Lizzie

pinno

le patron wrote:

Pinno wrote:

Lizzie has never tested positive.

Are people still saying those words in that order ? It's such a loaded sentence you might as well say she is geared up to the eyeballs. Really doesn't help her.

In the context of my other posts, you should know that my statement isn't loaded in any way.

It meant to simply underline the fact that we cannot accuse her of doping without a positive test. I don't, I believe she is clean until proved otherwise.

joe2008

Pinno wrote:

le patron wrote:

Pinno wrote:

Lizzie has never tested positive.

Are people still saying those words in that order ? It's such a loaded sentence you might as well say she is geared up to the eyeballs. Really doesn't help her.

In the context of my other posts, you should know that my statement isn't loaded in any way.

It meant to simply underline the fact that we cannot accuse her of doping without a positive test. I don't, I believe she is clean until proved otherwise.

yep, if you miss your tests you're less likely to get a positive.

pinno

joe2008 wrote:

Pinno wrote:

le patron wrote:

Pinno wrote:

Lizzie has never tested positive.

Are people still saying those words in that order ? It's such a loaded sentence you might as well say she is geared up to the eyeballs. Really doesn't help her.

In the context of my other posts, you should know that my statement isn't loaded in any way.

It meant to simply underline the fact that we cannot accuse her of doping without a positive test. I don't, I believe she is clean until proved otherwise.

yep, if you miss your tests you're less likely to get a positive.

Missed test = positive.

I give up.

joe2008

Pinno wrote:

joe2008 wrote:

Pinno wrote:

le patron wrote:

Pinno wrote:

Lizzie has never tested positive.

Are people still saying those words in that order ? It's such a loaded sentence you might as well say she is geared up to the eyeballs. Really doesn't help her.

In the context of my other posts, you should know that my statement isn't loaded in any way.

It meant to simply underline the fact that we cannot accuse her of doping without a positive test. I don't, I believe she is clean until proved otherwise.

yep, if you miss your tests you're less likely to get a positive.

Missed test = positive.

I give up.

Didn't say that, read again.

bobmcstuff

TailWindHome wrote:

TailWindHome's Law.

All threads on controversial topics should autolock on page 13

But then we would have 15 threads on every controversial topic... as it is we still usually get 2 or 3...

pinno

joe2008 wrote:

Pinno wrote:

joe2008 wrote:

Pinno wrote:

le patron wrote:

Pinno wrote:

Lizzie has never tested positive.

Are people still saying those words in that order ? It's such a loaded sentence you might as well say she is geared up to the eyeballs. Really doesn't help her.

In the context of my other posts, you should know that my statement isn't loaded in any way.

It meant to simply underline the fact that we cannot accuse her of doping without a positive test. I don't, I believe she is clean until proved otherwise.

yep, if you miss your tests you're less likely to get a positive.

Missed test = positive.

I give up.

Didn't say that, read again.

May as well have.

With my experience of threads like these, I should never have bothered after a certain point once the facts have been thrashed out, to continue. That's my mistake. One camp is of one opinion and the other camp is of another and neither will be swayed by any argument, no matter how rational.

cougie

joe2008 wrote:

cougie wrote:

Steady on there. Wasn't mo good before he hooked up with Salazar? What's dodgy about Kenya training? Are you saying Radcliffe and Froome are dodgy too?

I think you need a bit more evidence.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't a dead cert world beater.

I definitely have my doubts on Radcliffe and her 2003 'unbreakable' marathon WR, 3 minutes faster than anyone.

As for training in Kenya: "Kenya has not been able to provide the assurances that the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) is seeking and will be placed on a 'watch-list' of nations at risk of breaching the agency's code."

Looks a good place to train to me.

Is there anyone you don't suspect is a cheat?
I'd be amazed if Radcliffe ever doped. She would need a brass neck to complain about dopers and be one herself.

pinno

cougie wrote:

joe2008 wrote:

cougie wrote:

Steady on there. Wasn't mo good before he hooked up with Salazar? What's dodgy about Kenya training? Are you saying Radcliffe and Froome are dodgy too?

I think you need a bit more evidence.

I'm...me.

I'd be amazed if Radcliffe ever doped. She would need a brass neck to complain about dopers and be one herself.

I'll second that. She always looked like she was suffering like hell when she ran and then fell over the finishing line. She also ended her career a little too ignominiously and real for me to think that she doped.

bobmcstuff

cougie wrote:

joe2008 wrote:

cougie wrote:

Steady on there. Wasn't mo good before he hooked up with Salazar? What's dodgy about Kenya training? Are you saying Radcliffe and Froome are dodgy too?

I think you need a bit more evidence.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't a dead cert world beater.

