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Not sure what the rest of that reply to my post was going to be. Certainly not the only thing Labour needs to do. Be vaguely inspiring would be a start - from any of them.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Interesting on this subject if you can get round the paywall...
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/a-dream-of-britain/2022/03/tony-blair-michael-sheen-interviewWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I've no idea either! Damn drafts.rjsterry said:Not sure what the rest of that reply to my post was going to be. Certainly not the only thing Labour needs to do. Be vaguely inspiring would be a start - from any of them.
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He always makes sense, as much as everyone hates him.ddraver said:Interesting on this subject if you can get round the paywall...
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/a-dream-of-britain/2022/03/tony-blair-michael-sheen-interview
Hard to disagree with much of his analysis.0 -
A bit like Jehovah's Witnesses then?kingstongraham said:
Ed Davey was all over the BBC in his response last week. You can seek out what they say pretty easily, some very good, some reliably contradictory as always - but if they aren't getting on the news so often, how are they supposed to make hay?Pross said:
They had a Shadow Minister on BBC this morning that Sophie Raworth was trying to get to answer what increase Labour would be putting on benefits. She kept going after him to answer the question instead of deflecting about the Conservatives but got nowhere. I despair at the standard of politics in the country at this time. Lib Dems should be making hay but appear to have ceased to exist.shirley_basso said:Pretty bleak that the best the opposition can do against Johnson is to say nothing.
Fwiw, I've had them knock the door twice in the last month, the only ones who have done.
They stuck a leaflet through my letterbox recently for the local council elections or whatever it was. Their argument to get us to vote Lib Dem was 'Labour haven't got a chance round here so vote for us'. Well that's me sold on it..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Another tube strike..great tweet from an NHS worker on the subject:
A lawyer not a leader? I'm sure someone coined that phrase recently.briantrumpet said:I agree with the thrust of this.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/27/keir-starmer-party-opposition-election-labourStarmer never says anything surprising or even that interesting, but instead presents himself as a calm and unexciting alternative to Johnson’s incompetence and flamboyance. Given some of the people giving him advice, it’s not surprising there are echoes of New Labour. But while Blair, Brown et al were full of ambition and vim, it all smells of the party circa 2005, when its election slogan was “Britain forward not back”, and it tried to curry favour with what we would now call “red wall” voters with a bundle of half-ideas called “the respect agenda”."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
Another tube strike..great tweet from an NHS worker on the subject:
A lawyer not a leader? I'm sure someone coined that phrase recently.briantrumpet said:I agree with the thrust of this.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/27/keir-starmer-party-opposition-election-labourStarmer never says anything surprising or even that interesting, but instead presents himself as a calm and unexciting alternative to Johnson’s incompetence and flamboyance. Given some of the people giving him advice, it’s not surprising there are echoes of New Labour. But while Blair, Brown et al were full of ambition and vim, it all smells of the party circa 2005, when its election slogan was “Britain forward not back”, and it tried to curry favour with what we would now call “red wall” voters with a bundle of half-ideas called “the respect agenda”.
Perhaps you should write for the Graun. But get your quoting sorted first.
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What would the lib dems need to say to sell you their vote?Stevo_666 said:
A bit like Jehovah's Witnesses then?kingstongraham said:
Ed Davey was all over the BBC in his response last week. You can seek out what they say pretty easily, some very good, some reliably contradictory as always - but if they aren't getting on the news so often, how are they supposed to make hay?Pross said:
They had a Shadow Minister on BBC this morning that Sophie Raworth was trying to get to answer what increase Labour would be putting on benefits. She kept going after him to answer the question instead of deflecting about the Conservatives but got nowhere. I despair at the standard of politics in the country at this time. Lib Dems should be making hay but appear to have ceased to exist.shirley_basso said:Pretty bleak that the best the opposition can do against Johnson is to say nothing.
Fwiw, I've had them knock the door twice in the last month, the only ones who have done.
