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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    No point rushing. I'll see how it goes for her free year then try to guess when the next leadership contest muggy happen to join 3 months before the contest. If it's monthly payment I want to pay as little as possible. Afterall the tories are no longer the party I can fully support. I only want to stop BoJo and his ilk.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    No point rushing. I'll see how it goes for her free year then try to guess when the next leadership contest muggy happen to join 3 months before the contest. If it's monthly payment I want to pay as little as possible. Afterall the tories are no longer the party I can fully support. I only want to stop BoJo and his ilk.
    £25 a year. Mind you, I paid the princely sum for the privilege of getting Labour voting rights. You get what you pay for I suppose :D
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Shame you can't do it another way. Perhaps a petition for the right to vote on whether BoJo (or any other politician) is fit for the job. Get enough national signatures there is a national poll on it. If the public votes that they're unfit for public office with. Sufficient margin then they get sacked. I'd definitely vote against BoJo. He's only out for himself. More so than any other politician. It's so obvious it's positively blatant.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    https://twitter.com/DominicRaab/status/ ... 4096549888

    Spare a moment for thick Raab, who clearly can't see that since the Tories got in power, real wages are still below what they were before they arrived in government, nor that real wages obviously rose more quickly in 2015...
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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Wasn't Raab touted as a strong, potential Brexit candidate for any leadership contest by an ERG politician on radio 4 yesterday?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Solid reference as a f@cking idiot then.
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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Solid reference as a f@cking idiot then.
    No like button but totally right there.

    How many MPs are actually in the ERG anyway? JRM is and that Bone bloke iirc. Who else?

    BTW an ERG guy said last night something about them being just a research group concerned with providing accurate information on Brexit. I can't remember his exact words but it was funny how he said it like he meant it. Fanatics?
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,551
    Rick Chasey wrote:


    Spare a moment for thick Raab, who clearly can't see that since the Tories got in power, real wages are still below what they were before they arrived in government, nor that real wages obviously rose more quickly in 2015...

    What is it with Surrey Conservatives? Is there some sort competitive stupidity scheme?
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    rjsterry wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:


    Spare a moment for thick Raab, who clearly can't see that since the Tories got in power, real wages are still below what they were before they arrived in government, nor that real wages obviously rose more quickly in 2015...

    What is it with Surrey Conservatives? Is there some sort competitive stupidity scheme?

    FPTP breeds complacent politicians.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,551
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:


    Spare a moment for thick Raab, who clearly can't see that since the Tories got in power, real wages are still below what they were before they arrived in government, nor that real wages obviously rose more quickly in 2015...

    What is it with Surrey Conservatives? Is there some sort competitive stupidity scheme?

    FPTP breeds complacent politicians.

    I know Esher and Walton is unlikely to elect a Corbynite, but you'd think there would be some internal competition. They have a candidate selection process, don't they? I mean it has to be laziness rather than actual mental impairment: this is below GCSE level maths and geography that he's getting wrong, and he qualified as a solicitor.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    rjsterry wrote:
    ...you'd think there would be some internal competition. They have a candidate selection process, don't they? I mean it has to be laziness rather than actual mental impairment: this is below GCSE level maths and geography that he's getting wrong, and he qualified as a solicitor.
    This is the thing - I would guess that on most objective measures, the vast majority of MPS are at least reasonably intelligent and well educated. To qualify as a solicitor you have to be able to read and study, make a case and understand other people's cases, use logic and communicate effectively.

    But there is something about political culture that actively discourages its practitioners from behaving, or even talking, intelligently :?
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    How much is membership of the tory party? When would the cut off for being allowed to vote in a leadership vote? It might be too late if tm loses.


    If, in the spirit of this thread, the idea was to help them choose the worst possible leader - save your money. They are likely to do that all by themselves.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Ed Miliband's Christmas Card

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    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    How much is membership of the tory party? When would the cut off for being allowed to vote in a leadership vote? It might be too late if tm loses.


    If, in the spirit of this thread, the idea was to help them choose the worst possible leader - save your money. They are likely to do that all by themselves.
    Nope, this thread was for the New Old Labour party only. I felt they were the more deserving case.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Ed Miliband's Christmas Card

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    Ed Miliband in 'Leftie with a sense of humour' shocker :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    Rick Chasey wrote:


    Spare a moment for thick Raab, who clearly can't see that since the Tories got in power, real wages are still below what they were before they arrived in government, nor that real wages obviously rose more quickly in 2015...

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/ ... 0-year-low

    Has he confused wage rises with real wage rises...

    I do feel that twitter is a poor forum for politicians.
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Jez mon wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:


    Spare a moment for thick Raab, who clearly can't see that since the Tories got in power, real wages are still below what they were before they arrived in government, nor that real wages obviously rose more quickly in 2015...

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/ ... 0-year-low

    Has he confused wage rises with real wage rises...

    I do feel that twitter is a poor forum for politicians.

