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morstar

I agree it’s good that normality is being restored.

Begs the question, why did the Tories spend 7 years trashing normality.

shirley_basso

Very sensible sounding comments from Labour

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63415681

Stevo_666

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

Interesting but unsurprising poll showing that the public see Sunak as better than Starmer on the economy, taxes and business. (Although to be fair, being better than a Labour leader in those areas might be seen as a pretty low bar):
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/rishi-sunak-keir-starmer-beats-economy-taxes-business-poll-hope-tories-1938481

Normality is starting to be restored

If he just adopts all of Labour's positions on the economy, that's probably good, but is it what you really want?

What makes you think he will do that? (Even we did know all of Labour's positions - they usually keep quiet about shafting people until as late as possible).

Stevo_666

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

Typical Labour politics of envy. Hit the rich...

I hope not. Hopefully it is an article to generate a bit of attention? He should instead focus on raising taxes for those who keep saying that we should pay more - and give them what they want

This feels a bit like crossing your fingers really tightly. I'll already be paying more from April so why should you get a let off?

NI cut kicks in next week.

What's hitting you in April?

kingstongraham

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

Interesting but unsurprising poll showing that the public see Sunak as better than Starmer on the economy, taxes and business. (Although to be fair, being better than a Labour leader in those areas might be seen as a pretty low bar):
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/rishi-sunak-keir-starmer-beats-economy-taxes-business-poll-hope-tories-1938481

Normality is starting to be restored

If he just adopts all of Labour's positions on the economy, that's probably good, but is it what you really want?

What makes you think he will do that? (Even we did know all of Labour's positions - they usually keep quiet about shafting people until as late as possible).

Going with this still then.

Stevo_666

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

Interesting but unsurprising poll showing that the public see Sunak as better than Starmer on the economy, taxes and business. (Although to be fair, being better than a Labour leader in those areas might be seen as a pretty low bar):
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/rishi-sunak-keir-starmer-beats-economy-taxes-business-poll-hope-tories-1938481

Normality is starting to be restored

If he just adopts all of Labour's positions on the economy, that's probably good, but is it what you really want?

What makes you think he will do that? (Even we did know all of Labour's positions - they usually keep quiet about shafting people until as late as possible).

Going with this still then.

Just needs an update to New Old Labour - New Old Danger.

rick_chasey

Genuinely, what's more dangerous than what this current lot have put us through?

Tory track record on the economy since 1992 is really terrible.

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

Typical Labour politics of envy. Hit the rich...

I hope not. Hopefully it is an article to generate a bit of attention? He should instead focus on raising taxes for those who keep saying that we should pay more - and give them what they want

This feels a bit like crossing your fingers really tightly. I'll already be paying more from April so why should you get a let off?

NI cut kicks in next week.

What's hitting you in April?

Corporation tax, specifically. And you'd have to be hopelessly optimistic to think there won't be more rises. In the background there's the frozen thresholds.

Pross

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

Interesting but unsurprising poll showing that the public see Sunak as better than Starmer on the economy, taxes and business. (Although to be fair, being better than a Labour leader in those areas might be seen as a pretty low bar):
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/rishi-sunak-keir-starmer-beats-economy-taxes-business-poll-hope-tories-1938481

Normality is starting to be restored

If he just adopts all of Labour's positions on the economy, that's probably good, but is it what you really want?

What makes you think he will do that? (Even we did know all of Labour's positions - they usually keep quiet about shafting people until as late as possible).

This is just the Tory equivalent of when Labour say the Tories are going to privatise the NHS. A bit of a dog whistle with nothing to back it up.

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

Genuinely, what's more dangerous than what this current lot have put us through?

Tory track record on the economy since 1992 is really terrible.

As I've said before, better if we don't get to find out.

Which other party will manage it well?

Stevo_666

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

Typical Labour politics of envy. Hit the rich...

I hope not. Hopefully it is an article to generate a bit of attention? He should instead focus on raising taxes for those who keep saying that we should pay more - and give them what they want

This feels a bit like crossing your fingers really tightly. I'll already be paying more from April so why should you get a let off?

NI cut kicks in next week.

What's hitting you in April?

Corporation tax, specifically. And you'd have to be hopelessly optimistic to think there won't be more rises. In the background there's the frozen thresholds.

Ah OK, you operate through a limited company.

