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rick_chasey

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

It’s a documentary worth watching if you haven’t.

I've read the above article previously Could be read as the Liberals failure to get enough votes and seats in parliament in 2015 was a trigger for the Brexit referendum. You'll have that on your conscience for a bit

Ah the logic of the domestic abuser.

“You made me do this”.

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

It’s a documentary worth watching if you haven’t.

I've read the above article previously Could be read as the Liberals failure to get enough votes and seats in parliament in 2015 was a trigger for the Brexit referendum. You'll have that on your conscience for a bit

Ah the logic of the domestic abuser.

“You made me do this”.

I love your little slurs Rick

Lib Dem failure quite possiby caused Brexit and all you can do is compare me fo a wife beater. I learned my deflection techniques from you

Stevo_666

Independent Group is now the 4th largest party in Parliament...

rick_chasey

No, just comparable logic used.

Trust you to lose that nuance.

FocusZing

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

It’s a documentary worth watching if you haven’t.

I've read the above article previously Could be read as the Liberals failure to get enough votes and seats in parliament in 2015 was a trigger for the Brexit referendum. You'll have that on your conscience for a bit

Ah the logic of the domestic abuser.

“You made me do this”.

I love your little slurs Rick

Lib Dem failure quite possiby caused Brexit and all you can do is compare me fo a wife beater. I learned my deflection techniques from you

Ha, 20 years from now you will both be on here arguing about paint colour or a matt gloss finish.

rjsterry

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

It’s a documentary worth watching if you haven’t.

I've read the above article previously Could be read as the Liberals failure to get enough votes and seats in parliament in 2015 was a trigger for the Brexit referendum. You'll have that on your conscience for a bit

Ah the logic of the domestic abuser.

“You made me do this”.

I love your little slurs Rick

Lib Dem failure quite possiby caused Brexit and all you can do is compare me fo a wife beater. I learned my deflection techniques from you

Clearly Clegg was outplayed in the coalition and was dumped by a lot of centre left voters who mistakenly thought Corbyn was something new and exciting. But the idea that the LibDems bear primary responsibility for failing to halt Cameron's gamble, which he went ahead with against the advice of his Chancellor, is just ridiculous. When it came to the referendum the remain campaign was badly thought out and disorganised - I seem to remember Cameron and Osborne insisted on leading that - and all those involved bear some responsibility for that.

kingstongraham

Stevo 666 wrote:

I love this Lib Dem generalisation about 'curbing the Tories'. No, you just got in the way and destroyed your own electoral credibility with your sandal wearing core voters in the process.

"If it wasn't for the pesky Lib Dems, we could have had this sort of success years ago."

coopster_the_1st

Stevo 666 wrote:

Independent Group is now the 4th largest party in Parliament...

Not yet.

Seems he does not want to join a group that doesn't respect the democratic result of the 2016 referendum.

Looks like this will switch to a Conservative seat if he stands as a Independent whenever a constituency election takes place as he will split the Labour vote.

Pross

Stevo 666 wrote:

Independent Group is now the 4th largest party in Parliament...

Except it isn't a Party.

Stevo_666

Pross wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Independent Group is now the 4th largest party in Parliament...

Except it isn't a Party.

Party, group, whatever.

ballysmate

KingstonGraham wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

I love this Lib Dem generalisation about 'curbing the Tories'. No, you just got in the way and destroyed your own electoral credibility with your sandal wearing core voters in the process.

"If it wasn't for the pesky Lib Dems, we could have had this sort of success years ago."

In the interest of fairness, I would like to say that perhaps the Libdems have been unfairly maligned. Perhaps they were a party ahead of the times. They were the party that wanted a referendum back in 2008. Perhaps Cameron came under the spell of the Svengali like Clegg during their time in coalition.

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

No, just comparable logic used.

Trust you to lose that nuance.

Sometimes I choose to ignore your attempt to look like a smartarse Especially when you make crude comparisons like the above.

On a completely different note I'll be up in Cambridge next week to pick up my new car. I'll be sure to wave to any hatchet faced cyclists with halos above their heads as I rumble through town

ballysmate

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

No, just comparable logic used.

Trust you to lose that nuance.

Sometimes I choose to ignore your attempt to look like a smartarse Especially when you make curde comparisons like the above.

On a completely different note I'll be up in Cambridge next week to pick up my new car. I'll be sure to wave to any hatchet faced cyclists with halos above their heads as I rumble through town

Especially look out for a pixie sized cyclist.

bobmcstuff

KingstonGraham wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

I love this Lib Dem generalisation about 'curbing the Tories'. No, you just got in the way and destroyed your own electoral credibility with your sandal wearing core voters in the process.

