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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,549
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    7 are now 8.
    8) Every little helps

    The irony of Corbyn lecturing them on being elected to promote the Labour manifesto. Obviously there's an exemption for the dear leader.

    Chris Williamson on Newsnight at the moment dismissing it as "she was going to be deselected anyway." And claiming that it is her - Joan Ryan - who is out of step with public opinion.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,397
    I hope he keeps on lelecturing them...

    In the meantime, look which former Militant member has just rejoined Labour:
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/28/derek-hatton-rejoins-labour-33-years-after-neil-kinnock-kicked-him-out

    Cracking timing in Labour's hour of need :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,549
    Keep up, that happened this morning. Not sure 8 is enough to wean May off the bowler hat brigade.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,549
    Just spotted that John Crace was referring to the Independent Group as S Club 7, and now Joan Ryan has spoiled the joke :(
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    rjsterry wrote:
    Just spotted that John Crace was referring to the Independent Group as S Club 7, and now Joan Ryan has spoiled the joke :(

    still works. Google it.
    _
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,397
    rjsterry wrote:
    Just spotted that John Crace was referring to the Independent Group as S Club 7, and now Joan Ryan has spoiled the joke :(
    In any event I think they could do do with a better name as they currently sound like a bland newspaper group.

    Still, best to wait as hopefully the number isnt final :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    rjsterry wrote:
    Keep up, that happened this morning. Not sure 8 is enough to wean May off the bowler hat brigade.

    Two more for a billion notes from Theresa
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Did you know that one or two out of the 7 had low majorities? Iirc one had 1500. At least 5 had 20,000+ majorities. Put simply some are in constituencies that aren't safe labour seats but more marginal ones.

    Would a turncoat be better off in a marginal or ridiculously safe
    Less to lose I guess. Labour mp in a safe seat might not have to do as much at GE time. Allows for more consideration on how to climb the greasy pole to the top. Like chuka Ummuna once considered then chickened out.

    Of course from a purely tory pov it's probably better a safe seat mp quits labour. Either way the more the merrier (for the Tories).
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    11

    Three MPs - Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen and Anna Soubry - leave the Tory party to join Labour breakaway group
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    This is the remain block forming
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Is it worth the political suicide? I don't think it will ever happen.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Shirley Basso wrote:
    Is it worth the political suicide? I don't think it will ever happen.

    To be able to say you did everything you could? Possibly yes.
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Shirley Basso wrote:
    Is it worth the political suicide? I don't think it will ever happen.

    To be able to say you did everything you could? Possibly yes.

    Create a Time Machine? Is that what Cern are working on, an anti Brexit device?
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,549
    TailWindHome wrote:
    This is the remain block forming

    About f***ing time.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    FocusZing wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Shirley Basso wrote:
    Is it worth the political suicide? I don't think it will ever happen.

    To be able to say you did everything you could? Possibly yes.

    Create a Time Machine? Is that what Cern are working on, an anti Brexit device?

    Have we left already then?
  • Alejandrosdog
    Alejandrosdog Posts: 1,975
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Shirley Basso wrote:
    Is it worth the political suicide? I don't think it will ever happen.

    To be able to say you did everything you could? Possibly yes.

    Create a Time Machine? Is that what Cern are working on, an anti Brexit device?

    Have we left already then?

    yes weeks ago, youre not aware because weve come back in time but you are a historic current time being. (HCT) its amazing to see so many people in the world 50 years before the great extinction. :)
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,559
    Why would the Swiss be working on a time machine to keep us in the EU?
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    rjsterry wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    This is the remain block forming

    About f***ing time.

    Like it will make any difference. These 3 anti-democrats were already part of the remain voting block.

    The 3 Tories have jumped before they were deselected for no longer respecting the manifesto that they stood on. They've shown they only respect democracy when it suits them.

    In the long term this has strengthened the Tory party as these 3 had become a toxic to the party.
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    In the long term this has strengthened the Tory party as these 3 had become a toxic to the party.