I definitely have my doubts on Radcliffe and her 2003 'unbreakable' marathon WR, 3 minutes faster than anyone.

As for training in Kenya: "Kenya has not been able to provide the assurances that the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) is seeking and will be placed on a 'watch-list' of nations at risk of breaching the agency's code."

Looks a good place to train to me.

Is there anyone you don't suspect is a cheat?
I'd be amazed if Radcliffe ever doped. She would need a brass neck to complain about dopers and be one herself.

Plenty of dopers have complained about dopers before, it's hardly new...

Not saying she doped necessarily, just that being outspoken against dopers doesn't offer any special protection from doping... Think the fact she was paced by the men had more to do with that record anyway didn't it?

joe2008

cougie wrote:

joe2008 wrote:

cougie wrote:

Steady on there. Wasn't mo good before he hooked up with Salazar? What's dodgy about Kenya training? Are you saying Radcliffe and Froome are dodgy too?

I think you need a bit more evidence.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't a dead cert world beater.

I definitely have my doubts on Radcliffe and her 2003 'unbreakable' marathon WR, 3 minutes faster than anyone.

As for training in Kenya: "Kenya has not been able to provide the assurances that the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) is seeking and will be placed on a 'watch-list' of nations at risk of breaching the agency's code."

Looks a good place to train to me.

Is there anyone you don't suspect is a cheat?
I'd be amazed if Radcliffe ever doped. She would need a brass neck to complain about dopers and be one herself.

Where there is fame and fortune involved I'd put no-one on a pedestal.

ddraver

YorkshireRaw wrote:

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

I will be sardonically amused if she wins and smashes Ferrand-Prevot in the process

Getting into Richard Keys territory here....

"Did you smash her Lizzie, eh, did you?.... course she did, could watch them race any day of the week and see Armitstead coming off her back wheel"

It's all about Jolanda Neff now

Road and XCO double

Richmond Racer 2

joe2008 wrote:

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

joe2008 wrote:

Pinno wrote:

The sceptics are perfectly organised and never miss a pill, appointment, bus or putting the bin out. Sanctimonious.
'She misses a test and then goes and wins her next race'! So she should have deliberately thrown it so as not to appear suspicious?

Lizzie has never tested positive. Will it take another 40+ victories and 75 blood tests before she has a clean reputation?
I'm sure from this point forward, she will be more diligent but for now, she remains human.

But, the point is it's not a pill, appointment, bus or bin, it's something that her whole career depends on, I reckon you'd be pretty diligent about that.

Like Mo now, forever tainted.

Hang on a Mo. Tell me more about 'Tainted Mo'

Seriously, you believe he's clean; his association with Alberto Salazar and Galen Rupp, plus training camps in Kenya... really.

Oh my word, this sounds perfectly dreadful. Can you tell me more? I will certainly make sure not to cheer for Mo in any way shape or form.

Vino'sGhost

Lolol imagine if she spoke Spanish .

3 missed tests is a positive. Armstrong never got busted for a positive test if I recall. Ukad operate intelligence based testing . I think she's a cheating doper like miller and all the others. Not judging though.

RichN95.

Vino'sGhost wrote:

Lolol imagine if she spoke Spanish .

3 missed tests is a positive

Imagine if she spoke French like Yoann Offredo or Danish like Alex Rasmussen. I don't see any of us calling them dopers.

mm1

Interesting watching Nicole Sapstead on BBC Breakfast yesterday morning, looking like she'd swallowed a wasp but also obviously delighted to be in front of the camera. UKADA clearly at fault for one of the missed tests and they know it.

Vino'sGhost

RichN95 wrote:

Vino'sGhost wrote:

Lolol imagine if she spoke Spanish .

3 missed tests is a positive

Imagine if she spoke French like Yoann Offredo or Danish like Alex Rasmussen. I don't see any of us calling them dopers.

Ukad think she's a cheat. So do I . I'm liable to cynicism given what I've seen over the last number of years.

RichN95.

Vino'sGhost wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

Vino'sGhost wrote:

Lolol imagine if she spoke Spanish .

3 missed tests is a positive

Imagine if she spoke French like Yoann Offredo or Danish like Alex Rasmussen. I don't see any of us calling them dopers.

Ukad think she's a cheat. So do I . I'm liable to cynicism given what I've seen over the last number of years.

No they don't. They think she has violated the whereabouts rules. That doesn't translate to actual cheating.

Vino'sGhost

Symantics. If you won't see what's happening I can't help you

Richmond Racer 2

mm1 wrote:

Interesting watching Nicole Sapstead on BBC Breakfast yesterday morning, looking like she'd swallowed a wasp but also obviously delighted to be in front of the camera. UKADA clearly at fault for one of the missed tests and they know it.

