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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Well by referendum time they'd already won. Seriously doubt they wanted Brexit to happen. I mean the only MP was a Tory defection (nearly typed "Tory defect"). Most key UKIP people are MEPs. They'll lose their forum and income too.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,011
    Slowmart wrote:
    The Tories are very much on the back foot in the business context with lobbyists, Cabinet Ministers and their own MP's growing more vocal due to a lack of shape in thoughts and deeds when it comes to business.

    Any more corporation tax reductions May? The level of tax has already been reduced past the point of what was previously communicated through government policy and smells like panic in government.
    Yes - 19% next April and 17% in April 2020 iirc. Both of these a result of decisions before the referendum so not a result of panic as far as I can see.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,963
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    I would never want to be French because I do not agree with their approach to maintaining their culture through language control and the other means they have. They're trying to prevent the natural development of their language I I believe. Whereas in England we just let any Americanism in.
    Totally OT, but the Académie Française is getting more and more irrelevant for everyday spoken (or informal written) French. Read a newspaper, and the language of the boardroom (le manager) and the internet (le blog) is liberally scattered, and getting more common. Language is probably the most democratic thing on the planet: you can only hold back the tide for so long.
    https://www.facebook.com/unanglaisendiois
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    briantrumpet wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    I would never want to be French because I do not agree with their approach to maintaining their culture through language control and the other means they have. They're trying to prevent the natural development of their language I I believe. Whereas in England we just let any Americanism in.
    Totally OT, but the Académie Française is getting more and more irrelevant for everyday spoken (or informal written) French. Read a newspaper, and the language of the boardroom (le manager) and the internet (le blog) is liberally scattered, and getting more common. Language is probably the most democratic thing on the planet: you can only hold back the tide for so long.

    i believe they ve been about for 100's of years, survived the revolution, so holding back the tide is something they are used too.

    Quaint really.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,963
    mamba80 wrote:
    briantrumpet wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    I would never want to be French because I do not agree with their approach to maintaining their culture through language control and the other means they have. They're trying to prevent the natural development of their language I I believe. Whereas in England we just let any Americanism in.
    Totally OT, but the Académie Française is getting more and more irrelevant for everyday spoken (or informal written) French. Read a newspaper, and the language of the boardroom (le manager) and the internet (le blog) is liberally scattered, and getting more common. Language is probably the most democratic thing on the planet: you can only hold back the tide for so long.

    i believe they ve been about for 100's of years, survived the revolution, so holding back the tide is something they are used too.

    Quaint really.
    http://www.globalclashes.com/2008/04/la ... ranai.html
    https://www.facebook.com/unanglaisendiois
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    briantrumpet wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    briantrumpet wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    I would never want to be French because I do not agree with their approach to maintaining their culture through language control and the other means they have. They're trying to prevent the natural development of their language I I believe. Whereas in England we just let any Americanism in.
    Totally OT, but the Académie Française is getting more and more irrelevant for everyday spoken (or informal written) French. Read a newspaper, and the language of the boardroom (le manager) and the internet (le blog) is liberally scattered, and getting more common. Language is probably the most democratic thing on the planet: you can only hold back the tide for so long.

    i believe they ve been about for 100's of years, survived the revolution, so holding back the tide is something they are used too.

    Quaint really.
    http://www.globalclashes.com/2008/04/la ... ranai.html

    i dont disagree with you but these things over time are often cyclical, as i said quaint and that piece was written 8 years ago and they are still going, bet they out live me an you, they are after all, immortal.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,963
    mamba80 wrote:
    briantrumpet wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    briantrumpet wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    I would never want to be French because I do not agree with their approach to maintaining their culture through language control and the other means they have. They're trying to prevent the natural development of their language I I believe. Whereas in England we just let any Americanism in.
    Totally OT, but the Académie Française is getting more and more irrelevant for everyday spoken (or informal written) French. Read a newspaper, and the language of the boardroom (le manager) and the internet (le blog) is liberally scattered, and getting more common. Language is probably the most democratic thing on the planet: you can only hold back the tide for so long.

    i believe they ve been about for 100's of years, survived the revolution, so holding back the tide is something they are used too.

    Quaint really.
    http://www.globalclashes.com/2008/04/la ... ranai.html

    i dont disagree with you but these things over time are often cyclical, as i said quaint and that piece was written 8 years ago and they are still going, bet they out live me an you, they are after all, immortal.
    I just hope the immortals are doing some weight training to keep up their muscle mass.

    Oh, sorry, wrong thread.
    https://www.facebook.com/unanglaisendiois
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Anyone see the IFS economist call out Hammond's budget as the same budget Ed Balls proposed when he was shadow chancellor?

    https://twitter.com/PJTheEconomist/stat ... 6090761216

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  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    briantrumpet wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    briantrumpet wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    briantrumpet wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    I would never want to be French because I do not agree with their approach to maintaining their culture through language control and the other means they have. They're trying to prevent the natural development of their language I I believe. Whereas in England we just let any Americanism in.
    Totally OT, but the Académie Française is getting more and more irrelevant for everyday spoken (or informal written) French. Read a newspaper, and the language of the boardroom (le manager) and the internet (le blog) is liberally scattered, and getting more common. Language is probably the most democratic thing on the planet: you can only hold back the tide for so long.

    i believe they ve been about for 100's of years, survived the revolution, so holding back the tide is something they are used too.

