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  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    A bit ironic given that his missus has just been beaten because people felt they’d been shafted and they didn’t expect anything to happen anyway, so they just wanted the maddest person in the room to represent them.
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    Ballysmate wrote:
    As the US presidency is topical at the moment, and probably for some time, this little gem from Clinton (Bill) describing Jezza as the maddest person in the room.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 04641.html


    Probably explains why Jezza is keen to keep Diane Abbott close. :lol:

    Would this be the same Clinton who you admire soooo very much Bally? no it couldnt be, you d not take a blind bit of notice any of those lying fraudulent scumbags said.

    though i bet the Democrats wish they did go for Saunders lol!
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,017
    mamba80 wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    As the US presidency is topical at the moment, and probably for some time, this little gem from Clinton (Bill) describing Jezza as the maddest person in the room.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 04641.html


    Probably explains why Jezza is keen to keep Diane Abbott close. :lol:

    Would this be the same Clinton who you admire soooo very much Bally? no it couldnt be, you d not take a blind bit of notice any of those lying fraudulent scumbags said.

    though i bet the Democrats wish they did go for Saunders lol!

    Even a stopped clock can be right twice a day.

    Edit That means there is still time for you Mamba. :wink:

    Tick tock
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    mamba80 wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    As the US presidency is topical at the moment, and probably for some time, this little gem from Clinton (Bill) describing Jezza as the maddest person in the room.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 04641.html

    Would this be the same Clinton who you admire soooo very much Bally? no it couldnt be, you d not take a blind bit of notice any of those lying fraudulent scumbags said.
    I don't know about you but I try as hard as I can to judge the things people say on the content, not my prejudices.
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    Ballysmate wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    As the US presidency is topical at the moment, and probably for some time, this little gem from Clinton (Bill) describing Jezza as the maddest person in the room.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 04641.html


    Probably explains why Jezza is keen to keep Diane Abbott close. :lol:

    Would this be the same Clinton who you admire soooo very much Bally? no it couldnt be, you d not take a blind bit of notice any of those lying fraudulent scumbags said.

    though i bet the Democrats wish they did go for Saunders lol!

    Even a stopped clock can be right twice a day.

    Edit That means there is still time for you Mamba. :wink:

    Tick tock

    No Bally, you ve spent quite a lot of effort slagging off the Clintons (totally unfairly imo) and everything they do BUT the moment they say something that remotely supports your anti labour/Corbyn views, you r on it like a dog to a bone.
    well, you ve got your wish and the Clintons are no more.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,017
    The Clintons are no more? Perhaps yes, perhaps no.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/artic ... ry-clinton

    One way or another, there may be 'Clinton' in the headlines.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Guiliani is a monster penis.
    _
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,017
    What a can of worms that would be if Obama pardoned her, sorry, them.. The stench would be nauseating. Besides, they have done nothing wrong have they?
    To accept a pardon would be an admission of wrongdoing. To even offer a pardon would be to accept that the President knew they we operating illegally.
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    Sorry the labour party still exists I have not heard from them for a while. I remember now the maddest person in the room is leader. I'm joking by the way.

    On a serious note I am politically aware but I am not clear what exactly the labour party stands for these days beyond the vagaries of fairness. That to me is a real problem. Sort it out Labour please, please. I dont care who is your leader so long there is a clear message that I and other can buy as real.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,922
    Ballysmate wrote:
    What a can of worms that would be if Obama pardoned her, sorry, them.. The stench would be nauseating. Besides, they have done nothing wrong have they?
    To accept a pardon would be an admission of wrongdoing. To even offer a pardon would be to accept that the President knew they we operating illegally.
    A bit cart before the horse, no? Is there really such a thing as a preemptive pardon for one or more unspecified crimes? An actual get out of jail free card?
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,017
    rjsterry wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    What a can of worms that would be if Obama pardoned her, sorry, them.. The stench would be nauseating. Besides, they have done nothing wrong have they?
    To accept a pardon would be an admission of wrongdoing. To even offer a pardon would be to accept that the President knew they we operating illegally.
    A bit cart before the horse, no? Is there really such a thing as a preemptive pardon for one or more unspecified crimes? An actual get out of jail free card?

    Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon for all crimes committed against the USA, before Nixon had even been indicted, neveermind found guilty.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,922
    Ballysmate wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    What a can of worms that would be if Obama pardoned her, sorry, them.. The stench would be nauseating. Besides, they have done nothing wrong have they?
    To accept a pardon would be an admission of wrongdoing. To even offer a pardon would be to accept that the President knew they we operating illegally.
    A bit cart before the horse, no? Is there really such a thing as a preemptive pardon for one or more unspecified crimes? An actual get out of jail free card?

    Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon for all crimes committed against the USA, before Nixon had even been indicted, neveermind found guilty.

    Every day is a school day. I suppose it's really just being granted immunity from prosecution under another name.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,302
    Ballysmate wrote:
    What a can of worms that would be if Obama pardoned her, sorry, them.. The stench would be nauseating. Besides, they have done nothing wrong have they?
    To accept a pardon would be an admission of wrongdoing. To even offer a pardon would be to accept that the President knew they we operating illegally.

