Show us your Supersix Evo's

bendertherobot

Quite alright! Let me know, both are mint and I'm happy to let them go for a little less than cost!

bendertherobot

http://www.tritoncycles.co.uk/component ... 0wodJDsMwg

bendertherobot

Presumably I remove the crank arm, take off the existing spider, add the spiderrings, do up the lockring, back on?

jdee84

I have this which i may be looking to sell http://www.cannondalespares.com/Cannond ... il/3-42225

bendertherobot

I've got half of it! Just needs rings. (I'm staying on pro compact now)

jdee84

I've been feeling like i'm not getting on with the semi compact at all since i started with it, thought going to get postion on the bike checked to rule out fit problems.

svetty

bendertherobot wrote:

They clearly didn't test ride it as any pressure would render it obvious. The chain is probably about 600-800 miles or so I guess. Never used in the wet, generally in mint condition. FSA is back on and flawless.

I honestly think it's flexing. It's very very flexible as a ring. I can do it by hand very easily. It doesn't sit quite flat on a surface either. I think I'll wait for those £104 spiderings which are coming out.

Sorry to say it's probably a case of 'buy cheap: buy twice'

Have Praxis rings on my Evo - shift almost as well as DA.........

bendertherobot

Could be. That said these are simply cheaper than the direct from Germany ones which are 104 euros the pair.

gaffer_slow

hold out for the cheaper spidering, return the BOR for a refund if you can.

bendertherobot

gaffer_slow wrote:

hold out for the cheaper spidering, return the BOR for a refund if you can.

Yep. Will do. I'm corresponding with the ebay chap. Should be fine. It's certainly a weird one.

MikeBrew

bendertherobot wrote:

Presumably I remove the crank arm, take off the existing spider, add the spiderrings, do up the lockring, back on?

You'll need the crank arm extraction tool and the spider lock ring tool.


https://www.westbrookcycles.co.uk/canno ... =CLrI_J2S-


https://www.westbrookcycles.co.uk/canno ... Gwoda98B4A

gaffer_slow

bendertherobot wrote:

gaffer_slow wrote:

hold out for the cheaper spidering, return the BOR for a refund if you can.

Yep. Will do. I'm corresponding with the ebay chap. Should be fine. It's certainly a weird one.

At least through ebay you have good buyer protection (too good from a seller's POV), so he doesnt have much option but to refund you

ugo.santalucia

poor chain tension?

galatzo

ugo.santalucia wrote:

poor chain tension?

Yes, did you take the links out you were going to as going from semi-compact to compct ?

Fat-Boy-Roubaix

Blimey this has explained something that has been really irritating I have been getting chain rub on the front RD but ONLY out of the saddle hard effort my FSA is flexing wtf? I can flex it off the bike. Never even knew it was possible!

bendertherobot

Galatzo wrote:

ugo.santalucia wrote:

poor chain tension?

Yes, did you take the links out you were going to as going from semi-compact to compct ?

Yep. And now, of course, with it in 52/28 (where it won't be going) it's a bit overstretched. But fine otherwise. 55 links btw now as opposed to the previous 56.

MisterMuncher

Yeah, the black FSA rings aren't great at all. The silver "super road" ones are a much better bet, but look bad on a Hollowgram, and they're not light by any stretch of the imagination. I'm hanging on for some cheap Praxis or Cannondale MK5. SpiderRings are the obvious choice, but they're bloody pricey, and the idea of springing for a barely used inner ring when the outer is knackered grates no small amount.

Old Shimano 5 arm rings, 6700 or 7800 are compatible and shift lovely. They also don't look great, but you can't see them when you're riding. Campagnolo rings, with the compatible spider are equally good, and are much more aesthetically pleasing.

bendertherobot

MisterMuncher wrote:

Yeah, the black FSA rings aren't great at all. The silver "super road" ones are a much better bet, but look bad on a Hollowgram, and they're not light by any stretch of the imagination. I'm hanging on for some cheap Praxis or Cannondale MK5. SpiderRings are the obvious choice, but they're bloody pricey, and the idea of springing for a barely used inner ring when the outer is knackered grates no small amount.

