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  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    Graeme_S wrote:
    I have some Castelli nanoflex knee warmers, that seemed to bead water the first couple of times it rained and then gave up. Then I have several pairs of arm warmers, all of which seem to have either gone into holes or had the grippers come adrift on them.

    Considering getting a set of dhb Aeron Rain Defence arm and knee warmers. Anyone have any thoughts on them? Do they continue to bead rain as they get older?

    Like all things the treatment wears off but these and the Lusso ones are windtex so are actually waterproof. There are seams and the water can sit on the outside when it does wear off but they are a better bet.
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  • graeme_s-2
    graeme_s-2 Posts: 3,382
    I'm not really after proper water proof. I'm just after something that might keep the worst of it out when I get caught out on the commute in the autumn and spring.

    Sounds like these might be just the thing. I shall stick them on the Christmas list :)
  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    Pinno wrote:
    CRC are having a big sale. What's the low down on this Castelli Poggio? If I remember correctly, you reviewed it one here but it's a long thread...

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/cast ... prod109125


    Never reviewed it but it's simply a cut down Espresso et al. But with a lesser range so more for spring and autumn riding. I think the price reduction takes into account that the Transparente is lighter and can go almost as low but better for going high.
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  • fenix
    fenix Posts: 5,437
    Can you re-treat the DHB Rain Defence kit does anyone know ?

    Or could you just get any old leg/armwarmers and nikwax those anyway ?
  • PTestTeam
    PTestTeam Posts: 395
    Fenix wrote:
    Can you re-treat the DHB Rain Defence kit does anyone know ?

    Or could you just get any old leg/armwarmers and nikwax those anyway ?

    You can re-activate Parentini's K-Dry armwarmers etc (I;m assuming they're similar to DHB's roubaix style fabric with water repellency treatment added to the fabric) by putting them in a Dryer on a warm setting for about 20-30mins.

    You could try this technique. Depends if you've been washing them correctly though. Some detergents will have stripped the treatment completely from the fabric
  • graeme_s-2
    graeme_s-2 Posts: 3,382
    PTestTeam wrote:
    You can re-activate Parentini's K-Dry armwarmers etc (I;m assuming they're similar to DHB's roubaix style fabric with water repellency treatment added to the fabric) by putting them in a Dryer on a warm setting for about 20-30mins.

    You could try this technique. Depends if you've been washing them correctly though. Some detergents will have stripped the treatment completely from the fabric
    The castelli nanoflex I have, have only ever been washed with either halo sports wash, or more often a small amount of fairy non-bio powder.

    I tried reactivating them in the tumble dryer, but it didn't seem to make any difference.
  • wolfsbane2k
    wolfsbane2k Posts: 3,056
    Graeme_S wrote:
    PTestTeam wrote:
    You can re-activate Parentini's K-Dry armwarmers etc (I;m assuming they're similar to DHB's roubaix style fabric with water repellency treatment added to the fabric) by putting them in a Dryer on a warm setting for about 20-30mins.

    You could try this technique. Depends if you've been washing them correctly though. Some detergents will have stripped the treatment completely from the fabric
    The castelli nanoflex I have, have only ever been washed with either halo sports wash, or more often a small amount of fairy non-bio powder.

    I tried reactivating them in the tumble dryer, but it didn't seem to make any difference.

    I've had an instance where Halo has stripped the waterproofing off a cloth nappy liner before, so some waterproofing might be susceptible to it ( I hadn't realised it was in the machine before i stuck my stuff in)
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  • fenix
    fenix Posts: 5,437
    Hmm - might just handwash the buggers...
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,351
    bendertherobot wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    CRC are having a big sale. What's the low down on this Castelli Poggio? If I remember correctly, you reviewed it one here but it's a long thread...

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/cast ... prod109125

    Never reviewed it but it's simply a cut down Espresso et al. But with a lesser range so more for spring and autumn riding. I think the price reduction takes into account that the Transparente is lighter and can go almost as low but better for going high.

