassment for the US. It might even have worked.

Stevo_666

Actually Cuba is a good example of a socialist country. Cracking success...

mamba80

Stevo 666 wrote:

ben@31 wrote:

Stevo, where are the 15ft high walls in Norway?

Except their hydro power that supplies 99% of their electricity

Norway is not socialist :roll:

I seem to recall you once held up Venezuela as a model country. Do me a favour and take the red pill

Socialism isnt communism.... it has a wide definition.
as i am always keen to remind you, i once lived in Sweden (i paid alot more tax too but you know, as i also keep telling you, money isnt everything ) and my cousin lives in Norway, for all their faults these countries dont do so badly, they ve far more equal societies and are nice places to live.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model

you should get out more and go to a Scandinavian School or a french hospital, even the IFS after slating labours tax plans said that though they would increase tax take to highest levls in peace time, they were quite normal in a european context.

rjsterry

Talk of Home Secretary at risk of losing her seat :shock:

cougie

Exciting times !

tangled_metal

Scandinavian countries are social democracies. Staunch free traders and tend be very international too. IIRC one out India's biggest countries in the engineering sector was originally founded by two Danes for example so it's been that way for a long time.

China is no longer communist it's very capitalist in.many ways. North Korea? Difficult to really know what is happening there but those who've escaped tell of a growing black market capitalism that's funding the establishment there via kick.backs and corruption.

Sorry most communist countries seem to have been moving away from that political ideology. It's dead in.the water I'm afraid. However don't let that stop Corbyn and more so the shadow chancellor.

crispybug2

Still early in the returned votes but if the result is close to what the exit polls have predicted then Theresa May is toast, if so is she the shortest serving prime minister in history?

ben@31

Stevo 666 wrote:

I seem to recall you once held up Venezuela as a model country. Do me a favour and take the red pill

No I didn't
Can you show me where I wrote Venezuela is a model country

crispybug2

crispybug2 wrote:

Still early in the returned votes but if the result is close to what the exit polls have predicted then Theresa May is toast, if so is she the shortest serving prime minister in history?

Just on the BBC, the odds on Boris Johnson being the next Prime Minister have dropped from 66/1 to 5/1!!

To quote Hugh Grant "fu*k fu*k fu*k fu*kity fu*k!!"

crispybug2

SNP getting a kicking tonight

Fair to say that indy ref2 is dead in the water.

crispybug2

BBC now forecasting that the Tories will get 322 seats which leaves them 4 seats short of an overall majority.

ben@31

The BBC has just shown the results of Theresa Mays' constituency. You can see it in her face that she knows it's a disaster for the tories. Not looking strong and stable now, but like someone who knows they're getting the sack.

ben@31

Tories predicted 318 short by 8
Labour predicted 267
SNP predicted 32
Lib dems predicted 11

TheBigBean

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Is it really Jezza doing that well?

Or is it just May going from being so blank everyone projected their own desired leader onto her, and she's now showing who she actually is, which is a medicore to sh!t parochial politician who's best moments have come from her saying SFA.

People seem to like him, so I would say so.

Incidentally, if the Lib Dems have any off switches, I would recommend turning off Nick Clegg.

How come?

Nick Clegg > Tim Farron

It's a bit like Blair, he needs to accept that he made mistakes and stop being a smug know it all (I can't think of a more eloquent description). His constant reminder that he was in government and was privy to its inner workings doesn't combine well with his complete lack of contrition - his party took a hammering, but his only explanation is that it was an unavoidable sacrifice to save the country. Saving the country included a referendum on the alternative vote (it may have been a better voting system, but it was perceived as an attempt to gain more seats, not save the country).

I'm surprised I'm the first person to say this to you.

I also think that the pro-remain stance will come back to bite. It comes across as a sore loser - something rarely popular in this country.

Still, I could be wrong and the public might love Clegg and the remain stance.

Turns out I'm not alone with my view of Clegg. It is one of the great things about the current electoral system.

Presumably next stop will be Lords, so he can continue to annoy.

ben@31

Definite hung parliament. No chance of a tory majority now.

"strong and stable" ;-)