(People who say that the corporation tax rate isn't an issue for businesses please take note )

TheBigBean

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

Typical Labour politics of envy. Hit the rich...

I hope not. Hopefully it is an article to generate a bit of attention? He should instead focus on raising taxes for those who keep saying that we should pay more - and give them what they want

This feels a bit like crossing your fingers really tightly. I'll already be paying more from April so why should you get a let off?

NI cut kicks in next week.

What's hitting you in April?

Corporation tax, specifically. And you'd have to be hopelessly optimistic to think there won't be more rises. In the background there's the frozen thresholds.

An advantage of an LLP (along with employer's NI).

Jezyboy

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Genuinely, what's more dangerous than what this current lot have put us through?

Tory track record on the economy since 1992 is really terrible.

As I've said before, better if we don't get to find out.

Which other party will manage it well?

So that's a no to answering Ricks question then...

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

Typical Labour politics of envy. Hit the rich...

I hope not. Hopefully it is an article to generate a bit of attention? He should instead focus on raising taxes for those who keep saying that we should pay more - and give them what they want

This feels a bit like crossing your fingers really tightly. I'll already be paying more from April so why should you get a let off?

NI cut kicks in next week.

What's hitting you in April?

Corporation tax, specifically. And you'd have to be hopelessly optimistic to think there won't be more rises. In the background there's the frozen thresholds.

Ah OK, you operate through a limited company.

The practice is a limited company. I own part of it.

Stevo_666

Jezyboy said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Genuinely, what's more dangerous than what this current lot have put us through?

Tory track record on the economy since 1992 is really terrible.

As I've said before, better if we don't get to find out.

Which other party will manage it well?

So that's a no to answering Ricks question then...

It's more of a 'who knows without a crystal ball' reply. Although Rick will probably try to blame that on a lack of investment by the tories

rjsterry

TheBigBean said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

Typical Labour politics of envy. Hit the rich...

I hope not. Hopefully it is an article to generate a bit of attention? He should instead focus on raising taxes for those who keep saying that we should pay more - and give them what they want

This feels a bit like crossing your fingers really tightly. I'll already be paying more from April so why should you get a let off?

NI cut kicks in next week.

What's hitting you in April?

Corporation tax, specifically. And you'd have to be hopelessly optimistic to think there won't be more rises. In the background there's the frozen thresholds.

An advantage of an LLP (along with employer's NI).

There are pros and cons to both.

surrey_commuter

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

Typical Labour politics of envy. Hit the rich...

I hope not. Hopefully it is an article to generate a bit of attention? He should instead focus on raising taxes for those who keep saying that we should pay more - and give them what they want

This feels a bit like crossing your fingers really tightly. I'll already be paying more from April so why should you get a let off?

NI cut kicks in next week.

What's hitting you in April?

Corporation tax, specifically. And you'd have to be hopelessly optimistic to think there won't be more rises. In the background there's the frozen thresholds.

Ah OK, you operate through a limited company.

(People who say that the corporation tax rate isn't an issue for businesses please take note )

hang on a minute, you were the person arguing that it was irrelevant whether it was 19 or 25%.

rjsterry

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

Typical Labour politics of envy. Hit the rich...

I hope not. Hopefully it is an article to generate a bit of attention? He should instead focus on raising taxes for those who keep saying that we should pay more - and give them what they want

This feels a bit like crossing your fingers really tightly. I'll already be paying more from April so why should you get a let off?

NI cut kicks in next week.

What's hitting you in April?

Corporation tax, specifically. And you'd have to be hopelessly optimistic to think there won't be more rises. In the background there's the frozen thresholds.

Ah OK, you operate through a limited company.

(People who say that the corporation tax rate isn't an issue for businesses please take note )

hang on a minute, you were the person arguing that it was irrelevant whether it was 19 or 25%.

I think there might have been more to my point than that.

Just to be clear, this is not a moan about the rate being too high. Just an observation on the direction of travel. It means we will have less to play with when looking at pay reviews for our staff; invest in training and IT.

TheBigBean

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

Typical Labour politics of envy. Hit the rich...

I hope not. Hopefully it is an article to generate a bit of attention? He should instead focus on raising taxes for those who keep saying that we should pay more - and give them what they want

This feels a bit like crossing your fingers really tightly. I'll already be paying more from April so why should you get a let off?

NI cut kicks in next week.

What's hitting you in April?