"If it wasn't for the pesky Lib Dems, we could have had this sort of success years ago."

Splutter.

What the Tories would have done better in a majority government 2010-2015? Pull the other one...

Stevo_666

Ballysmate wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

No, just comparable logic used.

Trust you to lose that nuance.

Sometimes I choose to ignore your attempt to look like a smartarse Especially when you make curde comparisons like the above.

On a completely different note I'll be up in Cambridge next week to pick up my new car. I'll be sure to wave to any hatchet faced cyclists with halos above their heads as I rumble through town

Especially look out for a pixie sized cyclist.

I'll keep an eye out. Wouldn't want to scratch the paintwork on The Panzer when I've just bought it

FocusZing

Stevo 666 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

No, just comparable logic used.

Trust you to lose that nuance.

Sometimes I choose to ignore your attempt to look like a smartarse Especially when you make curde comparisons like the above.

On a completely different note I'll be up in Cambridge next week to pick up my new car. I'll be sure to wave to any hatchet faced cyclists with halos above their heads as I rumble through town

Especially look out for a pixie sized cyclist.

I'll keep an eye out. Wouldn't want to scratch the paintwork on The Panzer when I've just bought it

You want the EU to fail which I can only assume means you want out of the EU, yet you are buying a German car. Why not buy British, JLR?

Stevo_666

FocusZing wrote:

You want the EU to fail which I can only assume means you want out of the EU, yet you are buying a German car. Why not buy British, JLR?

I've said several times that I voted to remain :roll: Call me a reluctant remainer if you like, as like several on here I have reservations about the EU and have said not long ago on here where I think the EU/Eurozone is headed for major problems.

Wanting the EU is to fail is maybe too strong a phrase. However in the same way that some people on here appear to want the UK to fail but say they don't really want that, then I may well be walking round saying 'I told you so' if the sh1t does hit the fan.

As for car choice, it was a close run decision and JLR were definitely in the mix - maybe next time. In the end it wasn't down to nationality of manufacture, rather more usual factors of practicality, availability, and more personal stuff like ticking a box on my bucket list. Plus there were good deals to be had as Euro based car companies presumably got twitchy about tariffs and so on hitting sales. Every cloud etc

FocusZing

Stevo 666 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

You want the EU to fail which I can only assume means you want out of the EU, yet you are buying a German car. Why not buy British, JLR?

I've said several times that I voted to remain :roll: Call me a reluctant remainer if you like, as like several on here I have reservations about the EU and have said not long ago on here where I think the EU/Eurozone is headed for major problems.

Wanting the EU is to fail is maybe too strong a phrase. However in the same way that some people on here appear to want the UK to fail but say they don't really want that, then I may well be walking round saying 'I told you so' if the sh1t does hit the fan.

As for car choice, it was a close run decision and JLR were definitely in the mix - maybe next time. In the end it wasn't down to nationality of manufacture, rather more usual factors of practicality, availability, and more personal stuff like ticking a box on my bucket list. Plus there were good deals to be had as Euro based car companies presumably got twitchy about tariffs and so on hitting sales. Every cloud etc

Fair enough, enjoy the car:)

Stevo_666

FocusZing wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

You want the EU to fail which I can only assume means you want out of the EU, yet you are buying a German car. Why not buy British, JLR?

I've said several times that I voted to remain :roll: Call me a reluctant remainer if you like, as like several on here I have reservations about the EU and have said not long ago on here where I think the EU/Eurozone is headed for major problems.

Wanting the EU is to fail is maybe too strong a phrase. However in the same way that some people on here appear to want the UK to fail but say they don't really want that, then I may well be walking round saying 'I told you so' if the sh1t does hit the fan.

As for car choice, it was a close run decision and JLR were definitely in the mix - maybe next time. In the end it wasn't down to nationality of manufacture, rather more usual factors of practicality, availability, and more personal stuff like ticking a box on my bucket list. Plus there were good deals to be had as Euro based car companies presumably got twitchy about tariffs and so on hitting sales. Every cloud etc

Fair enough, enjoy the car:)

Thanks FZ. That's one certainty in an uncertain world :twisted:

orraloon

Stevo 666 wrote:

Plus there were good deals to be had as Euro based car companies presumably got twitchy about tariffs and so on hitting sales. Every cloud etc

There may be something in that. Daughter #1 has just got rid of the Corsa she's had since being a student, despite doing minimal miles and husband having the fueled up company motor. She got a remarkably good deal on a 16 plate Beemer with v low mileage and is pleased as anything. She told me about the dealer's offer and I had to say, yip that's pretty bleepin' good.

