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Not really either, it probably wouldn't be working even if he wasn't. Although the word 'leader' is used here in the loosest sense.Jez mon wrote:"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
Not really either, it probably wouldn't be working even if he wasn't. Although the word 'leader' is used here in the loosest sense.Jez mon wrote:
Perhaps.
Possibly a more sensible opposition would admit that TMs deal is as "good" a deal as is likely.
By all means they should vote against because they don't feel it is soft/hard enough, but to vote against it and claim that you could renegotiate better terms in the few months left, against a load of peeved off bureaucrats is just idiotic.You live and learn. At any rate, you live0 -
As I see it they are only interested in using this to grab power. Corbyn wants to leave the EU for his own reasons but doesn't have the balls to say so.Jez mon wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
Not really either, it probably wouldn't be working even if he wasn't. Although the word 'leader' is used here in the loosest sense.Jez mon wrote:
Perhaps.
Possibly a more sensible opposition would admit that TMs deal is as "good" a deal as is likely.
By all means they should vote against because they don't feel it is soft/hard enough, but to vote against it and claim that you could renegotiate better terms in the few months left, against a load of peeved off bureaucrats is just idiotic."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
As I see it they are only interested in using this to grab power. Corbyn wants to leave the EU for his own reasons but doesn't have the balls to say so.Jez mon wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
Not really either, it probably wouldn't be working even if he wasn't. Although the word 'leader' is used here in the loosest sense.Jez mon wrote:
Perhaps.
Possibly a more sensible opposition would admit that TMs deal is as "good" a deal as is likely.
By all means they should vote against because they don't feel it is soft/hard enough, but to vote against it and claim that you could renegotiate better terms in the few months left, against a load of peeved off bureaucrats is just idiotic.
Whether it is a lack of nerve or basic self preservation, announcing that he was definitely a Leaver would lose him most of his young/Momentum support.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Yes he's playing politics but he is a politician and to paraphrase Marx the point of politics isn't to talk about the state of the country but to change it - and to do that he needs to be elected.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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rjsterry wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
As I see it they are only interested in using this to grab power. Corbyn wants to leave the EU for his own reasons but doesn't have the balls to say so.Jez mon wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
Not really either, it probably wouldn't be working even if he wasn't. Although the word 'leader' is used here in the loosest sense.Jez mon wrote:
Perhaps.
Possibly a more sensible opposition would admit that TMs deal is as "good" a deal as is likely.
By all means they should vote against because they don't feel it is soft/hard enough, but to vote against it and claim that you could renegotiate better terms in the few months left, against a load of peeved off bureaucrats is just idiotic.
Whether it is a lack of nerve or basic self preservation, announcing that he was definitely a Leaver would lose him most of his young/Momentum support.
Hasn't he spent his entire political life announcing precisely that?0 -
But the game he's playing is a bit like trying to be appointed captain of the Titanic whilst it steams towards an iceberg. He might succeed, but will be left as captain of a leaky lifeboat, if he's lucky.DeVlaeminck wrote:Yes he's playing politics but he is a politician and to paraphrase Marx the point of politics isn't to talk about the state of the country but to change it - and to do that he needs to be elected.0 -
If Corbyn ever gets in, all we will be left with is a leaky lifeboat regardless of what state the country might be in beforehand.briantrumpet wrote:
But the game he's playing is a bit like trying to be appointed captain of the Titanic whilst it steams towards an iceberg. He might succeed, but will be left as captain of a leaky lifeboat, if he's lucky.DeVlaeminck wrote:Yes he's playing politics but he is a politician and to paraphrase Marx the point of politics isn't to talk about the state of the country but to change it - and to do that he needs to be elected."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Well done on voting to make that more likely.Stevo 666 wrote:
If Corbyn ever gets in, all we will be left with is a leaky lifeboat regardless of what state the country might be in beforehand.briantrumpet wrote:
