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rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

To be fair, any day this month would be a good day to bury bad news.

It's always worth reminding people that Labour aren't a bunch of saints.

Who needs reminding? People with Alzheimers?

Stevo_666

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

To be fair, any day this month would be a good day to bury bad news.

It's always worth reminding people that Labour aren't a bunch of saints.

Who needs reminding? People with Alzheimers?

People who haven't seen them in power for well over a decade?

rick_chasey

Do articulate how they’ll be worse than this shower.

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

Do articulate how they’ll be worse than this shower.

Let's hope we don't find out.

So you going to vote Labour at the next GE?

rick_chasey

No obviously not.

rick_chasey

Labour govt would probably stop stuff like this however:

https://twitter.com/pjtheeconomist/status/1583739422247628801?s=46&t=r2n5yFQLxFNwaxEkBCUVKw

morstar

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

To be fair, any day this month would be a good day to bury bad news.

It's always worth reminding people that Labour aren't a bunch of saints.

I don't think anybody thinks they are.
Tories have set the bar so low though...

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Do articulate how they’ll be worse than this shower.

Let's hope we don't find out.

So you going to vote Labour at the next GE?

Given that we probably will find out…

What’s the positive move for the Conservative party to look like an electable party at the next general election?

Current opinion polls say decisively that they’re not so what do they do and what do they stand for to bring voters back?

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Do articulate how they’ll be worse than this shower.

Let's hope we don't find out.

So you going to vote Labour at the next GE?

Genuinely not sure what you are worried about. We've got the high taxes and high spending anyway.

pblakeney

morstar said:

...

Current opinion polls say decisively that they’re not so what do they do and what do they stand for to bring voters back?

"Don't vote for leftiebollox." and ... eh ... 🤔. Will be difficult as they've shown that the Labour money tree did in fact exist. In the form of borrowing.

Stevo_666

morstar said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

To be fair, any day this month would be a good day to bury bad news.

It's always worth reminding people that Labour aren't a bunch of saints.

I don't think anybody thinks they are.
Tories have set the bar so low though...

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Do articulate how they’ll be worse than this shower.

Let's hope we don't find out.

So you going to vote Labour at the next GE?

Given that we probably will find out…

What’s the positive move for the Conservative party to look like an electable party at the next general election?

Current opinion polls say decisively that they’re not so what do they do and what do they stand for to bring voters back?

Let the current storm blow over and remind ourselves that 2 years isn't long time in politics. Rishi looks like the best bet.

Stevo_666

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Do articulate how they’ll be worse than this shower.

Let's hope we don't find out.

So you going to vote Labour at the next GE?

Genuinely not sure what you are worried about. We've got the high taxes and high spending anyway.

If you think Labour wouldn't find a way of taxing us more then you're being a bit naive.

kingstongraham

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Do articulate how they’ll be worse than this shower.

Let's hope we don't find out.

So you going to vote Labour at the next GE?

Genuinely not sure what you are worried about. We've got the high taxes and high spending anyway.

If you think Labour wouldn't find a way of taxing us more then you're being a bit naive.

You're very naive if you think the Conservatives aren't going to need to raise taxes.

Stevo_666

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Do articulate how they’ll be worse than this shower.

Let's hope we don't find out.

So you going to vote Labour at the next GE?

Genuinely not sure what you are worried about. We've got the high taxes and high spending anyway.

If you think Labour wouldn't find a way of taxing us more then you're being a bit naive.

You're very naive if you think the Conservatives aren't going to need to raise taxes.

Which party do you think will raise taxes more?

skyblueamateur

I haven’t voted for Labour since 2008. I will be at the next election. They are vastly more credible than this shower. That’s how far we’ve fallen.

kingstongraham

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Do articulate how they’ll be worse than this shower.

Let's hope we don't find out.

So you going to vote Labour at the next GE?

Genuinely not sure what you are worried about. We've got the high taxes and high spending anyway.

If you think Labour wouldn't find a way of taxing us more then you're being a bit naive.

You're very naive if you think the Conservatives aren't going to need to raise taxes.

Which party do you think will raise taxes more?

Labour, because they will get into power when this shower have broken everything. Again.

Stevo_666

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Do articulate how they’ll be worse than this shower.

Let's hope we don't find out.

So you going to vote Labour at the next GE?

Genuinely not sure what you are worried about. We've got the high taxes and high spending anyway.

If you think Labour wouldn't find a way of taxing us more then you're being a bit naive.

You're very naive if you think the Conservatives aren't going to need to raise taxes.

Which party do you think will raise taxes more?

Labour, because they will get into power when this shower have broken everything. Again.

More likely because they want to.

When was the last time that you allude to?

kingstongraham

What are the big differences in spending policies between the parties?

Stevo_666

kingstongraham said:

What are the big differences in spending policies between the parties?

What are Labour's policies again? And can we be sure that would be in line line with what they might be if they get in?

kingstongraham

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

What are the big differences in spending policies between the parties?

What are Labour's policies again? And can we be sure that would be in line line with what they might be if they get in?

I'm sure that the Labour Party has a website if you search really hard.

kingstongraham

I'd have thought working out which Conservative party you're voting for would be more tricky.