    Leaving the remainder of the Tory party a mere 97% toxic....
    Faster than a tent.......
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    Dorset Boy wrote:
    Why would the Swiss be working on a time machine to keep us in the EU?

    They are doing it because they like watches time and things. Where as the other countries are doing it for their own reasons. America are involved because...
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,397
    edited February 2019
    rjsterry wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    This is the remain block forming

    About f***ing time.
    Possibly too late.

    Although look on the bright side, in the space of 2 days they have pretty much same level of parliamentary clout as the Lib Dems have in over 30 years :D
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    This is the remain block forming

    About f***ing time.

    Like it will make any difference. These 3 anti-democrats were already part of the remain voting block.

    The 3 Tories have jumped before they were deselected for no longer respecting the manifesto that they stood on. They've shown they only respect democracy when it suits them.

    In the long term this has strengthened the Tory party as these 3 had become a toxic to the party.

    Now they just need to get the 30-40 ERG nutters to b*gger off to UKIP and then you would have one almost coherent political party.
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    This is the remain block forming

    About f***ing time.

    Like it will make any difference. These 3 anti-democrats were already part of the remain voting block.

    The 3 Tories have jumped before they were deselected for no longer respecting the manifesto that they stood on. They've shown they only respect democracy when it suits them.

    In the long term this has strengthened the Tory party as these 3 had become a toxic to the party.

    Now they just need to get the 30-40 ERG nutters to b*gger off to UKIP and then you would have one almost coherent political party.

    Yet the ERG represent 70% of the Tory membership and a large number of the 17.4m leavers. The other Conservative MP's are being loyal to the PM/party. You are the one that out of touch :lol:
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    This is the remain block forming

    About f***ing time.

    Like it will make any difference. These 3 anti-democrats were already part of the remain voting block.

    The 3 Tories have jumped before they were deselected for no longer respecting the manifesto that they stood on. They've shown they only respect democracy when it suits them.

    In the long term this has strengthened the Tory party as these 3 had become a toxic to the party.

    Now they just need to get the 30-40 ERG nutters to b*gger off to UKIP and then you would have one almost coherent political party.
    More likely UKip will take over 'even more' of the tory party, well on their way to self implosion
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    This is the remain block forming

    About f***ing time.

    Like it will make any difference. These 3 anti-democrats were already part of the remain voting block.

    The 3 Tories have jumped before they were deselected for no longer respecting the manifesto that they stood on. They've shown they only respect democracy when it suits them.

    In the long term this has strengthened the Tory party as these 3 had become a toxic to the party.

    Now they just need to get the 30-40 ERG nutters to b*gger off to UKIP and then you would have one almost coherent political party.

    Yet the ERG represent 70% of the Tory membership and a large number of the 17.4m leavers.

    Is there any fact behind this or are you just making stuff up? I'm surprised that you'd think that 70% of the Tory membership are deranged moronic imbeciles though.
    Faster than a tent.......
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Rolf F wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    This is the remain block forming

    About f***ing time.

    Like it will make any difference. These 3 anti-democrats were already part of the remain voting block.

    The 3 Tories have jumped before they were deselected for no longer respecting the manifesto that they stood on. They've shown they only respect democracy when it suits them.

    In the long term this has strengthened the Tory party as these 3 had become a toxic to the party.

    Now they just need to get the 30-40 ERG nutters to b*gger off to UKIP and then you would have one almost coherent political party.

    Yet the ERG represent 70% of the Tory membership and a large number of the 17.4m leavers.

    Is there any fact behind this or are you just making stuff up? I'm surprised that you'd think that 70% of the Tory membership are deranged moronic imbeciles though.

    Probably looks inwards and multiplies by 17.4m
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    This is the remain block forming

    About f***ing time.

    Like it will make any difference. These 3 anti-democrats were already part of the remain voting block.

