Who will be the next Prime Minister

florerider

Crabb started school the year I started work in west wales. Never mind the policemen, even the leadership candidates look like boys these days.

bobmcstuff

I think/hope Crabb's dubious views on homosexuality would count against him.

Pross

bobmcstuff wrote:

I think/hope Crabb's dubious views on homosexuality would count against him.

That's going to be his big problem, people are already 'crediting' him with saying homosexuality can be cured when as far as I can tell the truth is that there are rumours (which he denies) he is involved with a group that believes that. At the moment all I'm aware has actually been confirmed is that he opposes gay marriage on religious grounds.

Other than that skeleton he'd be the perfect antidote to those who want to play the Eton old boy card.

bobmcstuff

Pross wrote:

bobmcstuff wrote:

I think/hope Crabb's dubious views on homosexuality would count against him.

That's going to be his big problem, people are already 'crediting' him with saying homosexuality can be cured when as far as I can tell the truth is that there are rumours (which he denies) he is involved with a group that believes that. At the moment all I'm aware has actually been confirmed is that he opposes gay marriage on religious grounds.

Other than that skeleton he'd be the perfect antidote to those who want to play the Eton old boy card.

AIUI he has links to a charity that does/did "pray the gay away" camps etc. so I don't necessarily think he actually said the above - unless someone has evidence.

He did vote against gay marriage.

Pross

bobmcstuff wrote:

Pross wrote:

bobmcstuff wrote:

I think/hope Crabb's dubious views on homosexuality would count against him.

That's going to be his big problem, people are already 'crediting' him with saying homosexuality can be cured when as far as I can tell the truth is that there are rumours (which he denies) he is involved with a group that believes that. At the moment all I'm aware has actually been confirmed is that he opposes gay marriage on religious grounds.

Other than that skeleton he'd be the perfect antidote to those who want to play the Eton old boy card.

AIUI he has links to a charity that does/did "pray the gay away" camps etc. so I don't necessarily think he actually said the above - unless someone has evidence.

He did vote against gay marriage.

No, but I've already seen a few memes on social media claiming he has said that and these things always get shared to the point where they are established fact.

CiB

Not Boris then. Shock of the day...

mrfpb

CiB wrote:

Not Boris then. Shock of the day...

I did wonder when he left it so late - not likely to have finished speaking before the deadline passes.

Gove/May/Crabb then or have I missed anyone?

Garry H

May it is then

surrey_commuter

As somebody said earlier - the assassin never wins the Tory crown. Gove looks like an enormous stitch up by MPs to keep Boris away from the membership.

I can see May as PM with Gove given special job in cabinet to deal with Brexit

joelsim

Surrey Commuter wrote:

As somebody said earlier - the assassin never wins the Tory crown. Gove looks like an enormous stitch up by MPs to keep Boris away from the membership.

I can see May as PM with Gove given special job in cabinet to deal with Brexit

I can see Gove nowhere near the cabinet, especially anywhere near Brexit.

joelsim

May saying end of the year for Brexit. (Rather than September...).

Not going to happen.

mrfpb

Andrea Leadsom and Liam Fox also on the list - neither will stand a chance. Max of three ballots to whittle the list down to two, but I think the first ballot will result in one elimination and two withdrawls.

I think May and Crabb will go through.

joelsim

Crabb pinches it?

surrey_commuter

Joelsim wrote:

Crabb pinches it?

it would be a sideways move

tangled_metal

Boris out? Wise move since this is a holding position until a new Labour leader with a chance of winning more than a leadership ballot takes over after a GE.

In some ways I wish Boris was on the list and won. Turn him into an outgoing PM turn him into a toxic brand forever linked to a bad Brexit deal.

pblakeney

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Crabb pinches it?

it would be a sideways move

pblakeney

Tangled Metal wrote:

...turn him into a toxic brand forever linked to a bad Brexit deal.

Too late.
Aleady done.

joelsim

PBlakeney wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Crabb pinches it?

it would be a sideways move

Meanwhile Boris leading the life of a hermit.

mrfpb

Pross wrote:

bobmcstuff wrote:

Pross wrote:

bobmcstuff wrote:

I think/hope Crabb's dubious views on homosexuality would count against him.

Other than that skeleton he'd be the perfect antidote to those who want to play the Eton old boy card.

AIUI he has links to a charity that does/did "pray the gay away" camps etc. so I don't necessarily think he actually said the above - unless someone has evidence.

He did vote against gay marriage.

No, but I've already seen a few memes on social media claiming he has said that and these things always get shared to the point where they are established fact.

