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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,839
    briantrumpet said:

    Typical Labour politics of envy. Hit the rich...


    I hope not. Hopefully it is an article to generate a bit of attention? He should instead focus on raising taxes for those who keep saying that we should pay more - and give them what they want :)
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,292
    I think too big a Labour majority is potentially dangerous for them as it allows more in-fighting. Huge majorities are bad for democracy no matter who is in power, they also risk being bad for the Party in power (even 80 seats seems to have been too much).
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Depends. I think first term there’s enough they all want to do that a big majority would get it done.

    Smaller majority would focus the mind on the essentials.

    I think in general small but workable majorities are best. Enough that you can get stuff done but not so tight you’re hostage to the nutters and not so massive your own party is the realistic opposition.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,839
    rick_chasey said:

    Depends. I think first term there’s enough they all want to do that a big majority would get it done.

    Smaller majority would focus the mind on the essentials.

    I think in general small but workable majorities are best. Enough that you can get stuff done but not so tight you’re hostage to the nutters and not so massive your own party is the realistic opposition.

    In which case they probably want a large majority then.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,310
    A huge majority of the size being suggested for the poll would see all sorts of nutcase paper candidates elected.

    Neither party has the resources to centrally pre validate every candidate
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Depends. I think first term there’s enough they all want to do that a big majority would get it done.

    Smaller majority would focus the mind on the essentials.

    I think in general small but workable majorities are best. Enough that you can get stuff done but not so tight you’re hostage to the nutters and not so massive your own party is the realistic opposition.

    In which case they probably want a large majority then.
    Current government has had the nutters in charge for 6 years and look at the state of the place.

    Lost ground economically to all major European countries. Crock of sh!t.

    If ya gonna support the Tory party regardless of the utter disgrace of their behaviour and governance you should wind your neck in.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,839
    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Depends. I think first term there’s enough they all want to do that a big majority would get it done.

    Smaller majority would focus the mind on the essentials.

    I think in general small but workable majorities are best. Enough that you can get stuff done but not so tight you’re hostage to the nutters and not so massive your own party is the realistic opposition.

    In which case they probably want a large majority then.
    Current government has had the nutters in charge for 6 years and look at the state of the place.

    Lost ground economically to all major European countries. Crock of sh!t.

    If ya gonna support the Tory party regardless of the utter disgrace of their behaviour and governance you should wind your neck in.
    In your humble opinion.

    You going to make me wind my neck in? :smile:
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    It’s a fact Britain has materially fallen behind the rest of Europe.
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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,424
    Rick, given you clearly wouldn't vote Tory, and have stated you wouldn't vote Labour, and you don't think much of the current LibDems who you used to support, who should we all be voting for at the next election?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,839
    rick_chasey said:

    It’s a fact Britain has materially fallen behind the rest of Europe.

    I'm sure if you pick the right stats, the right start points to alert the figures look bad and some random on twitter who supports your view then you can make a case. But this is the leftie bashing thread so go do it over on the right thread...
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,292
    Dorset_Boy said:

    Rick, given you clearly wouldn't vote Tory, and have stated you wouldn't vote Labour, and you don't think much of the current LibDems who you used to support, who should we all be voting for at the next election?

    I doubt even Rick thinks he should tell people who to vote for, surely it’s up to everyone’s assessment of what is best for them and / or the country?

    I’ll probably go Lib Dem. Won’t vote Tory again until they get back to the centre and re-marginalise the loons and can’t bring myself to vote Labour or Plaid but I’m in a rock solid Labour seat so it’s a moot point.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 19,801
    Pross said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    Rick, given you clearly wouldn't vote Tory, and have stated you wouldn't vote Labour, and you don't think much of the current LibDems who you used to support, who should we all be voting for at the next election?

    I doubt even Rick thinks he should tell people who to vote for, surely it’s up to everyone’s assessment of what is best for them and / or the country?

    I’ll probably go Lib Dem. Won’t vote Tory again until they get back to the centre and re-marginalise the loons and can’t bring myself to vote Labour or Plaid but I’m in a rock solid Labour seat so it’s a moot point.
    As I've mentioned before, I'll vote for whoever will get rid of the East Devon Tory, which will probably be Lib Dem, given Labour's not got a hope. But I'd vote Labour if I had to, as the Tories need to be wiped out, so that they can go away and sort out what the hell they stand for as one party, or if they need to split in two, if it's Faragistes and centrists with irreconcilable differences.
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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,424
    My point, to a degree, is that it is very easy to sit on the side sniping and throwing mud in all directions, rather than actually coming up with any solutions.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,206
    edited October 2022
    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

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    Dorset_Boy said:

    RJSTerry - are you sure Labour have ejected the fringe? I don't think they have, and if they get a 150 odd seat majority, the hard left will raise its ugly head again, and cause moderate problems.

