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Does this poem work?
Fascism: I sometimes fear...
"I sometimes fear that
people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress
worn by grotesques and monsters
as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis.
Fascism arrives as your friend.
It will restore your honour,
make you feel proud,
protect your house,
give you a job,
clean up the neighbourhood,
remind you of how great you once were,
clear out the venal and the corrupt,
remove anything you feel is unlike you...
It doesn't walk in saying,
"Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution."0 -
Or maybe this one?
When fascism comes, it will greet us with a smile. It will get down on its knees to pray. It will praise Main Street and Wall Street. It will cheer for the home team. It will clap from the bleachers when the uninsured are left to die on the street. It will rally on the Washington Mall. It will raise monuments to its heroes and weep for them and place bouquets at their stone feet and trace with their fingers the names engraved on the granite wall and go on sending soldiers to die in the mountains of Afghanistan, in the deserts of Iraq. It will send doves to pluck out the eyes of its enemies, having no hawks to spare.
When fascism comes, it will sit down for tea with the governor of Texas. It will pee in the mosques from California to Tennessee, chanting, “Wake up America, the enemy is here.” It will sing the anthems of corporatization, privatization, demonization, monopolization. It will be interviewed, lovingly, on talk radio. It’ll have talking points and a Facebook page and a disdain for big words or hard consonants. It won’t bother to read. It will shred all its books. It will lambast the teachers and outlaw the unions.
When fascism comes, it will look good. It will have big hair, pressed suits, lapel pins. It will control all the channels. It will ride in on Swift Boats. It will sit on the Supreme Court. It will court us with fear. It will woo us with hope. When fascism comes, it will sell shares of itself on the stock market. It will get rich, then it will get obscenely rich, then it will stop paying taxes. It will leave us in the dust. It will kick our ass. It won’t have to break a sweat to fool us twice. It will be too big to fail.
When fascism comes to America, it will enter on the winds of our silence and indifference and complacency. And on that day, one hundred thousand poets will gather. In book stores and libraries, bars and cafes, in their houses and apartments, in schools and on street corners, they will gather. In Albania, Bangladesh, Botswana, Bulgaria, Chile, China, Czech Republic, Finland, Guatemala, Hungary, Macedonia, Malawi, Qatar, crying, laughing, screaming. They will wrap the sad music of humanity in bits of word cloth and hang them, like prayers, on the tree of life.0 -
Slightly less poetically, from the OED: "Any form of behaviour perceived as autocratic, intolerant, or oppressive; esp. the advocacy of a particular viewpoint or practice in a manner that seeks to enforce conformity."
Two out of three?0 -
briantrumpet wrote:Slightly less poetically, from the OED: "Any form of behaviour perceived as autocratic, intolerant, or oppressive; esp. the advocacy of a particular viewpoint or practice in a manner that seeks to enforce conformity."
Two out of three?
If it's not in the dictionary Pike...0 -
Don't forget that everyone needs to be cheerful!Joelsim wrote:briantrumpet wrote:Slightly less poetically, from the OED: "Any form of behaviour perceived as autocratic, intolerant, or oppressive; esp. the advocacy of a particular viewpoint or practice in a manner that seeks to enforce conformity."
Two out of three?
If it's not in the dictionary Pike...0 -
Is that your normal reaction when you get pulled for making stuff up?Joelsim wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
Show me a link to a commonly accepted definition of fascism that is the same as yours. Or admit that you're making it up.Joelsim wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
Complete rubbish. You just made up that definition of fascism.Joelsim wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:briantrumpet wrote:
Out of interest, would you accept that they've at least drifted rightwards towards the Redwood Wing, in order to placate the UKIP-leaning part of the party?Stevo 666 wrote:
Are you competing with mamba for who can be the most hysterical about the government ? He calls them far right so you try to top it by calling them fascist. :roll:Joelsim wrote:
This particular Govt is as far right as ever one's been in my lifetime, run by nationalist ideologists who have no clue, fascists.
A pathetic Labour Party is the very worst thing this country needs right now, but even a Corbyn Govt (not that it'll happen) won't damage the economy or the country as much as this current crock of sh!t is.
They are a mainstream party - like Labour and the Lib Dems used to be.