Old Shimano 5 arm rings, 6700 or 7800 are compatible and shift lovely. They also don't look great, but you can't see them when you're riding. Campagnolo rings, with the compatible spider are equally good, and are much more aesthetically pleasing.

Black one here. The inner is rarely an issue and could stay happily....
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/fsa-super-road-outer-chainring/

MikeBrew

bendertherobot wrote:

Black one here. The inner is rarely an issue and could stay happily....
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/fsa-super-road-outer-chainring/

Nothing wrong with the above rings, FSA do have a bit of experience in the field. The BOR have so little material on them that there must be very little in the way of ramping.

kingstonian

I really, REALLY like the look of a SS Evo but the only concern I have is getting a creaky bottom bracket. I can't stand a noisy bike, it drives me utterly insane. This is the only thing stopping me from putting a dent in the credit card.

Is it pot luck as to whether it gets creaky? Is there a fix to it, other than earplugs ?

MikeBrew

Kingstonian wrote:

I really, REALLY like the look of a SS Evo but the only concern I have is getting a creaky bottom bracket. I can't stand a noisy bike, it drives me utterly insane. This is the only thing stopping me from putting a dent in the credit card.

Is it pot luck as to whether it gets creaky? Is there a fix to it, other than earplugs ?

The urban myth that these BB's always creak is testament to the power of the internet to propagate and perpetuate nonsense. Problem being that the majority are happy owners who don't get a problem hence they never feel the need the post anything, while those who get an issue whine online loudly and incessantly.
Some of those complaints may be down to poor installation and/or maintenance and others due to an unrelated creak that gets neurotically computed as being "the infamous BB/PF 30 creak wot I read about in a post by Tom, Dick or Harry on the internet[about as reliable as a 'bloke down the pub said'] ".
Having said that, the seed of doubt is clearly there in your mind so probably best that you buy something else.

letap73

MikeBrew wrote:

Kingstonian wrote:

I really, REALLY like the look of a SS Evo but the only concern I have is getting a creaky bottom bracket. I can't stand a noisy bike, it drives me utterly insane. This is the only thing stopping me from putting a dent in the credit card.

Is it pot luck as to whether it gets creaky? Is there a fix to it, other than earplugs ?

The urban myth that these BB's always creak is testament to the power of the internet to propagate and perpetuate nonsense. Problem being that the majority are happy owners who don't get a problem hence they never feel the need the post anything, while those who get an issue whine online loudly and incessantly.
Some of those complaints may be down to poor installation and/or maintenance and others due to an unrelated creak that gets neurotically computed as being "the infamous BB/PF 30 creak wot I read about in a post by Tom, Dick or Harry on the internet[about as reliable as a 'bloke down the pub said'] ".
Having said that, the seed of doubt is clearly there in your mind so probably best that you buy something else.

Great rant - shame you cannot back it up with any evidence. Giant, Scot, Trek etc use a different press fit system that does not seem to get half the number of complaints that the BB/PF 30 gets - why could that be. I spoke to one of the mechanics at EPIC cycles and he suggested that the BB/PF 30 bottom bracket is more likely to be replaced then a shimano pressfit system in a given period of time. The frame tolerance for BB/PF 30 are fairly tight - mass produced frames can miss this tolerance - consequentally after a certain period of time the bottom bracket starts to creak in some bikes - despite correct installation.

MikeBrew

Letap73 wrote:

bottom bracket starts to creak in some bikes

So... which one are you, Tom, Dick or Harry.... :roll:
Still, you got the fact that it doesn't happen in all bikes(or even that often) bit right. And that was my point in a nutshell. Maybe you can supply the "evidence" to suggest that there aren't 1000's of silent happy users out there. After-all, the "evidence" of the online whiners is clear to see and, as already stated, is disproportionately represented online.

letap73

MikeBrew wrote:

Tom,Dick or Harry wrote:

bottom bracket starts to creak in some bikes

So... which one are you, Tom, Dick or Harry.... :roll:
Still, you got the fact that it doesn't happen in all bikes(or even that often) bit right. And that was my point in a nutshell. Maybe you can supply the "evidence to suggest that there aren't 1000's of silent happy users out there. Afterall, the "evidence" of the online whiners clear to see.