Attacking the NADO and its chief, creates unfortunate parallels. Fact is that Armitstead has failed on 2 attempts to test her that were correctly administered - and the responsibility for that lies squarely with her not them. That is the situation irrespective of the facts around the 1st test. She is one lucky lady, she has been dug out of a huge hole.

Sapstead 'delighted to be in front of the camera'. Really??

Richmond Racer 2

dupe post

Mad_Malx

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

Fact is that Armitstead has failed tests that were correctly administered

??

Richmond Racer 2

Mad_Malx wrote:

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

Fact is that Armitstead has failed tests that were correctly administered

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Ah, mea culpa. Typo - that should read 'testing attempts' or 'Whereabouts' not 'tests'

I'll revise the post. Cheers.

RoadPainter

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

joe2008 wrote:

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

joe2008 wrote:

Pinno wrote:

The sceptics are perfectly organised and never miss a pill, appointment, bus or putting the bin out. Sanctimonious.
'She misses a test and then goes and wins her next race'! So she should have deliberately thrown it so as not to appear suspicious?

Lizzie has never tested positive. Will it take another 40+ victories and 75 blood tests before she has a clean reputation?
I'm sure from this point forward, she will be more diligent but for now, she remains human.

But, the point is it's not a pill, appointment, bus or bin, it's something that her whole career depends on, I reckon you'd be pretty diligent about that.

Like Mo now, forever tainted.

Hang on a Mo. Tell me more about 'Tainted Mo'

Seriously, you believe he's clean; his association with Alberto Salazar and Galen Rupp, plus training camps in Kenya... really.

Oh my word, this sounds perfectly dreadful. Can you tell me more? I will certainly make sure not to cheer for Mo in any way shape or form.

There was quite a lot in mainstream media about this last year, somehow nothing came of it (apart from Mo pulling out of a race in Brum)

Only to be expected really, every sportsperson Nike attach themselves to seems to turn out a wrong'un.

Richmond Racer 2

^well I shall certainly go and read every scrap of writing I can find. And I shall certainly never eat quorn again.

bobmcstuff

Vino'sGhost wrote:

Symantics. If you won't see what's happening I can't help you

*semantics.

Even if 3 missed tests is the same as a positive result, CAS have ruled that she's only missed two.

Either way she's been very lucky and foolish.

wallace_and_gromit

Re Farah, he was decidely average up to 2009, when he was already 26, by which age, world class athletes have generally shown world class form. He did the European 5k/10k double and went sub 13 minutes for 5k in 2010, which was his first foray into genuine world class form, though even this was a level down from winning world and Olympic titles from 2011 onwards, having relocated to Oregon to train with Salazar in Feb 2011.

To come to prominence so old having been a full international for several years is unusual. The timing of his move to Salazar and then making the progression to world class shortly afterwards given the age factor is certainly eyebrow raising. (Or at least it raise my eyebrows.)

Anyway, Mo seems like a decent guy, and one can't fault his commitment / tactical savvy in races.

The_Boy

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

Mad_Malx wrote:

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

Fact is that Armitstead has failed tests that were correctly administered

??

Ah, mea culpa. Typo - that should read 'testing attempts' or 'Whereabouts' not 'tests'

I'll revise the post. Cheers.

The mask has slipped! I knew you were rayjay!

jimmythecuckoo

davidof wrote:

The_Boy wrote:

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

On the plus side, at least tonight we've discovered that PFP and Absalon have been building bridges between women's and men's cycling

Is this a back handed reference to some sort of twitter spat/other scandal or something actually interesting?

They've been an official item since earlier in the year.

So the lovely Pauline is with someone

davidof

jimmythecuckoo wrote:

So the lovely Pauline is with someone

I know, and imagine, going out with that bloke who used to play David Wicks son in East Enders too!

bobmcstuff

Wallace and Gromit wrote:

Re Farah, he was decidely average up to 2009, when he was already 26, by which age, world class athletes have generally shown world class form. He did the European 5k/10k double and went sub 13 minutes for 5k in 2010, which was his first foray into genuine world class form, though even this was a level down from winning world and Olympic titles from 2011 onwards, having relocated to Oregon to train with Salazar in Feb 2011.

To come to prominence so old having been a full international for several years is unusual. The timing of his move to Salazar and then making the progression to world class shortly afterwards given the age factor is certainly eyebrow raising. (Or at least it raise my eyebrows.)

Anyway, Mo seems like a decent guy, and one can't fault his commitment / tactical savvy in races.

Is that more or less suspicious than Froome's "transformation"?