Politically they have lurched to the right but economically they are somewhere to the left of Blair with their deficits and market interference.
Well said SC.
A Tory Party where the economy doesn't matter. More than willing to destroy it whilst (falsely) promising the earth to the masses for their own ideology. That is pretty much the definition of fascist.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
I'm starting to think you are actually Jacob Rees-Mogg.
Blimey Steve. Just blimey.
I see no definition like yours or any clear parallel between now and racist regimes. You may not like the referendum result but it isnt exactly the action of a facist state to call one and then act in line with the result."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
Are you competing with mamba for who can be the most hysterical about the government ? He calls them far right so you try to top it by calling them fascist. :roll:Joelsim wrote:
This particular Govt is as far right as ever one's been in my lifetime, run by nationalist ideologists who have no clue, fascists.
A pathetic Labour Party is the very worst thing this country needs right now, but even a Corbyn Govt (not that it'll happen) won't damage the economy or the country as much as this current crock of sh!t is.
They are a mainstream party - like Labour and the Lib Dems used to be.
Is this far enough to the right? its a policy that May signed up to and she is continuing to cut the amounts a family can claim in benefits further still.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 13854.html
No doubt you ll say why should these people get close to the avg wage for doing nothing but it is hardly their fault rents are uncontrollable nor that Gov doesn't build any social housing and what happens when rents in the areas they ve moved too become too expensive?
i know, we could build camps for them, infact why stop with the poor? the elderly, solve social care problems, the disabled and all those fcuking Muslims too......
either way cleansing areas of its poor is a far right policy.0 -
briantrumpet wrote:
Don't forget that everyone needs to be cheerful!Joelsim wrote:briantrumpet wrote:Slightly less poetically, from the OED: "Any form of behaviour perceived as autocratic, intolerant, or oppressive; esp. the advocacy of a particular viewpoint or practice in a manner that seeks to enforce conformity."
Two out of three?
If it's not in the dictionary Pike...
Oh yes ok, let's all pull together and be happy that we have a govt who don't respect legal processes, don't respect at least 48% of the population, are quite happy to make hundreds of thousands of JAMS into soup kitchen dwellers, are quite happy to see lots of businesses move elsewhere whilst paying other companies billions to stay, who are quite happy to wind up our closest allies every day with idiotic quotes, are quite happy to lie to the electorate on every single point, are quite happy to run the NHS into the ground, are quite happy to blame immigrants for people's wage stagnation despite having to borrow £16bn extra to cover the shortfall in tax receipts from having fewer immigrants, are quite happy to criticise the BoE if it dares to suggest there are going to be problems and so on.
It beggars belief, yet people like Steve blindly follow.0 -
mamba80 wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
I love it when a plan comes together (see thread title)mamba80 wrote:No one knows what Labour stand for anymore, there is a vast void of leadership.
no, what thread title is that then?
the country needs an effective opposition stevo, its dangerous that we havent got one, it seems to be giving rise to more extreme views.
this country is crying out for an alternative to brexit and at the mo, only the libdems are providing that.
Needs an effective opposition then does it? I suppose you took to the streets to protest at the Labour governments plan to 'rub the right's nose in diversity' and you were aching for a strong Tory party in opposition. Maybe not.
There is an alternative to Brexit, but unfortunately it is a minority view.
As for Joel and his comparison to this government and fascists, hysterical doesn't quite cover it, does it?0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
Is that your normal reaction when you get pulled for making stuff up?Joelsim wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
Show me a link to a commonly accepted definition of fascism that is the same as yours. Or admit that you're making it up.Joelsim wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
Complete rubbish. You just made up that definition of fascism.Joelsim wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:briantrumpet wrote:
Out of interest, would you accept that they've at least drifted rightwards towards the Redwood Wing, in order to placate the UKIP-leaning part of the party?Stevo 666 wrote:
Are you competing with mamba for who can be the most hysterical about the government ? He calls them far right so you try to top it by calling them fascist. :roll:Joelsim wrote:
This particular Govt is as far right as ever one's been in my lifetime, run by nationalist ideologists who have no clue, fascists.