They stuck a leaflet through my letterbox recently for the local council elections or whatever it was. Their argument to get us to vote Lib Dem was 'Labour haven't got a chance round here so vote for us'. Well that's me sold on it...0 -
Maybe they got hold of a list of people who ticked a box online saying they supported the aims of the Labour Party.Stevo_666 said:
A bit like Jehovah's Witnesses then?kingstongraham said:
Ed Davey was all over the BBC in his response last week. You can seek out what they say pretty easily, some very good, some reliably contradictory as always - but if they aren't getting on the news so often, how are they supposed to make hay?Pross said:
They had a Shadow Minister on BBC this morning that Sophie Raworth was trying to get to answer what increase Labour would be putting on benefits. She kept going after him to answer the question instead of deflecting about the Conservatives but got nowhere. I despair at the standard of politics in the country at this time. Lib Dems should be making hay but appear to have ceased to exist.shirley_basso said:Pretty bleak that the best the opposition can do against Johnson is to say nothing.
Fwiw, I've had them knock the door twice in the last month, the only ones who have done.
They stuck a leaflet through my letterbox recently for the local council elections or whatever it was. Their argument to get us to vote Lib Dem was 'Labour haven't got a chance round here so vote for us'. Well that's me sold on it...0 -
Bit of a pain isn't it.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:Another tube strike..great tweet from an NHS worker on the subject:
A lawyer not a leader? I'm sure someone coined that phrase recently.briantrumpet said:I agree with the thrust of this.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/27/keir-starmer-party-opposition-election-labourStarmer never says anything surprising or even that interesting, but instead presents himself as a calm and unexciting alternative to Johnson’s incompetence and flamboyance. Given some of the people giving him advice, it’s not surprising there are echoes of New Labour. But while Blair, Brown et al were full of ambition and vim, it all smells of the party circa 2005, when its election slogan was “Britain forward not back”, and it tried to curry favour with what we would now call “red wall” voters with a bundle of half-ideas called “the respect agenda”.
Perhaps you should write for the Graun. But get your quoting sorted first."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
Bit of a pain isn't it.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:Another tube strike..great tweet from an NHS worker on the subject:
A lawyer not a leader? I'm sure someone coined that phrase recently.briantrumpet said:I agree with the thrust of this.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/27/keir-starmer-party-opposition-election-labourStarmer never says anything surprising or even that interesting, but instead presents himself as a calm and unexciting alternative to Johnson’s incompetence and flamboyance. Given some of the people giving him advice, it’s not surprising there are echoes of New Labour. But while Blair, Brown et al were full of ambition and vim, it all smells of the party circa 2005, when its election slogan was “Britain forward not back”, and it tried to curry favour with what we would now call “red wall” voters with a bundle of half-ideas called “the respect agenda”.
Perhaps you should write for the Graun. But get your quoting sorted first.
It is. But it's where we are, so we probably ought just to cheer up and make the best of it.0 -
I never did that, I ticked a box that reduced their chances of turning their aims into reality. And it worked rather well.kingstongraham said:
Maybe they got hold of a list of people who ticked a box online saying they supported the aims of the Labour Party.Stevo_666 said:
A bit like Jehovah's Witnesses then?kingstongraham said:
Ed Davey was all over the BBC in his response last week. You can seek out what they say pretty easily, some very good, some reliably contradictory as always - but if they aren't getting on the news so often, how are they supposed to make hay?Pross said:
They had a Shadow Minister on BBC this morning that Sophie Raworth was trying to get to answer what increase Labour would be putting on benefits. She kept going after him to answer the question instead of deflecting about the Conservatives but got nowhere. I despair at the standard of politics in the country at this time. Lib Dems should be making hay but appear to have ceased to exist.shirley_basso said:Pretty bleak that the best the opposition can do against Johnson is to say nothing.
Fwiw, I've had them knock the door twice in the last month, the only ones who have done.