    Just shows up how disingenuous he's being. Real wages are what matter.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    Corbyn really is useless:
    https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/15/jeremy-corbyn-slides-in-approval-ratings-in-spite-of-tory-schisms

    Open goal etc...
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Of course he called her a stupid woman and who gives a sh!t.
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  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Of course he called her a stupid woman and who gives a sh!t.
    Well, very unexciting - except, of course, that the slightest hint of anything that could possibly be construed as misogynistic from the Tories has resulted in howls of sham fury from Labour, so the Tories feel that they have the right to retaliate.

    Just one of the consequences of out-of-control identity politics is that all sides now feel that they can play at the game: witness, for example, the rather pathetic "Men's rights" movement.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Of course he called her a stupid woman and who gives a sh!t.

    I do.

    Not that he called her a 'stupid woman'

    That the leader of the opposition hasn't the basic level of decency to stand up, admit a mistake, apologize and move on but prefers to indulge in an obvious lie while cheered on by his devoted cult is extraordinary.

    It's Trumpian.

    Also it will lead to more Owen Jones on TV and radio and that's just annoying.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    bompington wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Of course he called her a stupid woman and who gives a sh!t.
    Well, very unexciting - except, of course, that the slightest hint of anything that could possibly be construed as misogynistic from the Tories has resulted in howls of sham fury from Labour, so the Tories feel that they have the right to retaliate.

    Just one of the consequences of out-of-control identity politics is that all sides now feel that they can play at the game: witness, for example, the rather pathetic "Men's rights" movement.

    the howls from MPs who have fairly dodgy reps are a bit f@cking much too, I’m sure you’ll agree.

    Tories only look even more petty by getting upset. They want if both ways - propose their researcher (or indeed a Lib Dem’s as my friend can attest to) to suck them off and then get upset when the leader of the opposition calls May a stupid women; something that probably isn’t entirely without evidenced merit either.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Of course he called her a stupid woman and who gives a sh!t.

    I do.

    Not that he called her a 'stupid woman'

    That the leader of the opposition hasn't the basic level of decency to stand up, admit a mistake, apologize and move on but prefers to indulge in an obvious lie while cheered on by his devoted cult is extraordinary.

    It's Trumpian.

    Also it will lead to more Owen Jones on TV and radio and that's just annoying.

    Trust me, I think he’s more of a c@nt than you do.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    There is also the broader point that with 100 days to go, arguing about a stupid woman comment smacks of negligence of the much bigger picture.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    bompington wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Of course he called her a stupid woman and who gives a sh!t.
    Well, very unexciting - except, of course, that the slightest hint of anything that could possibly be construed as misogynistic from the Tories has resulted in howls of sham fury from Labour, so the Tories feel that they have the right to retaliate.

    Just one of the consequences of out-of-control identity politics is that all sides now feel that they can play at the game: witness, for example, the rather pathetic "Men's rights" movement.
    Just a pity he didn't say it on this forum then he'd have been punished.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Of course he called her a stupid woman and who gives a sh!t.

    I do.

    Not that he called her a 'stupid woman'

    That the leader of the opposition hasn't the basic level of decency to stand up, admit a mistake, apologize and move on but prefers to indulge in an obvious lie while cheered on by his devoted cult is extraordinary.

    It's Trumpian.

    Also it will lead to more Owen Jones on TV and radio and that's just annoying.

    Trust me, I think he’s more of a c@nt than you do.
    I think I would win this one TBH.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,104
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Of course he called her a stupid woman and who gives a sh!t.

    I do.

    Not that he called her a 'stupid woman'

    That the leader of the opposition hasn't the basic level of decency to stand up, admit a mistake, apologize and move on but prefers to indulge in an obvious lie while cheered on by his devoted cult is extraordinary.

    It's Trumpian.

    Also it will lead to more Owen Jones on TV and radio and that's just annoying.

    It's not an obvious lie - you have no idea if he said woman or people - the only thing that is extraordinary is that you've convinced yourself you have some kind of expertise in lip reading so you can be outraged about this.
    [Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    DeVlaeminck wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Of course he called her a stupid woman and who gives a sh!t.

    I do.

    Not that he called her a 'stupid woman'

    That the leader of the opposition hasn't the basic level of decency to stand up, admit a mistake, apologize and move on but prefers to indulge in an obvious lie while cheered on by his devoted cult is extraordinary.

    It's Trumpian.

    Also it will lead to more Owen Jones on TV and radio and that's just annoying.

    It's not an obvious lie - you have no idea if he said woman or people - the only thing that is extraordinary is that you've convinced yourself you have some kind of expertise in lip reading so you can be outraged about this.

    ok
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    I like that noone is arguing about the "stupid" bit.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,551
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    There is also the broader point that with 100 days to go, arguing about a stupid woman comment smacks of negligence of the much bigger picture.
    Also it distracts from the frankly idiotic immigration white paper.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... -ready.pdf

    To give just one example: more than 1 in 4 construction workers in London are non-UK citizens. In the country as a whole it is 1 in 10, or about 200,000. Average salaries for tradesmen (classed as RQF3 medium skilled and allowed in if earning over £30K, are all under £30K, except electricians, who just scrape over the threshold. Unless we're planning to train up tens of thousands of extra tradesmen in the next couple of years this policy will result in massive labour shortages.

    Party of business my ar*e.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition

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