    I want to find a replacement intermediate jacket. I have looked at the Poggio, one of the Ale 'jackets' and some reviewed here. Really don't know what to go for.
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  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    It's cheap enough to suit the bill. There's quite a lot of choice in that market segment. Are you a small? CRC only have that left in the Poggio, there's a medium in the Free and the Mortirolo is probably overdoing it.

    I'd have a look at the dhb stuff mind, not the Aeron softshell, but stuff like this:
    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/dhb-classic-win ... ll-jacket/
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  • Alex99
    Alex99 Posts: 1,407
    Fenix wrote:
    Can you re-treat the DHB Rain Defence kit does anyone know ?

    Or could you just get any old leg/armwarmers and nikwax those anyway ?

    I've nikwaxed normal roubaix type arms warmers, tights and a long sleeve jersey before. It can work quite well but seemed to work on some fabrics better than others. I used the wash in stuff generally, but might try the spray on proofer when I do it again. Supposedly this retains the wicking of the inner fabric such as recommended for re-proofing softshell material. This is also the recommended treatment for the Castelli Nanoflex gear when the original DWR fades, which it will. Re-applied DWR never seems to be as good as what comes out of the factory, the possible exception being Paramo kit which seems to come up brilliantly time after time. But that's another story.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,351
    bendertherobot wrote:
    It's cheap enough to suit the bill. There's quite a lot of choice in that market segment. Are you a small? CRC only have that left in the Poggio, there's a medium in the Free and the Mortirolo is probably overdoing it.

    I'd have a look at the dhb stuff mind, not the Aeron softshell, but stuff like this:
    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/dhb-classic-win ... ll-jacket/

    I quite like that plus it comes in other colours than Rapha black.

    Looked at the Mortirolo, There's a 3 and a 4 and a 2016... Sometimes, there's too much choice.
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  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    Wearing the Chapeau long sleeve roubaix today. Very soft. Very very soft indeed.
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  • stueys
    stueys Posts: 1,332
    Alex99 wrote:
    Fenix wrote:
    Can you re-treat the DHB Rain Defence kit does anyone know ?

    Or could you just get any old leg/armwarmers and nikwax those anyway ?

    I've nikwaxed normal roubaix type arms warmers, tights and a long sleeve jersey before. It can work quite well but seemed to work on some fabrics better than others. I used the wash in stuff generally, but might try the spray on proofer when I do it again. Supposedly this retains the wicking of the inner fabric such as recommended for re-proofing softshell material. This is also the recommended treatment for the Castelli Nanoflex gear when the original DWR fades, which it will. Re-applied DWR never seems to be as good as what comes out of the factory, the possible exception being Paramo kit which seems to come up brilliantly time after time. But that's another story.

    The issue with the wash in stuff is that it coats both inside and outside with DWR, so it impacts the breathability. I use the grangers spray on stuff which seems to work really well so far.
  • Alex99
    Alex99 Posts: 1,407
    Stueys wrote:
    Alex99 wrote:
    Fenix wrote:
    Can you re-treat the DHB Rain Defence kit does anyone know ?

    Or could you just get any old leg/armwarmers and nikwax those anyway ?

    I've nikwaxed normal roubaix type arms warmers, tights and a long sleeve jersey before. It can work quite well but seemed to work on some fabrics better than others. I used the wash in stuff generally, but might try the spray on proofer when I do it again. Supposedly this retains the wicking of the inner fabric such as recommended for re-proofing softshell material. This is also the recommended treatment for the Castelli Nanoflex gear when the original DWR fades, which it will. Re-applied DWR never seems to be as good as what comes out of the factory, the possible exception being Paramo kit which seems to come up brilliantly time after time. But that's another story.

    The issue with the wash in stuff is that it coats both inside and outside with DWR, so it impacts the breathability. I use the grangers spray on stuff which seems to work really well so far.

    Yes. Might give that a go. With the wash in, not sure it's a breathabililty issue, rather that wicking is affected.
  • Alex99
    Alex99 Posts: 1,407
    Stueys wrote:
    Alex99 wrote:
    Fenix wrote:
    Can you re-treat the DHB Rain Defence kit does anyone know ?

