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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    Given who was in charge of Labour in the early 80's, I would have started a very similar thread back then had the internet existed :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    We done the first MP to be jailed in 20 odd years?
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    We done the first MP to be jailed in 20 odd years?
    On a separate thread.
    https://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40088&t=13102131
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Massively leave and a super tight swing seat.

    Gonna be a mess, especially given how tight Parliament is.
    _
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Massively leave and a super tight swing seat.

    Gonna be a mess, especially given how tight Parliament is.
    True, but looks like it might not happen until April/May:
    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2019/01/who-ll-win-peterborough-election-well-there-might-not-even-be-one
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Wasn't there talk of the Tories splitting not too long ago. Didn't happen and I doubt it'll happen with labour again.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Wasn't there talk of the Tories splitting not too long ago. Didn't happen and I doubt it'll happen with labour again.

    Mugs game predicting anything in politics at the moment apart from May refusing to deviate from the same path she chose in 1968.
    _
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    Vince Cable is quoted in the morning free rag as working with both Tory and Labour MPs to 'stop Brexit and try to get a peoples vote'. Sounds like something is going on, but whether it will actually happen is another matter.

    Cable goes on to say 'There is a much bigger group of Labour MPs who are deeply unhappy with Jeremy Corbyn's leadership and don't see any future in the party'. No sh1t, Sherlock.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,551
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Vince Cable is quoted in the morning free rag as working with both Tory and Labour MPs to 'stop Brexit and try to get a peoples vote'. Sounds like something is going on, but whether it will actually happen is another matter.

    Cable goes on to say 'There is a much bigger group of Labour MPs who are deeply unhappy with Jeremy Corbyn's leadership and don't see any future in the party'. No sh1t, Sherlock.

    Was reading about the amount of abuse Jess Phillips gets from Corbynists. I think most would describe her as a left-winger but because she doesn't have undying enthusiasm for the dear leader, she's considered 'worse than the Tories'. And for all St Jeremy's piety he had to be embarrassed into voting against the immigration bill by Phillips.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    you guys mentioned the polls yet?

    Tories **up** by 4 points.

    System is officially broken.

    How does some of the most pathetic governance modern U.K. democracy has ever seen, result in the responsible party improving their polling?
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  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    you guys mentioned the polls yet?

    Tories **up** by 4 points.

    System is officially broken.

    How does some of the most pathetic governance modern U.K. democracy has ever seen, result in the responsible party improving their polling?

    A question for Jeremy Corbyn to think about.
    Faster than a tent.......
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Regardless just because Labour is sh!t doesn’t mean the Tories should *gain*.

    They should both lose since they are both being appalling. The fact they don’t suggests a proper problem with the system.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,551
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Regardless just because Labour is sh!t doesn’t mean the Tories should *gain*.

    They should both lose since they are both being appalling. The fact they don’t suggests a proper problem with the system.

    I think the current situation is the logical conclusion of constantly depicting the other side as 'scum'. The core supporters become more entrenched and those in the middle recoil in disgust at what both options have become. That stasis means no party has a reason to reach out or improve their offer. The Conservatives just happened to be sat down when the music stopped.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Regardless just because Labour is sh!t doesn’t mean the Tories should *gain*.

    They should both lose since they are both being appalling. The fact they don’t suggests a proper problem with the system.

    Well yes - two party system (at the moment, in the minds of many. Eg those who seriously think that the tuition fees issue during the coalition isn't a totally insignificant error on the part of the Lib Dems compared to what Corbyn, Cameron, May et al have been up to since).
    Faster than a tent.......
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    @Rick, yep, got the Tory poll lead covered as well a page or so back:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Meanwhile in the polls and outside the Cake Stop echo chamber :)
    https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/02/labour-slumps-in-polls-as-tories-open-biggest-lead-since-general-election
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Vince Cable is quoted in the morning free rag as working with both Tory and Labour MPs to 'stop Brexit and try to get a peoples vote'. Sounds like something is going on, but whether it will actually happen is another matter.

    Cable goes on to say 'There is a much bigger group of Labour MPs who are deeply unhappy with Jeremy Corbyn's leadership and don't see any future in the party'. No sh1t, Sherlock.

    Was reading about the amount of abuse Jess Phillips gets from Corbynists. I think most would describe her as a left-winger but because she doesn't have undying enthusiasm for the dear leader, she's considered 'worse than the Tories'. And for all St Jeremy's piety he had to be embarrassed into voting against the immigration bill by Phillips.
    The 'Tory scum' type of abuse from the far left has been around for donkeys years, but to abuse people in your own party like that (who are not even that far away from them politically) shows us what the Corbynistas are really like - as if we didn't know already.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Vince Cable is quoted in the morning free rag as working with both Tory and Labour MPs to 'stop Brexit and try to get a peoples vote'. Sounds like something is going on, but whether it will actually happen is another matter.