Jezyboy

Stevo_666 said:

morstar said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

To be fair, any day this month would be a good day to bury bad news.

It's always worth reminding people that Labour aren't a bunch of saints.

I don't think anybody thinks they are.
Tories have set the bar so low though...

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Do articulate how they’ll be worse than this shower.

Let's hope we don't find out.

So you going to vote Labour at the next GE?

Given that we probably will find out…

What’s the positive move for the Conservative party to look like an electable party at the next general election?

Current opinion polls say decisively that they’re not so what do they do and what do they stand for to bring voters back?

Let the current storm blow over and remind ourselves that 2 years isn't long time in politics. Rishi looks like the best bet.

Not a long time? It's 16 PMs at the rate you're going

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Do articulate how they’ll be worse than this shower.

Let's hope we don't find out.

So you going to vote Labour at the next GE?

Genuinely not sure what you are worried about. We've got the high taxes and high spending anyway.

If you think Labour wouldn't find a way of taxing us more then you're being a bit naive.

I've been in the same business for more than 20 years. I can compare the two offerings. There's a fairly clear divide. I don't think the way either party behaved in the 70s or 80s is very relevant any more.

I suppose Labour showing that it is possible to come back from a fringe takeover provides some comfort for the Conservatives, but the Republicans over the pond show that that is certainly not guaranteed, and there are plenty of examples of other parties that blew it and never came back.

Labour had to eject the fringe to regain control. I see no sign of that happening and the Conservatives returning to their core principles.

Dorset_Boy

RJSTerry - are you sure Labour have ejected the fringe? I don't think they have, and if they get a 150 odd seat majority, the hard left will raise its ugly head again, and cause moderate problems.

rick_chasey

Dorset_Boy said:

RJSTerry - are you sure Labour have ejected the fringe? I don't think they have, and if they get a 150 odd seat majority, the hard left will raise its ugly head again, and cause moderate problems.

They’re not in charge unlike the Tory pary

skyblueamateur

Dorset_Boy said:

RJSTerry - are you sure Labour have ejected the fringe? I don't think they have, and if they get a 150 odd seat majority, the hard left will raise its ugly head again, and cause moderate problems.

I disagree. The purge is nearly complete. A lot of Far left have been deselected.

Tories would be well served at following the same methodology and purging the party of the ERG and Brexit nuts.

morstar

skyblueamateur said:

Dorset_Boy said:

RJSTerry - are you sure Labour have ejected the fringe? I don't think they have, and if they get a 150 odd seat majority, the hard left will raise its ugly head again, and cause moderate problems.

I disagree. The purge is nearly complete. A lot of Far left have been deselected.

Tories would be well served at following the same methodology and purging the party of the ERG and Brexit nuts.

They had a purge in late 2019.
Unfortunately, it was the reverse of what you describe.
Assuming they do lose in 2 years, it will be interesting to see which version of the party emerges from the aftermath.

briantrumpet

morstar said:

skyblueamateur said:

Dorset_Boy said:

RJSTerry - are you sure Labour have ejected the fringe? I don't think they have, and if they get a 150 odd seat majority, the hard left will raise its ugly head again, and cause moderate problems.

I disagree. The purge is nearly complete. A lot of Far left have been deselected.

Tories would be well served at following the same methodology and purging the party of the ERG and Brexit nuts.

They had a purge in late 2019.
Unfortunately, it was the reverse of what you describe.
Assuming they do lose in 2 years, it will be interesting to see which version of the party emerges from the aftermath.

I think the effect of the battering ram of Brexit was that in order to keep their jobs, even half-sensible Tory MPs had to accept that lying was part of the job: the committed Remainers knew it was a bunch of lies that 'got Brexit done' (and even that was a lie, other than in the legalistic sense), and they got sucked into the mindset of making decisions based on not shattering the lie rather than the pragmatism of making the right choices for the country, and hoping it'd turn out OK in the end. I think the chaos of Johnson and Truss will have either broken them enough that they just give up, or go further down the cultish rabbit-hole, declaring that black is white, because to do otherwise shatters their self-constructed illusion of 'it'll all be OK in the end'.

rjsterry

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Dorset_Boy said:

RJSTerry - are you sure Labour have ejected the fringe? I don't think they have, and if they get a 150 odd seat majority, the hard left will raise its ugly head again, and cause moderate problems.

Certainly ejected the ringleader. Could return as a problem in the future of course. All the more reason for the Conservatives to stop wasting everyone's time with experiments and make sure they are a credible opposition.

briantrumpet

Typical Labour politics of envy. Hit the rich...

Stevo_666

rjsterry said:

...

Dorset_Boy said:

RJSTerry - are you sure Labour have ejected the fringe? I don't think they have, and if they get a 150 odd seat majority, the hard left will raise its ugly head again, and cause moderate problems.

Certainly ejected the ringleader. Could return as a problem in the future of course. All the more reason for the Conservatives to stop wasting everyone's time with experiments and make sure they are a credible opposition.

The hard left will still be there - as the saying goes, socialism always fails but it never dies. They probably realise that they need to bide their time again.