But the game he's playing is a bit like trying to be appointed captain of the Titanic whilst it steams towards an iceberg. He might succeed, but will be left as captain of a leaky lifeboat, if he's lucky.DeVlaeminck wrote:Yes he's playing politics but he is a politician and to paraphrase Marx the point of politics isn't to talk about the state of the country but to change it - and to do that he needs to be elected.0 -
Just as well it's a low probability - mainly because of who is Labour 'leader'. You can thank me later...KingstonGraham wrote:
Well done on voting to make that more likely.Stevo 666 wrote:
If Corbyn ever gets in, all we will be left with is a leaky lifeboat regardless of what state the country might be in beforehand.briantrumpet wrote:
But the game he's playing is a bit like trying to be appointed captain of the Titanic whilst it steams towards an iceberg. He might succeed, but will be left as captain of a leaky lifeboat, if he's lucky.DeVlaeminck wrote:Yes he's playing politics but he is a politician and to paraphrase Marx the point of politics isn't to talk about the state of the country but to change it - and to do that he needs to be elected."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
If Corbyn ever gets in, all we will be left with is a leaky lifeboat regardless of what state the country might be in beforehand.briantrumpet wrote:
But the game he's playing is a bit like trying to be appointed captain of the Titanic whilst it steams towards an iceberg. He might succeed, but will be left as captain of a leaky lifeboat, if he's lucky.DeVlaeminck wrote:Yes he's playing politics but he is a politician and to paraphrase Marx the point of politics isn't to talk about the state of the country but to change it - and to do that he needs to be elected.
How will we know the difference?Faster than a tent.......0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
Just as well it's a low probability - mainly because of who is Labour 'leader'. You can thank me later...KingstonGraham wrote:
Well done on voting to make that more likely.Stevo 666 wrote:
If Corbyn ever gets in, all we will be left with is a leaky lifeboat regardless of what state the country might be in beforehand.briantrumpet wrote:
But the game he's playing is a bit like trying to be appointed captain of the Titanic whilst it steams towards an iceberg. He might succeed, but will be left as captain of a leaky lifeboat, if he's lucky.DeVlaeminck wrote:Yes he's playing politics but he is a politician and to paraphrase Marx the point of politics isn't to talk about the state of the country but to change it - and to do that he needs to be elected.
I think the chance of Corbyn being PM is actually quite a lot higher because of who is Labour leader.0 -
If it's any comfort for you the last 'decision tree' analysis I saw from one of the banks put the chances of a Corbyn government at less than 3%, plays the chances of no Brexit at slightly over 10%. Only forecasts obviously, but I think you are overestimating Corbyn.KingstonGraham wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
Just as well it's a low probability - mainly because of who is Labour 'leader'. You can thank me later...KingstonGraham wrote:
Well done on voting to make that more likely.Stevo 666 wrote:
If Corbyn ever gets in, all we will be left with is a leaky lifeboat regardless of what state the country might be in beforehand.briantrumpet wrote:
But the game he's playing is a bit like trying to be appointed captain of the Titanic whilst it steams towards an iceberg. He might succeed, but will be left as captain of a leaky lifeboat, if he's lucky.DeVlaeminck wrote:Yes he's playing politics but he is a politician and to paraphrase Marx the point of politics isn't to talk about the state of the country but to change it - and to do that he needs to be elected.
I think the chance of Corbyn being PM is actually quite a lot higher because of who is Labour leader."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Corbyn vs May in Ashcroft poll is 46% v 54%
Corbyn vs Johnson is 50% v 50%
Odds on next PM are 5/1 Johnson or Raab, 6/1 Corbyn, 7/1 Javid, 10/1 Gove or Hunt. Unbelievable.0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
If it's any comfort for you the last 'decision tree' analysis I saw from one of the banks put the chances of a Corbyn government at less than 3%, plays the chances of no Brexit at slightly over 10%. Only forecasts obviously, but I think you are overestimating Corbyn.KingstonGraham wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
Just as well it's a low probability - mainly because of who is Labour 'leader'. You can thank me later...KingstonGraham wrote:
Well done on voting to make that more likely.Stevo 666 wrote:
If Corbyn ever gets in, all we will be left with is a leaky lifeboat regardless of what state the country might be in beforehand.briantrumpet wrote:
But the game he's playing is a bit like trying to be appointed captain of the Titanic whilst it steams towards an iceberg. He might succeed, but will be left as captain of a leaky lifeboat, if he's lucky.DeVlaeminck wrote:Yes he's playing politics but he is a politician and to paraphrase Marx the point of politics isn't to talk about the state of the country but to change it - and to do that he needs to be elected.