    Quaint really.
    http://www.globalclashes.com/2008/04/la ... ranai.html

    i dont disagree with you but these things over time are often cyclical, as i said quaint and that piece was written 8 years ago and they are still going, bet they out live me an you, they are after all, immortal.
    I just hope the immortals are doing some weight training to keep up their muscle mass.

    Oh, sorry, wrong thread.

    thats why they are immortal.... weights are where it is! i keep out of that argument but there are differing views :lol:
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Anyone see the IFS economist call out Hammond's budget as the same budget Ed Balls proposed when he was shadow chancellor?

    https://twitter.com/PJTheEconomist/stat ... 6090761216

    CyCgrjJWgAABSft.jpg


    Tories oddly quiet on this. They were so anti it not so long ago.

    Just curious. Perhaps on fiscal matters, Parliament has shifted quite a way left...
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  • bigmat
    bigmat Posts: 5,134
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Anyone see the IFS economist call out Hammond's budget as the same budget Ed Balls proposed when he was shadow chancellor?

    https://twitter.com/PJTheEconomist/stat ... 6090761216

    CyCgrjJWgAABSft.jpg


    Tories oddly quiet on this. They were so anti it not so long ago.

    Just curious. Perhaps on fiscal matters, Parliament has shifted quite a way left...

    Everyone loves Ed Balls now though. My son was in tears when he got voted off last night, didn't know quite what to make of that!
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/41991871@N ... otostream/
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,302
    Does anyone think Ed Balls would have been able to stick to that?
  • wallace_and_gromit
    wallace_and_gromit Posts: 3,699
    BigMat wrote:
    Everyone loves Ed Balls now though. My son was in tears when he got voted off last night, didn't know quite what to make of that!

    I was very surprised to find myself supporting Ed in "Strictly". Although this may be related to the delectable Katya who is a great addition to the Saturday evening TV schedules!

    So after numerous "Balls out" celebrations in May 2015, I was sad that it was Balls out on Sunday.

    I don't know if it a good or bad thing that he will most likely be remembered more for "Gangnam Style" than neo-endogenous growth theory.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,302
    He was going to have to dance a rumba next week, it is probably for the best that never made it onto TV.
  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    WATCH OUT LABOUR - THESE GUYS ARE COMING TO GET YOU:

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    "I want to replace the Labour Party and make UKIP the patriotic voice of working people."
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,922
    mrfpb wrote:
    WATCH OUT LABOUR - THESE GUYS ARE COMING TO GET YOU:

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    "I want to replace the Labour Party and make UKIP the patriotic voice of working people."
    Isn't that roughly what Theresa May said a couple of months back?
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,305
    kinda familiar, hey?
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  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    edited December 2016
    I see Labour managed to lose their deposit in the Richmond by-election. Not looking too good for them.
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    orraloon wrote:
    kinda familiar, hey?
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    Bottom of the barrel!
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    mrfpb wrote:
    I see Labour managed to lose their deposit in the Richmond by-election. Not looking too good for them.

    not sure they tried too hard - many argued to not stand to increase chances of the LD winning
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,302
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    mrfpb wrote:
    I see Labour managed to lose their deposit in the Richmond by-election. Not looking too good for them.

    not sure they tried too hard - many argued to not stand to increase chances of the LD winning

    I believe they got fewer votes than they have members in the constituency.

    The last leaflet from their candidate (Christian Wolmar) had a big empty space on the back for you to write in your main concerns and send it back. I felt that was kind of missing the point at that stage.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,011
    I think the Richmond by-election makes it look worse than it really is for Labour given the unique nature of the by-election. It's still pretty grim though.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,017
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    I think the Richmond by-election makes it look worse than it really is for Labour given the unique nature of the by-election. It's still pretty grim though.

    Apparently they attracted fewer votes than they had members in the seat.
    So either even the membership couldn't be bothered to vote or there's a hotbed of £3 members who joined just to elect Jezza as leader.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,011
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    I think the Richmond by-election makes it look worse than it really is for Labour given the unique nature of the by-election. It's still pretty grim though.

    Apparently they attracted fewer votes than they had members in the seat.
    So either even the membership couldn't be bothered to vote or there's a hotbed of £3 members who joined just to elect Jezza as leader.
    Who would do a thing like that, eh? :D
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,011
    Bally, I feel for you. Your best mate is sailing off into the sunset :)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38225406
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,017
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Bally, I feel for you. Your best mate is sailing off into the sunset :)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38225406

    He'll be back just like herpes.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,963
    It doesn't all seem to be going swimmingly ... https://www.theguardian.com/global/comm ... ian-labour
    https://www.facebook.com/unanglaisendiois
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Labour really are pathetic. Tory apologists.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,963
    Joelsim wrote:
    Labour really are pathetic. Tory apologists.
    If ever there were a time when the country needed an organised, nimble, strong opposition to test the Government, this is it. The lack of proper opposition is one reason we're in this legal and political mess.
    https://www.facebook.com/unanglaisendiois
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    briantrumpet wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    Labour really are pathetic. Tory apologists.
    If ever there were a time when the country needed an organised, nimble, strong opposition to test the Government, this is it. The lack of proper opposition is one reason we're in this legal and political mess.

    Agreed. The PLP has absolutely no idea, strategy or comprehension of what's required at the moment. Total and utter chocolate teapot, well on the way to becoming the UK's 4th most popular party. The scary thing is they can't even see it.

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