Stevo_666

orraloon wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Plus there were good deals to be had as Euro based car companies presumably got twitchy about tariffs and so on hitting sales. Every cloud etc

There may be something in that. Daughter #1 has just got rid of the Corsa she's had since being a student, despite doing minimal miles and husband having the fueled up company motor. She got a remarkably good deal on a 16 plate Beemer with v low mileage and is pleased as anything. She told me about the dealer's offer and I had to say, yip that's pretty bleepin' good.

Also a bit of general uncertainty will put off a few non-essential big ticket purchases. Whatever the reasons, there are/were good deals out there. Best to pitch up just before the end of a quarter as their sales targets and dealer kickbacks are usially done quarterly and if they need an extra sale or two to get them 'over the line', then they'll put in a good offer.

Just don't try to sell a diesel just now, as Sadiq's Ultra Low Emission Zone introduction means every ****er is trying to get shot of them.

rjsterry

"There's no antisemitism on this lane."

What Luciana Berger was leaving.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... rek-hatton

tangled_metal

Wow! I really didn't think Labour had a problem as big as that. I thought it was a real minority. That article seems to paint the party and its voters as antisemitic. The lifelong Labour voters seeing nothing wrong with hatton's tweet. Then once it was explained they only say he went a bit too far but there's two sides to n everything. Yes, there's antisemitism and denial of antisemitism.

Stevo_666

Tangled Metal wrote:

Wow! I really didn't think Labour had a problem as big as that. I thought it was a real minority. That article seems to paint the party and its voters as antisemitic. The lifelong Labour voters seeing nothing wrong with hatton's tweet. Then once it was explained they only say he went a bit too far but there's two sides to n everything. Yes, there's antisemitism and denial of antisemitism.

I'm not so sure why you're so surprised TM. The amount of media exposure and duration of this issue would not have been so if there wasn't a pretty big problem with it in the Labour party.

tangled_metal

It's not the issue on CLPs but the issue in all aspects of labour. Trots taking over CLPs and their obvious antisemitism was a given. It's the fact labour areas seem to be rife with antisemitism. If that article is to be believed.

The Rothschild trope made it into the article. Teachers didn't understand the meaning of Hatton's tweet. Then dismissed it as a bit too far.

Sorry but it is a surprise to me. I used to visit family in strong Labour areas of Liverpool as a kid it's been a long time since those days but I never encountered antisemitism back then. Either I'm more aware now or it was less open back then. That was back in the militant era of Liverpool Council. Hatton's cronies owned Liverpool Council then too. It wasn't in the ordinary guy on the street.

It's one thing to accept it's in the party activists / momentum. It's something else to think it's in those who just turn out to vote for a red rosette. It makes it a wider society issue I reckon.

Ben6899

Tangled Metal wrote:

...and its voters as antisemitic.

Now hang on.

ballysmate

Ben6899 wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

...and its voters as antisemitic.

Now hang on.

TM didn't say that Labour voters are antisemitic. He said the article suggested it.

That article seems to paint the party and its voters as antisemitic.

Ben6899

Ballysmate wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

...and its voters as antisemitic.

Now hang on.

TM didn't say that Labour voters are antisemitic. He said the article suggested it.

That article seems to paint the party and its voters as antisemitic.

I know. I should have been clearer in my protest. Thanks.

DeVlaeminck

If anti semitism is rife in the Labour Party why aren't the police prosecuting for hate crime?

DeVlaeminck

rjsterry wrote:

DeVlaeminck wrote:

It's a problem though if adults in public life can't discuss issues for fear of falling foul of being called anti Semitic. It is being used as a way of shutting down debate over Israel and more widely of simply smearing political opponents. If I were say a Labour councillor I'd probably be risking suspension just for this post.

Is that really what you think Hatton was doing?

Never trust anyone that makes up their own nickname.

What Hatton was doing? No I think that is what those who argue that is an anti Semitic tweet are doing. I think Hatton was criticising Israeli policy towards Palestinians.

Yes it can be argued that he is imposing a moral duty on Jews to take an interest in Israel's actions but isn't it true that many do anyway? I don't see anything wrong in that either btw, it's not a criticism of British Jews just a fact, I'm sure if I were Jewish chances are I'd be more engaged in the politics of that region.