    Cable goes on to say 'There is a much bigger group of Labour MPs who are deeply unhappy with Jeremy Corbyn's leadership and don't see any future in the party'. No sh1t, Sherlock.

    Was reading about the amount of abuse Jess Phillips gets from Corbynists. I think most would describe her as a left-winger but because she doesn't have undying enthusiasm for the dear leader, she's considered 'worse than the Tories'. And for all St Jeremy's piety he had to be embarrassed into voting against the immigration bill by Phillips.
    The 'Tory scum' type of abuse from the far left has been around for donkeys years, but to abuse people in your own party like that (who are not even that far away from them politically) shows us what the Corbynistas are really like - as if we didn't know already.

    Bloody Corbyn voters.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Vince Cable is quoted in the morning free rag as working with both Tory and Labour MPs to 'stop Brexit and try to get a peoples vote'. Sounds like something is going on, but whether it will actually happen is another matter.

    Cable goes on to say 'There is a much bigger group of Labour MPs who are deeply unhappy with Jeremy Corbyn's leadership and don't see any future in the party'. No sh1t, Sherlock.

    Was reading about the amount of abuse Jess Phillips gets from Corbynists. I think most would describe her as a left-winger but because she doesn't have undying enthusiasm for the dear leader, she's considered 'worse than the Tories'. And for all St Jeremy's piety he had to be embarrassed into voting against the immigration bill by Phillips.
    The 'Tory scum' type of abuse from the far left has been around for donkeys years, but to abuse people in your own party like that (who are not even that far away from them politically) shows us what the Corbynistas are really like - as if we didn't know already.

    Bloody Corbyn voters.
    I'm not convinced you've grasped the point of this thread...
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Bloody Corbyn voters.
    I'm not convinced you've grasped the point of this thread...

    To remind everyone who helped make Corbyn a potential PM?
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Regardless just because Labour is sh!t doesn’t mean the Tories should *gain*.

    They should both lose since they are both being appalling. The fact they don’t suggests a proper problem with the system.
    What we need is a strong opposition to the Tories and Labour. I blame LibDems for the state of UK politics. If only they had a lot of MPs in Westminster like they used to have.

    If the two biggest parties are so bad then why is it the LibDems aren't in the news now often and doing some good instead of being anonymous like they are. Is their offer no better?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Bloody Corbyn voters.
    I'm not convinced you've grasped the point of this thread...

    To remind everyone who helped make Corbyn a potential PM?
    Very 'potential'. Have a read of the first post in this thread :wink:
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Regardless just because Labour is sh!t doesn’t mean the Tories should *gain*.

    They should both lose since they are both being appalling. The fact they don’t suggests a proper problem with the system.
    What we need is a strong opposition to the Tories and Labour. I blame LibDems for the state of UK politics. If only they had a lot of MPs in Westminster like they used to have.

    If the two biggest parties are so bad then why is it the LibDems aren't in the news now often and doing some good instead of being anonymous like they are. Is their offer no better?
    I blame the Lib Dems for Brexit as well. Apparently Cameron could never go through with the referendum while in coalition, but then the Lib Dems reduced themselves to a fringe party at the 2015 GE.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Regardless just because Labour is sh!t doesn’t mean the Tories should *gain*.

    They should both lose since they are both being appalling. The fact they don’t suggests a proper problem with the system.
    What we need is a strong opposition to the Tories and Labour. I blame LibDems for the state of UK politics. If only they had a lot of MPs in Westminster like they used to have.

    If the two biggest parties are so bad then why is it the LibDems aren't in the news now often and doing some good instead of being anonymous like they are. Is their offer no better?
    I blame the Lib Dems for Brexit as well. Apparently Cameron could never go through with the referendum while in coalition, but then the Lib Dems reduced themselves to a fringe party at the 2015 GE.

    Ironically, the lib dem voters punished the party for going into coalition with the conservatives in 2010 by voting conservative in 2015. Go figure?
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Regardless just because Labour is sh!t doesn’t mean the Tories should *gain*.

    They should both lose since they are both being appalling. The fact they don’t suggests a proper problem with the system.
    What we need is a strong opposition to the Tories and Labour. I blame LibDems for the state of UK politics. If only they had a lot of MPs in Westminster like they used to have.

    If the two biggest parties are so bad then why is it the LibDems aren't in the news now often and doing some good instead of being anonymous like they are. Is their offer no better?
    I blame the Lib Dems for Brexit as well. Apparently Cameron could never go through with the referendum while in coalition, but then the Lib Dems reduced themselves to a fringe party at the 2015 GE.