A pathetic Labour Party is the very worst thing this country needs right now, but even a Corbyn Govt (not that it'll happen) won't damage the economy or the country as much as this current crock of sh!t is.
They are a mainstream party - like Labour and the Lib Dems used to be.
Politically they have lurched to the right but economically they are somewhere to the left of Blair with their deficits and market interference.
Well said SC.
A Tory Party where the economy doesn't matter. More than willing to destroy it whilst (falsely) promising the earth to the masses for their own ideology. That is pretty much the definition of fascist.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
I'm starting to think you are actually Jacob Rees-Mogg.
Blimey Steve. Just blimey.
I see no definition like yours or any clear parallel between now and racist regimes. You may not like the referendum result but it isnt exactly the action of a facist state to call one and then act in line with the result.
Open your eyes.0 -
Ballysmate wrote:mamba80 wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
I love it when a plan comes together (see thread title)mamba80 wrote:No one knows what Labour stand for anymore, there is a vast void of leadership.
no, what thread title is that then?
the country needs an effective opposition stevo, its dangerous that we havent got one, it seems to be giving rise to more extreme views.
this country is crying out for an alternative to brexit and at the mo, only the libdems are providing that.
Needs an effective opposition then does it? I suppose you took to the streets to protest at the Labour governments plan to 'rub the right's nose in diversity' and you were aching for a strong Tory party in opposition. Maybe not.
There is an alternative to Brexit, but unfortunately it is a minority view.
As for Joel and his comparison to this government and fascists, hysterical doesn't quite cover it, does it?
Frankly fella you're the one who needs to sort his mind out, not me.0 -
You know, I'm not sure the referendum was a good idea, and I am certainly not I favour of leaving the EU.
But to suggest that it's fascist to hold a referendum, and then abide by its result even when it's not what you wanted - that's utter idiocy.
It would seem that the true definition of fascist these days is "a government I don't like that is more right wing than my own position"0 -
Joelsim wrote:briantrumpet wrote:
Don't forget that everyone needs to be cheerful!Joelsim wrote:briantrumpet wrote:Slightly less poetically, from the OED: "Any form of behaviour perceived as autocratic, intolerant, or oppressive; esp. the advocacy of a particular viewpoint or practice in a manner that seeks to enforce conformity."
Two out of three?
If it's not in the dictionary Pike...
Oh yes ok, let's all pull together and be happy that we have a govt who don't respect legal processes, don't respect at least 48% of the population, are quite happy to make hundreds of thousands of JAMS into soup kitchen dwellers, are quite happy to see lots of businesses move elsewhere whilst paying other companies billions to stay, who are quite happy to wind up our closest allies every day with idiotic quotes, are quite happy to lie to the electorate on every single point, are quite happy to run the NHS into the ground, are quite happy to blame immigrants for people's wage stagnation despite having to borrow £16bn extra to cover the shortfall in tax receipts from having fewer immigrants, are quite happy to criticise the BoE if it dares to suggest there are going to be problems and so on.
It beggars belief, yet people like Steve blindly follow.
The key phrase in that post was 48%.
Posted by a man who is only too keen to demonstrate his lack of respect for 52% of the country.0 -
bompington wrote:You know, I'm not sure the referendum was a good idea, and I am certainly not I favour of leaving the EU.
But to suggest that it's fascist to hold a referendum, and then abide by its result even when it's not what you wanted - that's utter idiocy.
It would seem that the true definition of fascist these days is "a government I don't like that is more right wing than my own position"
Perhaps Joel's posts would be more at home in the irony thread.0 -
Alright lads and lasses, Stevo is a massive knob who kill your planet and sell your children into slavery.
Get a fucking grip. Listen to at least some ofthisEcrasez l’infame0 -
JS - I asked you to show me a link that was in line with your made up definition of fascism and I got nothing of the sort. Just a load of words about fascism.
Mamba - are you trying say that the Tories are fascist based on cuts to benefits which were in their manifesto?
The hysteria competition is in full flow "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote:briantrumpet wrote:
Don't forget that everyone needs to be cheerful!Joelsim wrote:briantrumpet wrote:Slightly less poetically, from the OED: "Any form of behaviour perceived as autocratic, intolerant, or oppressive; esp. the advocacy of a particular viewpoint or practice in a manner that seeks to enforce conformity."