    Certainly ejected the ringleader. Could return as a problem in the future of course. All the more reason for the Conservatives to stop wasting everyone's time with experiments and make sure they are a credible opposition.
    The hard left will still be there - as the saying goes, socialism always fails but it never dies. They probably realise that they need to bide their time again.
    Sounding a little bit like the thought police, there. Every party has extreme outliers who probably shouldn't be there. Just look at that guy posted above that thinks Sunak isn't British.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,292
    briantrumpet said:

    Pross said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    Rick, given you clearly wouldn't vote Tory, and have stated you wouldn't vote Labour, and you don't think much of the current LibDems who you used to support, who should we all be voting for at the next election?

    I doubt even Rick thinks he should tell people who to vote for, surely it’s up to everyone’s assessment of what is best for them and / or the country?

    I’ll probably go Lib Dem. Won’t vote Tory again until they get back to the centre and re-marginalise the loons and can’t bring myself to vote Labour or Plaid but I’m in a rock solid Labour seat so it’s a moot point.
    As I've mentioned before, I'll vote for whoever will get rid of the East Devon Tory, which will probably be Lib Dem, given Labour's not got a hope. But I'd vote Labour if I had to, as the Tories need to be wiped out, so that they can go away and sort out what the hell they stand for as one party, or if they need to split in two, if it's Faragistes and centrists with irreconcilable differences.
    If I was in a Tory / Labour marginal I would possibly vote Labour next time. Tory / Lib Dem seats are going to be interesting as I can see a lot of people who don’t want the Tories going for Labour on the basis they’re the only real alternative at national level and splitting the vote.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,839
    Dorset_Boy said:

    My point, to a degree, is that it is very easy to sit on the side sniping and throwing mud in all directions, rather than actually coming up with any solutions.

    Don't spoil it it for everyone. That's what this thread is all about...
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,865
    Did the Tories see what Labour did and use it as a template? They do it without getting many people to give them £3, which lacks entrepreneurial spirit.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Dorset_Boy said:

    My point, to a degree, is that it is very easy to sit on the side sniping and throwing mud in all directions, rather than actually coming up with any solutions.

    I have plenty of solutions, and they get mixed reviews on here. It's not like I'm short of propositions on how to run a country.

    Lib dems doing well is better for politics IMO.

    I still maintain Cameron was popular after his first term because he took credit for Lib Dem policies and lumped the LDs with the Tory policies which were unpopular.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,839
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

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    Dorset_Boy said:

    RJSTerry - are you sure Labour have ejected the fringe? I don't think they have, and if they get a 150 odd seat majority, the hard left will raise its ugly head again, and cause moderate problems.

    Certainly ejected the ringleader. Could return as a problem in the future of course. All the more reason for the Conservatives to stop wasting everyone's time with experiments and make sure they are a credible opposition.
    The hard left will still be there - as the saying goes, socialism always fails but it never dies. They probably realise that they need to bide their time again.
    Sounding a little bit like the thought police, there. Every party has extreme outliers who probably shouldn't be there. Just look at that guy posted above that thinks Sunak isn't British.
    Not sure why you think that's anything like the thought police. Anyway, as you can see, radical leftiebollox is never far from the surface in the Labour party:
    https://msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/starmer-under-pressure-from-left-for-more-radical-labour-economic-programme/ar-AA13i2pY?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=6a0fadb49f824e10b2cb892465135b1a
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,206
    edited October 2022
    RLB is not even in a position of authority within the Labour Party, let alone government. I'll sleep soundly.

    Trouble is, the average member of the public is looking for a more leftie interventionist approach as noted by this Conservative think tanker (?). Certainly explains Johnson's initial popularity.



    And since Starmer has more or less adopted Conservative spending plans as far as I can see, they're going to be disappointed one way or another.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,310
    Takes some stones to come on here to highlight Labour's more radical economic ideas after what the Conservative PM has done in the last 45 days.

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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 19,801
    Have to hand it to whoever started this thread - the foresight was incredible. It seems that people must have taken the advice lately.

    Labour has gained 20,000 new members since the end of the party conference season as it gears up for a general election following the Tory party’s implosion and Liz Truss’s disastrous premiership.

    On Thursday alone – the day of Truss’s resignation after just 45 days in Downing Street – Labour gained 2,000 more members, with lapsed members rejoining and others signing up for the first time. One fundraising email on the same day generated almost £100,000 in donations.

    Although Labour’s total membership fell from heights of about 500,000 under Jeremy Corbyn to around 420,000 earlier this year, senior figures say it has now recovered to close to 450,000.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/23/labour-membership-soars-as-party-prepares-to-take-on-failing-tories-in-a-general-election
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 16,830
    rjsterry said:

    RLB is not even in a position of authority within the Labour Party, let alone government. I'll sleep soundly.

    Trouble is, the average member of the public is looking for a more leftie interventionist approach as noted by this Conservative think tanker (?). Certainly explains Johnson's initial popularity.



    And since Starmer has more or less adopted Conservative spending plans as far as I can see, they're going to be disappointed one way or another.
    Fcuk me, 13/14 of that thread is just gammon central.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,206
    First.Aspect said:

    rjsterry said:

    RLB is not even in a position of authority within the Labour Party, let alone government. I'll sleep soundly.

    Trouble is, the average member of the public is looking for a more leftie interventionist approach as noted by this Conservative think tanker (?). Certainly explains Johnson's initial popularity.