They stuck a leaflet through my letterbox recently for the local council elections or whatever it was. Their argument to get us to vote Lib Dem was 'Labour haven't got a chance round here so vote for us'. Well that's me sold on it..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Tell you what, make your pitch to me as me saying what I'd want probably isn't going to sway Lib Dem policy (whatever that is?)rick_chasey said:
What would the lib dems need to say to sell you their vote?Stevo_666 said:
A bit like Jehovah's Witnesses then?kingstongraham said:
Ed Davey was all over the BBC in his response last week. You can seek out what they say pretty easily, some very good, some reliably contradictory as always - but if they aren't getting on the news so often, how are they supposed to make hay?Pross said:
They had a Shadow Minister on BBC this morning that Sophie Raworth was trying to get to answer what increase Labour would be putting on benefits. She kept going after him to answer the question instead of deflecting about the Conservatives but got nowhere. I despair at the standard of politics in the country at this time. Lib Dems should be making hay but appear to have ceased to exist.shirley_basso said:Pretty bleak that the best the opposition can do against Johnson is to say nothing.
Fwiw, I've had them knock the door twice in the last month, the only ones who have done.
They stuck a leaflet through my letterbox recently for the local council elections or whatever it was. Their argument to get us to vote Lib Dem was 'Labour haven't got a chance round here so vote for us'. Well that's me sold on it..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Which I guess leads to the obvious question…Stevo_666 said:
I never did that, I ticked a box that reduced their chances of turning their aims into reality. And it worked rather well.kingstongraham said:
Maybe they got hold of a list of people who ticked a box online saying they supported the aims of the Labour Party.Stevo_666 said:
A bit like Jehovah's Witnesses then?kingstongraham said:
Ed Davey was all over the BBC in his response last week. You can seek out what they say pretty easily, some very good, some reliably contradictory as always - but if they aren't getting on the news so often, how are they supposed to make hay?Pross said:
They had a Shadow Minister on BBC this morning that Sophie Raworth was trying to get to answer what increase Labour would be putting on benefits. She kept going after him to answer the question instead of deflecting about the Conservatives but got nowhere. I despair at the standard of politics in the country at this time. Lib Dems should be making hay but appear to have ceased to exist.shirley_basso said:Pretty bleak that the best the opposition can do against Johnson is to say nothing.
Fwiw, I've had them knock the door twice in the last month, the only ones who have done.
They stuck a leaflet through my letterbox recently for the local council elections or whatever it was. Their argument to get us to vote Lib Dem was 'Labour haven't got a chance round here so vote for us'. Well that's me sold on it...
At what point does the cure become worse than the disease?
Must be pretty finely balanced now in the eyes of an objective observer.0 -
morstar said:
Which I guess leads to the obvious question…Stevo_666 said:
I never did that, I ticked a box that reduced their chances of turning their aims into reality. And it worked rather well.kingstongraham said:
Maybe they got hold of a list of people who ticked a box online saying they supported the aims of the Labour Party.Stevo_666 said:
A bit like Jehovah's Witnesses then?kingstongraham said:
Ed Davey was all over the BBC in his response last week. You can seek out what they say pretty easily, some very good, some reliably contradictory as always - but if they aren't getting on the news so often, how are they supposed to make hay?Pross said:
They had a Shadow Minister on BBC this morning that Sophie Raworth was trying to get to answer what increase Labour would be putting on benefits. She kept going after him to answer the question instead of deflecting about the Conservatives but got nowhere. I despair at the standard of politics in the country at this time. Lib Dems should be making hay but appear to have ceased to exist.shirley_basso said:Pretty bleak that the best the opposition can do against Johnson is to say nothing.
Fwiw, I've had them knock the door twice in the last month, the only ones who have done.
They stuck a leaflet through my letterbox recently for the local council elections or whatever it was. Their argument to get us to vote Lib Dem was 'Labour haven't got a chance round here so vote for us'. Well that's me sold on it...
