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If you think we're in trouble, look at the rest...kingstongraham said:
Nothing to see here.Stevo_666 said:
No surprise that Greece ran into trouble if they always spent more than they earned. Public debt is essence is just a running total of your net deficits (of revenues vs spending) in each year. The Greeks ran up a very large debt pile and then the market turned against them.rjsterry said:Here's the equivalent graph for Greece.
https://telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/09/20/talk-british-fiscal-crisis-vastly-overblown/
Anyway, stop diverting me from laughing at lefties on delayed nationalised trains
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Sounds like privatisation worked a treat for the railways then.Stevo_666 said:
If you think we're in trouble, look at the rest...kingstongraham said:
Nothing to see here.Stevo_666 said:
No surprise that Greece ran into trouble if they always spent more than they earned. Public debt is essence is just a running total of your net deficits (of revenues vs spending) in each year. The Greeks ran up a very large debt pile and then the market turned against them.rjsterry said:Here's the equivalent graph for Greece.
https://telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/09/20/talk-british-fiscal-crisis-vastly-overblown/
Anyway, stop diverting me from laughing at lefties on delayed nationalised trains0 -
Privatised companies are run by the government. Have you not seen the ineptitude in the current lot? Not sure it will be improved on but it's not necessarily the system's fault.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I think Mick Lynch should have known what was coming when he agreed to go on HIGNFY
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Starmer is saying the right things in his party conference speech but it is hard not to be bored by his delivery.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63042145- Genesis Croix de Fer
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If he can make politics boring again, that's a good thing.pangolin said:Starmer is saying the right things in his party conference speech but it is hard not to be bored by his delivery.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-630421450 -
I don't want to be entertained, I want good governance.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
pangolin said:
Starmer is saying the right things in his party conference speech but it is hard not to be bored by his delivery.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63042145
He's a very poor speaker, and even makes a decent script sound dull. But if the electorate can get past that (as they seem to be doing at the moment) and here a vaguely coherent set of policies that he's articulating, I'm OK with that.
Mind you, I don't find Ed Miliband any more convincing, and he's much more animated. Though Andy Burnham can bring a read script to life reasonably well, and makes you believe, through his delivery, that he believes what he says.
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Actually, are there any properly good speakers on either side of the house? I can't think of a single one, offhand.0
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I actually think Thornberry is a good speaker but I think certain men find her style mega patronising.briantrumpet said:Actually, are there any properly good speakers on either side of the house? I can't think of a single one, offhand.
Wes Streeting is pretty articulate too.0 -
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I remember that - very impressed at the time . . .briantrumpet said:This is how to do a speech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSz3xNxnPsQWilier Izoard XP0 -
laurentian said:
I remember that - very impressed at the time . . .briantrumpet said:This is how to do a speech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSz3xNxnPsQ
And yes, he could be a total windbag, but he basically took on Militant head-on in that speech. If only someone in the Tory Party could have done the same to the Bruges Group. John Major certainly wasn't that man.0 -
Pitch perfect from Lynch here.
Not often you see an articulation of a working class pov that's neither patronising nor lapses into racist code
A shame the painfully middle class woman asking the question has been cut out. She wanted to know if it was a waste of time pushing Starmer to back strikesc as he is a 'proven servant of the capitalist system and crown'
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I'm sure Stevo will be very glad at Rupa Huq's absurd comments taking some of the heat off his team.0
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Even Tim Stanley in The Telegraph almost agrees with the thread title. It seems he thinks the Tories are the mad option.
I think Stevo might have to transfer his allegiance to the Mail or Express for the news he wants.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/09/27/week-politics-changed-keir-starmers-speech-shows-labour-not/Pundits will call this speech cautious, like this snoozefest conference, but in fact it cleverly redefined the party from socialist to corporatist (as well as pro-King, pro-flag). Keir said: "There is an energy crisis and the Tories think the markets can solve it. I will use the state - and even the markets think I'm right."
This was the week everything changed in British politics. For the first time in a long time, Labour looks like the "not mad" option.
Walking away from the hall, we were besieged by anti-Brexit loons, far-Left activists and a man in a raincoat urging us not to get vaccinated. Whatever you think of Keir’s plans for Britain, his triumph as a party leader is measured in this lot's irrelevance - blown off the stage, as if by the crisp wind that gusts across the Mersey.0 -
kingstongraham said:
She's got some good lines:
Seeing the 'pork markets' quip written down actually made me laugh out loud. Good lines indeed, even if the target is now a million miles wide, and pretty well delivered.0 -
I thought the audience did very well to play along with a painful silence.ddraver said:Delivery (ironically) was awful though. It was right there Angie! Just say it like she said it!
Gah... 😔0 -
I suppose it's a good day for Labour to bury bad news:
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/21/labour-mp-chris-matheson-quits-sexually-motivated-trip-gibraltar/"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I like the fact that the DT did not put that behind the paywall.Stevo_666 said:I suppose its a good day for Labour to Bury bad news:
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/21/labour-mp-chris-matheson-quits-sexually-motivated-trip-gibraltar/
That seems like an incredibly low bar for a (effectively) sacking which suggests there is more to the story or the vast majority of MPs will be polishing up the CVs0 -
To be fair, any day this month would be a good day to bury bad news.1
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It's always worth reminding people that Labour aren't a bunch of saints.kingstongraham said:To be fair, any day this month would be a good day to bury bad news.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
For me, there would be short odds on Mordaunt being a good speaker.briantrumpet said:0 -
she's got that nicola murray lookalike thing going on, which i quite like
but then, brexiter, it's not a sign of intellectual depth is it, and murray did crash and burn as pmmy bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0