    And since Starmer has more or less adopted Conservative spending plans as far as I can see, they're going to be disappointed one way or another.
    Fcuk me, 13/14 of that thread is just gammon central.
    Leftie gammon central, please. :no_mouth:

    Actually, I'm not sure that is entirely fair. But regardless, it's a bit of a problem if you have sold yourself as economically left wing and socially conservative but in reality are neither (now market enforced).

    There's a challenge, if either party is up for it, to find a way of getting that demographic to accept the greater immigration the country needs to get us out of the hole.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 16,830
    rjsterry said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rjsterry said:

    RLB is not even in a position of authority within the Labour Party, let alone government. I'll sleep soundly.

    Trouble is, the average member of the public is looking for a more leftie interventionist approach as noted by this Conservative think tanker (?). Certainly explains Johnson's initial popularity.



    And since Starmer has more or less adopted Conservative spending plans as far as I can see, they're going to be disappointed one way or another.
    Fcuk me, 13/14 of that thread is just gammon central.
    Leftie gammon central, please. :no_mouth:

    Actually, I'm not sure that is entirely fair. But regardless, it's a bit of a problem if you have sold yourself as economically left wing and socially conservative but in reality are neither (now market enforced).

    There's a challenge, if either party is up for it, to find a way of getting that demographic to accept the greater immigration the country needs to get us out of the hole.
    It was more that 13/14 was about "culture" (aka race) and was entirely inconsistent with all of the other stats.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,206
    edited October 2022
    First.Aspect said:

    rjsterry said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rjsterry said:

    RLB is not even in a position of authority within the Labour Party, let alone government. I'll sleep soundly.

    Trouble is, the average member of the public is looking for a more leftie interventionist approach as noted by this Conservative think tanker (?). Certainly explains Johnson's initial popularity.



    And since Starmer has more or less adopted Conservative spending plans as far as I can see, they're going to be disappointed one way or another.
    Fcuk me, 13/14 of that thread is just gammon central.
    Leftie gammon central, please. :no_mouth:

    Actually, I'm not sure that is entirely fair. But regardless, it's a bit of a problem if you have sold yourself as economically left wing and socially conservative but in reality are neither (now market enforced).

    There's a challenge, if either party is up for it, to find a way of getting that demographic to accept the greater immigration the country needs to get us out of the hole.
    It was more that 13/14 was about "culture" (aka race) and was entirely inconsistent with all of the other stats.
    Goodness knows what that 75% think is being undermined, but it then I do live in London. I think it's quite a leap to jump from that to race, though. As an aside, the map in that report and many others is really misleading when the population is so unevenly distributed.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,839
    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    ...

    Dorset_Boy said:

    RJSTerry - are you sure Labour have ejected the fringe? I don't think they have, and if they get a 150 odd seat majority, the hard left will raise its ugly head again, and cause moderate problems.

    Certainly ejected the ringleader. Could return as a problem in the future of course. All the more reason for the Conservatives to stop wasting everyone's time with experiments and make sure they are a credible opposition.
    The hard left will still be there - as the saying goes, socialism always fails but it never dies. They probably realise that they need to bide their time again.
    Sounding a little bit like the thought police, there. Every party has extreme outliers who probably shouldn't be there. Just look at that guy posted above that thinks Sunak isn't British.
    Not sure why you think that's anything like the thought police. Anyway, as you can see, radical leftiebollox is never far from the surface in the Labour party:
    https://msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/starmer-under-pressure-from-left-for-more-radical-labour-economic-programme/ar-AA13i2pY?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=6a0fadb49f824e10b2cb892465135b1a
    No idea what you're on about.
    tailwindhome said:

    Takes some stones to come on here to highlight Labour's more radical economic ideas after what the Conservative PM has done in the last 45 days.

    Chapeau

    Except that the haven't actually said what those are yet. It seems to be more a soundbite or an aspiration at present. Unless you want to clarify what these great radical leftie ideas are?
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,839
    Interesting but unsurprising poll showing that the public see Sunak as better than Starmer on the economy, taxes and business. (Although to be fair, being better than a Labour leader in those areas might be seen as a pretty low bar):
    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/rishi-sunak-keir-starmer-beats-economy-taxes-business-poll-hope-tories-1938481

    Normality is starting to be restored :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,865
    Stevo_666 said:

    Interesting but unsurprising poll showing that the public see Sunak as better than Starmer on the economy, taxes and business. (Although to be fair, being better than a Labour leader in those areas might be seen as a pretty low bar):
    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/rishi-sunak-keir-starmer-beats-economy-taxes-business-poll-hope-tories-1938481

    Normality is starting to be restored :)

    If he just adopts all of Labour's positions on the economy, that's probably good, but is it what you really want?
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,206
    Stevo_666 said:

    briantrumpet said:

    Typical Labour politics of envy. Hit the rich...


    I hope not. Hopefully it is an article to generate a bit of attention? He should instead focus on raising taxes for those who keep saying that we should pay more - and give them what they want :)
    This feels a bit like crossing your fingers really tightly. I'll already be paying more from April so why should you get a let off?
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