But look at the group of people voting in this leadership election, and "a return to old fashioned family values" may be a selling point - if he gets past the MP ballot stage.

joelsim

Isn't that what Cameron tried?

Needs to be more than that. We need investment nationwide in new, sustainable industries.

pblakeney

A simple question for either party candidates.
Do you want to be the leader that takes the UK out of the EU? Anyone answering yes is eliminated.

mrfpb

Currently May has 64 declared supporters - the other four have 50 between them. Gove's numbers have been falling this afternoon - he currently has 14 supporters.

Ballots should be over fairly quickly at this rate

http://www.conservativehome.com/parliam ... idate.html

surrey_commuter

Joelsim wrote:

Isn't that what Cameron tried?

Needs to be more than that. We need investment nationwide in new, sustainable industries.

I think that a promise to cure homosexuality through prayer and to hang or deport undesirables will be more than enough

Pross

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Crabb pinches it?

it would be a sideways move

He's clawing his way up the ranks.

bendertherobot

PBlakeney wrote:

A simple question for either party candidates.
Do you want to be the leader that takes the UK out of the EU? Anyone answering yes is eliminated.

Not according to the Chairman of the Welsh Conservatives earlier in the week. As I posted previously "He voted remain. He's quite clear that he (and it seems all the selectors) will want a PM with a clear vision of how to proceed and, in his view, that should be membership of the EEA and the Common Market. That's his minimum position and one shared by very many of his colleagues. On top of that he said he would Counsel any candidate who had "had their picture taken in front of the bus" that, whilst it was not a manifesto, it should be respected."

bendertherobot

Incidentally, so far, the Sun's promise that Boris would do as he promised has gone, leaving only Gove. I do wonder how much May is in the pocket of the media barons (i.e. not).

Pross

Got to be May hasn't it? Let's face it, of that list if we are having someone leading our negotiations she's the one I'd want fighting our corner. At least she seems to understand the game and hopefully has the stature.

joelsim

bendertherobot wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

A simple question for either party candidates.
Do you want to be the leader that takes the UK out of the EU? Anyone answering yes is eliminated.

Not according to the Chairman of the Welsh Conservatives earlier in the week. As I posted previously "He voted remain. He's quite clear that he (and it seems all the selectors) will want a PM with a clear vision of how to proceed and, in his view, that should be membership of the EEA and the Common Market. That's his minimum position and one shared by very many of his colleagues. On top of that he said he would Counsel any candidate who had "had their picture taken in front of the bus" that, whilst it was not a manifesto, it should be respected."

Why does the next leader have to take us out of the EU?

It's pretty clear that the economy is going to be hanging in a few months*, that promises of the Leave campaign simply can't be achieved, that experts should've been listened to and so on.

There won't be any negotiations until Article 50 is invoked. Which it will never be.



*Having just watched Carney's speech.

bendertherobot

Joelsim wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

A simple question for either party candidates.
Do you want to be the leader that takes the UK out of the EU? Anyone answering yes is eliminated.

Not according to the Chairman of the Welsh Conservatives earlier in the week. As I posted previously "He voted remain. He's quite clear that he (and it seems all the selectors) will want a PM with a clear vision of how to proceed and, in his view, that should be membership of the EEA and the Common Market. That's his minimum position and one shared by very many of his colleagues. On top of that he said he would Counsel any candidate who had "had their picture taken in front of the bus" that, whilst it was not a manifesto, it should be respected."

Why does the next leader have to take us out of the EU?

It's pretty clear that the economy is going to be hanging in a few months, that promises of the Leave campaign simply can't be achieved, that experts should've been listened to and so on.

There won't be any negotiations until Article 50 is invoked. Which it will never be.

They don't, legally or constitutionally. Politically it would be unwise not to do so. That said, labour as so much in disarray the Cons could not only stay but impose 50% tax on brexiters and they'd still walk the next election.

I'd love to hope that art 50 won't be triggered. But I do wonder whether it's become the new thing to type on the internet in some collective will to make it not happen.

But I agree, and they aren't my words, this is serious stuff, it requires serious people and the evidence is clear. That evidence trumps the result. If you're the type that likes experts

orraloon

What I don't understand, if immigrants are the root of all our woes, coming over 'ere, takin' all our jobs etc etc, how does Gove get to be a candidate for PM? That's Michael Edinburgh born, Aberdeen raised, can't quite get rid of the accent Gove, that is.

If wee Ed Millipede was viewed as in the pockets of the Scots so unelectable, here comes another of them Sweaties. How does that fit with the England for the English vibe of many of the Leavers?

Just asking like