    The 3 Tories have jumped before they were deselected for no longer respecting the manifesto that they stood on. They've shown they only respect democracy when it suits them.

    In the long term this has strengthened the Tory party as these 3 had become a toxic to the party.

    Now they just need to get the 30-40 ERG nutters to b*gger off to UKIP and then you would have one almost coherent political party.

    Yet the ERG represent 70% of the Tory membership and a large number of the 17.4m leavers. The other Conservative MP's are being loyal to the PM/party. You are the one that out of touch :lol:

    Not sure why you are saying I am out of touch, other than to try and get a rise, since I never said anything to that effect - it's a statement of fact that the Tory party is currently split into the ERG types (30-40, possibly up to 50 including the slightly less slavering Eurosceptics) and the rest.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Rolf F wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    This is the remain block forming

    About f***ing time.

    Like it will make any difference. These 3 anti-democrats were already part of the remain voting block.

    The 3 Tories have jumped before they were deselected for no longer respecting the manifesto that they stood on. They've shown they only respect democracy when it suits them.

    In the long term this has strengthened the Tory party as these 3 had become a toxic to the party.

    Now they just need to get the 30-40 ERG nutters to b*gger off to UKIP and then you would have one almost coherent political party.

    Yet the ERG represent 70% of the Tory membership and a large number of the 17.4m leavers.

    Is there any fact behind this or are you just making stuff up? I'm surprised that you'd think that 70% of the Tory membership are deranged moronic imbeciles though.

    Surely the opposite of a Venn diagram
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    This is the remain block forming

    About f***ing time.

    Like it will make any difference. These 3 anti-democrats were already part of the remain voting block.

    The 3 Tories have jumped before they were deselected for no longer respecting the manifesto that they stood on. They've shown they only respect democracy when it suits them.

    In the long term this has strengthened the Tory party as these 3 had become a toxic to the party.

    Now they just need to get the 30-40 ERG nutters to b*gger off to UKIP and then you would have one almost coherent political party.

    Yet the ERG represent 70% of the Tory membership and a large number of the 17.4m leavers. The other Conservative MP's are being loyal to the PM/party. You are the one that out of touch :lol:

    Not sure why you are saying I am out of touch, other than to try and get a rise, since I never said anything to that effect - it's a statement of fact that the Tory party is currently split into the ERG types (30-40, possibly up to 50 including the slightly less slavering Eurosceptics) and the rest.

    In fairness to Coopster the 2nd he is talking about the membership and 70% sounds low. To suggest that the 17.4 million are in lockstep with the ERG is very strange
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    This is the remain block forming

    About f***ing time.

    Like it will make any difference. These 3 anti-democrats were already part of the remain voting block.

    The 3 Tories have jumped before they were deselected for no longer respecting the manifesto that they stood on. They've shown they only respect democracy when it suits them.

    In the long term this has strengthened the Tory party as these 3 had become a toxic to the party.

    Now they just need to get the 30-40 ERG nutters to b*gger off to UKIP and then you would have one almost coherent political party.

    Yet the ERG represent 70% of the Tory membership and a large number of the 17.4m leavers. The other Conservative MP's are being loyal to the PM/party. You are the one that out of touch :lol:

    Not sure why you are saying I am out of touch, other than to try and get a rise, since I never said anything to that effect - it's a statement of fact that the Tory party is currently split into the ERG types (30-40, possibly up to 50 including the slightly less slavering Eurosceptics) and the rest.

    In fairness to Coopster the 2nd he is talking about the membership and 70% sounds low. To suggest that the 17.4 million are in lockstep with the ERG is very strange

    No, I can see what he is saying, and I wasn't going to disagree with it* - but it doesn't contradict what I said about the party.


    *70% - sure, not going to argue, I don't have any stats - you're right it sounds like it might be low though - but again doesn't really affect what I said. I was going to comment on the 17.4m as well, but he's only said "large number" which could mean anything, presumably he left it vague specifically to get people to comment (or am I giving him too much credit).

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