I think the chance of Corbyn being PM is actually quite a lot higher because of who is Labour leader.
Absolutely not, I think you are underestimating the potential for a vote against this shower, on the basis that "it can't be worse". Which it obviously can, even now.0 -
I'd rather he didn't currently have the position of influence he currently has.0
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Sad to say, he looks more impressive than May today. Even though he is talking just as much nonsense.0
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When your opposition eats itself in front of you, it's as good as impossible not to look impressive. But I have to disagree with you - Corbyn seems to be managing....KingstonGraham wrote:Sad to say, he looks more impressive than May today. Even though he is talking just as much nonsense.0 -
bompington wrote:
When your opposition eats itself in front of you, it's as good as impossible not to look impressive. But I have to disagree with you - Corbyn seems to be managing....KingstonGraham wrote:Sad to say, he looks more impressive than May today. Even though he is talking just as much nonsense.
I said "more impressive than May".0 -
And that, in a nutshell, is why so many voted for Brexit, thinking "it can't be worse". We now know it can... and we haven't reached the bottom yet.KingstonGraham wrote:Absolutely not, I think you are underestimating the potential for a vote against this shower, on the basis that "it can't be worse". Which it obviously can, even now.0 -
Any odds on the Lib Dems? Might be worth putting a couple of quid on as you could probably win millions if the bet came offKingstonGraham wrote:Corbyn vs May in Ashcroft poll is 46% v 54%
Corbyn vs Johnson is 50% v 50%
Odds on next PM are 5/1 Johnson or Raab, 6/1 Corbyn, 7/1 Javid, 10/1 Gove or Hunt. Unbelievable.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
Any odds on the Lib Dems? Might be worth putting a couple of quid on as you could probably win millions if the bet came offKingstonGraham wrote:Corbyn vs May in Ashcroft poll is 46% v 54%
Corbyn vs Johnson is 50% v 50%
Odds on next PM are 5/1 Johnson or Raab, 6/1 Corbyn, 7/1 Javid, 10/1 Gove or Hunt. Unbelievable.
I'd check, but I don't even know who their leader is just now. Isn't still Vince is it?0 -
No idea. I can only just remember the name of the party.KingstonGraham wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
Any odds on the Lib Dems? Might be worth putting a couple of quid on as you could probably win millions if the bet came offKingstonGraham wrote:Corbyn vs May in Ashcroft poll is 46% v 54%
Corbyn vs Johnson is 50% v 50%
Odds on next PM are 5/1 Johnson or Raab, 6/1 Corbyn, 7/1 Javid, 10/1 Gove or Hunt. Unbelievable.
I'd check, but I don't even know who their leader is just now. Isn't still Vince is it?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
May has conceded she won't fight the next GE. God help us all if the party picks Boris as a replacement (current favourite among members just ahead of Javid).
Apparently some MPs at the meeting were in tears over this news. :shock:
This is all after she has delivered an orderly Brexit.
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Just reading the Evening Standard. Apparently Boris has the best odds at the bookies and the view aired by one ex-minister is that 'if he gets on the ballot paper, he wins'.rjsterry wrote:May has conceded she won't fight the next GE. God help us all if the party picks Boris as a replacement (current favourite among members just ahead of Javid).
Apparently some MPs at the meeting were in tears over this news. :shock:
This is all after she has delivered an orderly Brexit.
Fasten your seatbelts..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Do we all need to become Conservative party members so that we can make sure he doesn't get in?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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How much is membership of the tory party? When would the cut off for being allowed to vote in a leadership vote? It might be too late if tm loses.0
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She just won. There's now a thread about joining the Tory party and saving the country - go fill yer bootsTangled Metal wrote:How much is membership of the tory party? When would the cut off for being allowed to vote in a leadership vote? It might be too late if tm loses. "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