At what point does the cure become worse than the disease?
Must be pretty finely balanced now in the eyes of an objective observer.
I was going to make some quip about Tories and leeches, but actually they (leeches) are quite effective, though not in the same way they were used in the past.0 -
With some text next to it.Stevo_666 said:
I never did that, I ticked a box that reduced their chances of turning their aims into reality. And it worked rather well.kingstongraham said:
Maybe they got hold of a list of people who ticked a box online saying they supported the aims of the Labour Party.Stevo_666 said:
A bit like Jehovah's Witnesses then?kingstongraham said:
Ed Davey was all over the BBC in his response last week. You can seek out what they say pretty easily, some very good, some reliably contradictory as always - but if they aren't getting on the news so often, how are they supposed to make hay?Pross said:
They had a Shadow Minister on BBC this morning that Sophie Raworth was trying to get to answer what increase Labour would be putting on benefits. She kept going after him to answer the question instead of deflecting about the Conservatives but got nowhere. I despair at the standard of politics in the country at this time. Lib Dems should be making hay but appear to have ceased to exist.shirley_basso said:Pretty bleak that the best the opposition can do against Johnson is to say nothing.
Fwiw, I've had them knock the door twice in the last month, the only ones who have done.
They stuck a leaflet through my letterbox recently for the local council elections or whatever it was. Their argument to get us to vote Lib Dem was 'Labour haven't got a chance round here so vote for us'. Well that's me sold on it...0 -
Honestly, I can’t believe I once had a debate with someone where I listened and considered the idea that he was credible.
Embarrassing.0 -
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Getting caught watching p0rn in the middle of work seems pretty scummy to me0
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Referring to all Tories as scum probably wasn't the wisest move for her, don't you think?Jezyboy said:Getting caught watching p0rn in the middle of work seems pretty scummy to me
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
What I honestly think is that tories are being snowflakes about it.1
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It was senior tories (in the cabinet) she called a "bunch of scum". She clarified "homophobic, racist, misogynistic, absolute pile of banana republic, Etonian piece of scum".Stevo_666 said:
Referring to all Tories as scum probably wasn't the wisest move for her, don't you think?Jezyboy said:Getting caught watching p0rn in the middle of work seems pretty scummy to me
I don't think she believes all tories are etonian.0 -
Did you think it was a wise thing for her to say?kingstongraham said:
It was senior tories (in the cabinet) she called a "bunch of scum". She clarified "homophobic, racist, misogynistic, absolute pile of banana republic, Etonian piece of scum".Stevo_666 said:
Referring to all Tories as scum probably wasn't the wisest move for her, don't you think?Jezyboy said:Getting caught watching p0rn in the middle of work seems pretty scummy to me
I don't think she believes all tories are etonian."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Meh really. Probably not, mainly because it would get misquoted and the misquote amplified.Stevo_666 said:
Did you think it was a wise thing for her to say?kingstongraham said:
It was senior tories (in the cabinet) she called a "bunch of scum". She clarified "homophobic, racist, misogynistic, absolute pile of banana republic, Etonian piece of scum".Stevo_666 said:
Referring to all Tories as scum probably wasn't the wisest move for her, don't you think?Jezyboy said:Getting caught watching p0rn in the middle of work seems pretty scummy to me
I don't think she believes all tories are etonian.
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Nice illustration of leftie bile as well. Sometimes it gets a bit close to the surface."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
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What would you think of a party being called "supine, protoplasmic, invertebrate jellies"?Stevo_666 said:Nice illustration of leftie bile as well. Sometimes it gets a bit close to the surface.
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Literally last year's news.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Description of Starmers Labour? Bit harsh, but I can see what they are getting at.kingstongraham said:
What would you think of a party being called "supine, protoplasmic, invertebrate jellies"?Stevo_666 said:Nice illustration of leftie bile as well. Sometimes it gets a bit close to the surface.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
There you go then.0