    Just checking - this is a tongue in cheek comment isn't it?
    Faster than a tent.......
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Apparently I think it was Tusk who reported that Cameron told him that he only put the referendum into their manifesto because he expected to be in coalition with the LibDems again and they'd veto it.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    edited February 2019
    Rolf F wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Regardless just because Labour is sh!t doesn’t mean the Tories should *gain*.

    They should both lose since they are both being appalling. The fact they don’t suggests a proper problem with the system.
    What we need is a strong opposition to the Tories and Labour. I blame LibDems for the state of UK politics. If only they had a lot of MPs in Westminster like they used to have.

    If the two biggest parties are so bad then why is it the LibDems aren't in the news now often and doing some good instead of being anonymous like they are. Is their offer no better?
    I blame the Lib Dems for Brexit as well. Apparently Cameron could never go through with the referendum while in coalition, but then the Lib Dems reduced themselves to a fringe party at the 2015 GE.

    Just checking - this is a tongue in cheek comment isn't it?
    I should know better than to not put smilies in posts in this forum :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    morstar wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Regardless just because Labour is sh!t doesn’t mean the Tories should *gain*.

    They should both lose since they are both being appalling. The fact they don’t suggests a proper problem with the system.
    What we need is a strong opposition to the Tories and Labour. I blame LibDems for the state of UK politics. If only they had a lot of MPs in Westminster like they used to have.

    If the two biggest parties are so bad then why is it the LibDems aren't in the news now often and doing some good instead of being anonymous like they are. Is their offer no better?
    I blame the Lib Dems for Brexit as well. Apparently Cameron could never go through with the referendum while in coalition, but then the Lib Dems reduced themselves to a fringe party at the 2015 GE.

    Ironically, the lib dem voters punished the party for going into coalition with the conservatives in 2010 by voting conservative in 2015. Go figure?
    I'm trying to figure out where Lib Dem voters said that. Can you help me out here?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Rolf F wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Regardless just because Labour is sh!t doesn’t mean the Tories should *gain*.

    They should both lose since they are both being appalling. The fact they don’t suggests a proper problem with the system.
    What we need is a strong opposition to the Tories and Labour. I blame LibDems for the state of UK politics. If only they had a lot of MPs in Westminster like they used to have.

    If the two biggest parties are so bad then why is it the LibDems aren't in the news now often and doing some good instead of being anonymous like they are. Is their offer no better?
    I blame the Lib Dems for Brexit as well. Apparently Cameron could never go through with the referendum while in coalition, but then the Lib Dems reduced themselves to a fringe party at the 2015 GE.

    Just checking - this is a tongue in cheek comment isn't it?
    I should know better than to not put smilies in posts in this forum :)
    No no, it was fine. I just needed to check to make sure.
    Faster than a tent.......
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    morstar wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Regardless just because Labour is sh!t doesn’t mean the Tories should *gain*.

    They should both lose since they are both being appalling. The fact they don’t suggests a proper problem with the system.
    What we need is a strong opposition to the Tories and Labour. I blame LibDems for the state of UK politics. If only they had a lot of MPs in Westminster like they used to have.

    If the two biggest parties are so bad then why is it the LibDems aren't in the news now often and doing some good instead of being anonymous like they are. Is their offer no better?
    I blame the Lib Dems for Brexit as well. Apparently Cameron could never go through with the referendum while in coalition, but then the Lib Dems reduced themselves to a fringe party at the 2015 GE.

    Ironically, the lib dem voters punished the party for going into coalition with the conservatives in 2010 by voting conservative in 2015. Go figure?
    I'm trying to figure out where Lib Dem voters said that. Can you help me out here?
    I don't recall them filling in reason cards for changing their votes between elections so I don't have the results of the polling.
    But it is generally accepted they got punished at the polls and as 2015 went in favour of the Conservatives...
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11591526/The-Liberal-Democrats-have-been-punished-for-doing-the-right-thing.html
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,551
    Rolf F wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Rolf F wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Regardless just because Labour is sh!t doesn’t mean the Tories should *gain*.

    They should both lose since they are both being appalling. The fact they don’t suggests a proper problem with the system.
    What we need is a strong opposition to the Tories and Labour. I blame LibDems for the state of UK politics. If only they had a lot of MPs in Westminster like they used to have.

    If the two biggest parties are so bad then why is it the LibDems aren't in the news now often and doing some good instead of being anonymous like they are. Is their offer no better?
    I blame the Lib Dems for Brexit as well. Apparently Cameron could never go through with the referendum while in coalition, but then the Lib Dems reduced themselves to a fringe party at the 2015 GE.

    Just checking - this is a tongue in cheek comment isn't it?
    I should know better than to not put smilies in posts in this forum :)
    No no, it was fine. I just needed to check to make sure.
    TBF, if they had to pick one cause to sacrifice themselves for, that would have been the one to go for, rather than bloody tuition fees.
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