Great resort to ad hominem when unable to respond appropriately to any of the points I have made. I am sure there are 1000s of silent happy users of PF30/bb30 bottom brackets out there just as there are 1000s of silently happy customers at Planet X. Unlike you, I won't label those who have problems with Planet X as whiners as I have no problems accepting that people have different experiences .

MikeBrew

letap73 wrote:

Great resort to ad hominem

Not at all. I merely pointed out that your personal experience, and anecdotal recounting of a conversation with one mechanic( who very possibly was already aware that you were not a fan of said BB system) was fairly typical of the over-representation online of the few who experience issues over the many who don't.
Your generic type response and "evidence" was perfectly suited (and timed) to illustrate the point that I had already made. Cheers for that.

There's nothing personal about it whatsoever, in anyone's mind other than your own. On the other hand, your characterization of my initial post as a "Great Rant" together with your reference to matters outside of the topic of this thread, makes it fairly clear to me that your response very possibly WAS personally motivated, or ad hominem as you - somewhat hypocritically - choose to call it.
And for your reference, as I have stated many times, I've never had any personal issues in my dealings with PX. That said, I rarely buy anything from them that carry's their own brand.
By the way, PF30 is a system that was designed to obviate the need for frame tolerances as close as those required by BB30.

Next time you feel like scoring a personal point just send me a PM, that way we can all ignore it without soiling a thread with personally motivated bickering.

letap73

I have no wish to pm you as you clearly are extremely defensive and do not appear to accept other viewpoints - the pf30 system maybe better than the bb30 system which you now begrudgingly acknowledge requires a close frame tolerance -however the pf30 still has issues hence why it seems to be raised quite alot. I believe internet forums such as this are here to raise such issues and seek solutions to such problems in a constructive fashion - refering to such people as "whiners" is not exactly classy. By all means choose to score points by using strawman arguments, reflecting your own behaviour onto other posters etc but don't expect to be taken seriously.

MikeBrew

letap73 wrote:

I have no wish to pm you as you clearly are extremely defensive, and do not appear to accept other viewpoints - the pf30 system maybe better than the bb30 system which you now begrudgingly acknowledge requires a close frame tolerance -however the pf30 still has issues hence why it seems to be raised quite alot. I believe internet forums such as this are here to raise such issues and seek solutions to such problems in a constructive fashion - refering to such people as "whiners" is not exactly classy. By all means choose to score points by using strawman arguments, reflecting your own behaviour onto other posters etc but don't expect to be taken seriously.

That's right keep it personal hey... The irony of knocking Cannondale BB's in thread full of happy Cannondale owners is clearly slightly lost on you.
I've never had a problem with BB30 or PF, but then I had enough sense to read up on it properly and buy a few tools. No massive outlay, no major issue. Clearly you weren't so inclined or equipped. Human incompetence is very easily passed off as mechanical failure. Now you're intent on preaching your personal experience as if it has a global relevance. This isn't the first or only thread where you've claimed that these BBs are problematic, and warned people off them is it.
As you said, YOU need to accept that different folk will have very different experiences, and that your's aren't typical.
You carry on though, you're really just confirming my original point for me. You do remember my central point don't you - the one that you appear to have taken extremely personally ? Here let me remind you :

MikeBrew wrote:

The urban myth that these BB's always creak is testament to the power of the internet to propagate and perpetuate nonsense.Problem being that the majority are happy owners who don't get a problem hence they never feel the need the post anything, while those who get an issue whine online loudly and incessantly.

How many other ways can I say it, and how many more times are you going to exemplify it.

By the way, your understanding of "strawman argument" appears to be a wee bit wide of the mark. You might like to look it up. :?

bendertherobot

Have a beer chaps. Have opened a request for refund on my BOR's as no response since Friday...... should be fine.

letap73

Mike, I think you need to take a chill pill you are taking things far too seriously and reading far too much into things. I suspect you a little precious about Cannondale, but I don't think I have knocked Cannondale on this thread - in fact I own one. I think the BB86 standard is better than the BB30/ PF30 in terms of reliability.

MikeBrew

Hey, whatever it pleases you to say fella.