Two out of three?
If it's not in the dictionary Pike...
Oh yes ok, let's all pull together and be happy that we have a govt who don't respect legal processes, don't respect at least 48% of the population, are quite happy to make hundreds of thousands of JAMS into soup kitchen dwellers, are quite happy to see lots of businesses move elsewhere whilst paying other companies billions to stay, who are quite happy to wind up our closest allies every day with idiotic quotes, are quite happy to lie to the electorate on every single point, are quite happy to run the NHS into the ground, are quite happy to blame immigrants for people's wage stagnation despite having to borrow £16bn extra to cover the shortfall in tax receipts from having fewer immigrants, are quite happy to criticise the BoE if it dares to suggest there are going to be problems and so on.
It beggars belief, yet people like Steve blindly follow.
The key phrase in that post was 48%.
Posted by a man who is only too keen to demonstrate his lack of respect for 52% of the country.
The 52% who voted isn't actually 52% any more, as many who voted Leave have realised they've been lied to, even some of the real thickies.
And you're right, I have absolutely zero respect for anyone who voted to leave as there isn't a single valid reason for doing so that can be supported in a positive way.0 -
Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote:briantrumpet wrote:
Don't forget that everyone needs to be cheerful!Joelsim wrote:briantrumpet wrote:Slightly less poetically, from the OED: "Any form of behaviour perceived as autocratic, intolerant, or oppressive; esp. the advocacy of a particular viewpoint or practice in a manner that seeks to enforce conformity."
Two out of three?
If it's not in the dictionary Pike...
Oh yes ok, let's all pull together and be happy that we have a govt who don't respect legal processes, don't respect at least 48% of the population, are quite happy to make hundreds of thousands of JAMS into soup kitchen dwellers, are quite happy to see lots of businesses move elsewhere whilst paying other companies billions to stay, who are quite happy to wind up our closest allies every day with idiotic quotes, are quite happy to lie to the electorate on every single point, are quite happy to run the NHS into the ground, are quite happy to blame immigrants for people's wage stagnation despite having to borrow £16bn extra to cover the shortfall in tax receipts from having fewer immigrants, are quite happy to criticise the BoE if it dares to suggest there are going to be problems and so on.
It beggars belief, yet people like Steve blindly follow.
The key phrase in that post was 48%.
Posted by a man who is only too keen to demonstrate his lack of respect for 52% of the country.
The 52% who voted isn't actually 52% any more, as many who voted Leave have realised they've been lied to, even some of the real thickies.
And you're right, I have absolutely zero respect for anyone who voted to leave as there isn't a single valid reason for doing so that can be supported in a positive way.
As I said in the other post, get yourself over to the irony thread.0 -
bompington wrote:You know, I'm not sure the referendum was a good idea, and I am certainly not I favour of leaving the EU.
But to suggest that it's fascist to hold a referendum, and then abide by its result even when it's not what you wanted - that's utter idiocy.
It would seem that the true definition of fascist these days is "a government I don't like that is more right wing than my own position"
That isn't the suggestion. I have nothing against Cameron at all. I didn't vote for him last time as I thought they'd taken austerity too far although I understood why the debt had to be worked upon.
The current crop are nationalists, and their behaviour towards many groups has been of a fascist nature.0 -
Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote:briantrumpet wrote:
Don't forget that everyone needs to be cheerful!Joelsim wrote:briantrumpet wrote:Slightly less poetically, from the OED: "Any form of behaviour perceived as autocratic, intolerant, or oppressive; esp. the advocacy of a particular viewpoint or practice in a manner that seeks to enforce conformity."
Two out of three?
If it's not in the dictionary Pike...
Oh yes ok, let's all pull together and be happy that we have a govt who don't respect legal processes, don't respect at least 48% of the population, are quite happy to make hundreds of thousands of JAMS into soup kitchen dwellers, are quite happy to see lots of businesses move elsewhere whilst paying other companies billions to stay, who are quite happy to wind up our closest allies every day with idiotic quotes, are quite happy to lie to the electorate on every single point, are quite happy to run the NHS into the ground, are quite happy to blame immigrants for people's wage stagnation despite having to borrow £16bn extra to cover the shortfall in tax receipts from having fewer immigrants, are quite happy to criticise the BoE if it dares to suggest there are going to be problems and so on.