Corporation tax, specifically. And you'd have to be hopelessly optimistic to think there won't be more rises. In the background there's the frozen thresholds.

An advantage of an LLP (along with employer's NI).

There are pros and cons to both.

There is indeed. Nothing like paying tax on money you haven't received.

rjsterry

Late payers?

TheBigBean

rjsterry said:

Late payers?

That's usually ok. Disallowances e.g. corporate entertainment and also businesses need working capital and that money is taxed.

Stevo_666

Interesting article on Labour's impact in Wales. Careful
what you wish for...
https://business-live.co.uk/opinion-analysis/labour-been-disaster-welsh-economy-25470185

monkimark

What were you expecting in an article written by a Welsh Tory opposition MP?

Stevo_666

monkimark said:

What were you expecting in an article written by a Welsh Tory opposition MP?

Which parts of the article do you disagree with and why?

Pross

Stevo_666 said:

Interesting article on Labour's impact in Wales. Careful
what you wish for...
https://business-live.co.uk/opinion-analysis/labour-been-disaster-welsh-economy-25470185

As someone who actually lives there (and has never voted Labour in an Senedd election) I don’t see them doing anything worse than across the border.

As an example this is due to start soon https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.business-live.co.uk/economic-development/200m-global-centre-rail-excellence-24161623.amp

They are also looking at getting a publicly owned renewable energy developer set up that will partner with the private sector.

They’ve made some bad decisions too - supporting the pie in the sky Circuit of Wales and proposed studios / theme park in Bridgend (although there has been some film studio development there). Scrapping the planned M4 relief road around Newport is still likely to have a negative impact on investment in Wales.

Jezyboy

Struggle to take the 20mph point seriously tbh

rjsterry

I think there are fair criticisms of health and education outcomes but whether that is anything to do with the colour of the rosette is anyone's guess. Grumbling about taxes being put up is pretty ironic.

The more obvious point is: If Welsh Labour is so awful, why can the Welsh Conservatives not get people to vote for them?

Stevo_666

Jezyboy said:

Struggle to take the 20mph point seriously tbh

Pross said:

Stevo_666 said:

Interesting article on Labour's impact in Wales. Careful
what you wish for...
https://business-live.co.uk/opinion-analysis/labour-been-disaster-welsh-economy-25470185

As someone who actually lives there (and has never voted Labour in an Senedd election) I don’t see them doing anything worse than across the border.

As an example this is due to start soon https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.business-live.co.uk/economic-development/200m-global-centre-rail-excellence-24161623.amp

They are also looking at getting a publicly owned renewable energy developer set up that will partner with the private sector.

They’ve made some bad decisions too - supporting the pie in the sky Circuit of Wales and proposed studios / theme park in Bridgend (although there has been some film studio development there). Scrapping the planned M4 relief road around Newport is still likely to have a negative impact on investment in Wales.

Slightly different from England in that Welsh Labour has has the opportunity to implement stuff. Hence the article.

Stevo_666

rjsterry said:

I think there are fair criticisms of health and education outcomes but whether that is anything to do with the colour of the rosette is anyone's guess. Grumbling about taxes being put up is pretty ironic.

The more obvious point is: If Welsh Labour is so awful, why can the Welsh Conservatives not get people to vote for them?

I'm guessing that this is a long ingrained habit where they'll vote for a hat stand if it has a red rosette on it. Takes something seismic to change it.

briantrumpet

Stevo_666 said:

Jezyboy said:

Struggle to take the 20mph point seriously tbh

Pross said:

Stevo_666 said:

Interesting article on Labour's impact in Wales. Careful
what you wish for...
https://business-live.co.uk/opinion-analysis/labour-been-disaster-welsh-economy-25470185

As someone who actually lives there (and has never voted Labour in an Senedd election) I don’t see them doing anything worse than across the border.

As an example this is due to start soon https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.business-live.co.uk/economic-development/200m-global-centre-rail-excellence-24161623.amp

They are also looking at getting a publicly owned renewable energy developer set up that will partner with the private sector.

They’ve made some bad decisions too - supporting the pie in the sky Circuit of Wales and proposed studios / theme park in Bridgend (although there has been some film studio development there). Scrapping the planned M4 relief road around Newport is still likely to have a negative impact on investment in Wales.

Slightly different from England in that Welsh Labour has has the opportunity to implement stuff. Hence the article.

Is that like the Tories having been able to implement stuff in England?