    Or could you just get any old leg/armwarmers and nikwax those anyway ?

    I've nikwaxed normal roubaix type arms warmers, tights and a long sleeve jersey before. It can work quite well but seemed to work on some fabrics better than others. I used the wash in stuff generally, but might try the spray on proofer when I do it again. Supposedly this retains the wicking of the inner fabric such as recommended for re-proofing softshell material. This is also the recommended treatment for the Castelli Nanoflex gear when the original DWR fades, which it will. Re-applied DWR never seems to be as good as what comes out of the factory, the possible exception being Paramo kit which seems to come up brilliantly time after time. But that's another story.

    The issue with the wash in stuff is that it coats both inside and outside with DWR, so it impacts the breathability. I use the grangers spray on stuff which seems to work really well so far.

    What about this:
    http://www.scotchgard.com/3M/en_US/scot ... 207&rt=rud

    It's fluorocarbon based, so maybe a little more 'hardcore'?
  • stueys
    stueys Posts: 1,332
    Alex99 wrote:

    What about this:
    http://www.scotchgard.com/3M/en_US/scot ... 207&rt=rud

    It's fluorocarbon based, so maybe a little more 'hardcore'?

    Hmm, I would go for something a bit more clothing specific. https://grangers.co.uk/product/xtreme-repel is what I use, no idea if there is better, I started using Grangers as I've a load of arcteryx gear for skiing, mountains, etc and this is the stuff they recommend.

    I use this https://grangers.co.uk/product/performance-wash to wash my DWP treated gear as it's designed to wash whilst protecting the DWP layer. My routine is to wash the gear in this and then tumble dry at low heat until dryish, this seems to be fine for the gear and the water resistance seems to hold up pretty well. I'm not often having to reproof.
  • stueys
    stueys Posts: 1,332
    Forgot to add, amazon flog the grangers stuff, cheaper than going direct.
  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    Are stoats soft? Cos this Chapeau jersey is softer than a stoat I reckon.
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  • wolfsbane2k
    wolfsbane2k Posts: 3,056
    I've used both grangers and nikwax spray on (TX.Direct) for stuff with a liner as I'm a outdoor walking fanatic ( aka, I've got a dog).
    To me they seem similar quality, and I normally go with whatever is the cheapest - I've got 4L of nikwax washin and 3L of TX.direct to hold me through this winter...
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  • fenix
    fenix Posts: 5,437
    bendertherobot wrote:
    Are stoats soft? Cos this Chapeau jersey is softer than a stoat I reckon.

    Dunno but I picked up an escaped weasel once. I won't be doing that again. He was well Hard and bit me - the ungrateful sod.

    I'd have thought Stoats weren't too dissimilar ?
  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    Sounds nasty, right, recently dead stoats, are they soft? Cos this Chapeau is softer than my female cat and she has fur like what I imagine cats in heaven have.
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  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    Don't the Lords wear cloaks made of stoats fur?
  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    They do. I've never touched a Lord mind.
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  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    A friend of mine was at the Lords for a do last night, I could have asked her to touch a Lord for us.
  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 11,985
    On a stoatily unrelated topic, I will be interested to take a gander at the new Fizik bib shorts when they appear, in the spring now I guess.
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,351
    Thumbs up for the HH freeze. Might have to get another one - you know, one in the wash and all that.
    Best base layer I have now.
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  • apreading
    apreading Posts: 4,535
    Pinno wrote:
    Thumbs up for the HH freeze. Might have to get another one - you know, one in the wash and all that.
    Best base layer I have now.

    Yaay - another convert!
  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    Please shout when they're cheap again!
  • the_rover
    the_rover Posts: 402
    I got my HH from here which seems the best price although it's plus post. I've not worn it out of the house yet but it's feels lovely!

    https://www.sportsshoes.com/product/hel ... 0wodlnAOgg

    All the sizes available in this colour which looks better than the pics plus XX large in different colours.

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