It beggars belief, yet people like Steve blindly follow.
The key phrase in that post was 48%.
Posted by a man who is only too keen to demonstrate his lack of respect for 52% of the country.
The 52% who voted isn't actually 52% any more, as many who voted Leave have realised they've been lied to, even some of the real thickies.
And you're right, I have absolutely zero respect for anyone who voted to leave as there isn't a single valid reason for doing so that can be supported in a positive way.
As I said in the other post, get yourself over to the irony thread.
Anyway, night all. Enough of speaking to dullards (or perhaps worse) tonight.0 -
Back to the name calling?
Is that all you can offer?0 -
Again the irony with Joel reduced to name calling and he considering others 'dullards'
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Stevo 666 wrote:JS - I asked you to show me a link that was in line with your made up definition of fascism and I got nothing of the sort. Just a load of words about fascism.
Mamba - are you trying say that the Tories are fascist based on cuts to benefits which were in their manifesto?
The hysteria competition is in full flow
mmm i havent used the word fascist, they are a far right government, their policies are to the right of MT but all that has happened is the political ground has shifted to the right, making TM seem almost centralist.
So cuts to benefits that mean 1000's of families are deported out of the capitols suburbs and thats ok because it was in their fcuking manifesto..... says it all.
the only thing that is hysterical is you and your failure to even broke mild disapproval of anything Tory, you even defended DC fcuking a dead pig lol!0 -
Ballysmate wrote:Again the irony with Joel reduced to name calling and he considering others 'dullards'
All we need is to ensure that we have proper democracy, based on what the govt does or doesn't manage to negotiate. And the consequences thereof as a sum of £X,000 per person and then let's see how it's received. And let's see who the dullards are (I suspect the very same people as I'm suggesting now, unless of course there are ulterior motives).
The clue was in the Autumn Statement. Based on a very soft Brexit the UK will still need to borrow a very substantial amount of money. Rather in line with the best forecasts of a soft Brexit pre-ref. There is also no chance of a soft Brexit.0 -
Quick question, fascist is a term to abuse those to the right of your politics. What's the equivalent for those politically left of your position? You can't call lefties fascists can you?
Only saying because IMHO the Corbyn/momentum side is as bad as the UKIPers and a lot worse than a sizeable proportion of Tories.0 -
Tangled Metal wrote:Quick question, fascist is a term to abuse those to the right of your politics. What's the equivalent for those politically left of your position? You can't call lefties fascists can you?
Only saying because IMHO the Corbyn/momentum side is as bad as the UKIPers and a lot worse than a sizeable proportion of Tories.
I don't agree with that, fascist is a right-wing term based on nationalism and faux-care. The far left aren't fascist, although equally as dangerous. I haven't used he term fascist without thinking it through, or indeed in a throwaway manner.
For info, I'm not historically anti-Tory, I voted for DC the time before last.0 -
By the way, please spend a few minutes on this, it's one of the funniest things I've ever listened to.
https://youtu.be/I1q-Y20uExc0 -
If anything, going to bed at this time on a Saturday night is pretty dullBallysmate wrote:Again the irony with Joel reduced to name calling and he considering others 'dullards' "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
If anything, going to bed at this time on a Saturday night is pretty dullBallysmate wrote:Again the irony with Joel reduced to name calling and he considering others 'dullards'
Did I say I was going to bed? I have a bottle of Fleurie, some music on the hifi, although I do have to be up early to feed a load of mogs before a big Xmas lunch followed by a DJ set by a friend at some ice bar near Tower Bridge.0 -
Maybe your definition of 'night all' isn't the one most of us have. A bit like fascismJoelsim wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
If anything, going to bed at this time on a Saturday night is pretty dullBallysmate wrote:Again the irony with Joel reduced to name calling and he considering others 'dullards'
Did I say I was going to bed? I have a bottle of Fleurie, some music on the hifi, although I do have to be up early to feed a load of mogs before a big Xmas lunch followed by a DJ set by a friend at some ice bar near Tower Bridge. "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