    Would stop Michelle if she ever had any ambitions to stand.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,017
    To get this thread back on track.
    Who'd be a Labour MP with John McDonnell, their Shadow Chancellor, organising protests against them to make sure it is kicking off?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... agues.html

    Almost feel sorry for them.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,011
    Ballysmate wrote:
    To get this thread back on track.
    Who'd be a Labour MP with John McDonnell, their Shadow Chancellor, organising protests against them to make sure it is kicking off?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... agues.html

    Almost feel sorry for them.
    We can't be the only ones who find John McDonnell a bit sinister. Labour is doing quite well of keeping out the headlines but the internal civil war clearly hasn't gone away.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,011
    Also interesting that previously expelled militants are trying to rejoining Labour:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37952091

    Bally, looks like your old chum Dave Nellist is one of them.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,017
    Dave Nellist? Like Joe Stalin but without the charm.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl ... hance.html

    An article (US Centric) that looks at how elections in 2-party systems look a lot like random processes.
    _
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,017
    Are Elections Decided by Chance?

    Hope so, because Corbyn has no chance.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,011
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Are Elections Decided by Chance?

    Hope so, because Corbyn has no chance.
    He's got a chance of being the Christmas number 1 :D
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38016959

    A bit like a socialist version of 'Grandad we love you' by St. Winifreds school choir.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,017
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Are Elections Decided by Chance?

    Hope so, because Corbyn has no chance.
    He's got a chance of being the Christmas number 1 :D
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38016959

    A bit like a socialist version of 'Grandad we love you' by St. Winifreds school choir.

    Cost you 3 quid Stevo?
    The French let you have a vote for £1.70

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... ine-le-pen

    What could possibly go wrong?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,011
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Are Elections Decided by Chance?

    Hope so, because Corbyn has no chance.
    He's got a chance of being the Christmas number 1 :D
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38016959

    A bit like a socialist version of 'Grandad we love you' by St. Winifreds school choir.

    Cost you 3 quid Stevo?
    The French let you have a vote for £1.70

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... ine-le-pen

    What could possibly go wrong?
    I'd have to become French?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    And what's wrong with being French? How right wing are you Stevo? :wink::wink::wink::D
    Right wing enough for the old le Pen or just Marinne le Pen levels? :wink:

    PS her daughter's been tipped as having a bright future in politics too.

    So the French right are doing what UK left did with selling leadership votes for very little just to get higher supporter figures? Isn't that kind of the difference.between our countries? Our left are desperate for money and support but the French right are in that situation. If we're more right wing nation then France must be more left wing perhaps?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,011
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    And what's wrong with being French? How right wing are you Stevo? :wink::wink::wink::D
    Right wing enough for the old le Pen or just Marinne le Pen levels? :wink:

    PS her daughter's been tipped as having a bright future in politics too.

    So the French right are doing what UK left did with selling leadership votes for very little just to get higher supporter figures? Isn't that kind of the difference.between our countries? Our left are desperate for money and support but the French right are in that situation. If we're more right wing nation then France must be more left wing perhaps?
    Oooh, so cutting :)

    If you had the prospect of the Le Pen lot getting into government, would you want to be French? And don't get me started on tax...
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    So it begins.

    May in July
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    May today
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,302
    She's just going to ask nicely?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    I do wonder if she still views everything through a very narrow Home Office lens.
    _
  • slowmart
    slowmart Posts: 4,516
    The Tories are very much on the back foot in the business context with lobbyists, Cabinet Ministers and their own MP's growing more vocal due to a lack of shape in thoughts and deeds when it comes to business.

    Any more corporation tax reductions May? The level of tax has already been reduced past the point of what was previously communicated through government policy and smells like panic in government.
    “Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to cycle and he will realize fishing is stupid and boring”

    Desmond Tutu
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    And what's wrong with being French? How right wing are you Stevo? :wink::wink::wink::D
    Right wing enough for the old le Pen or just Marinne le Pen levels? :wink:

    PS her daughter's been tipped as having a bright future in politics too.

    So the French right are doing what UK left did with selling leadership votes for very little just to get higher supporter figures? Isn't that kind of the difference.between our countries? Our left are desperate for money and support but the French right are in that situation. If we're more right wing nation then France must be more left wing perhaps?
    Oooh, so cutting :)

    If you had the prospect of the Le Pen lot getting into government, would you want to be French? And don't get me started on tax...
    I would never want to be French because I do not agree with their approach to maintaining their culture through language control and the other means they have. They're trying to prevent the natural development of their language I I believe. Whereas in England we just let any Americanism in.

    There's something about confidence in your culture being low if you feel the need for protection. Plus I don't like the way France has proper summer's and winters. I much prefer our unpredictable climate. :wink:
    One question, what do you make of ms le Pen? I kind of admire how she's been transforming the party. Even her power struggle with her dad for control of the party. IIRC he's been expelled!

    She's made it less overtly racist and more just xenophobic by focussing on anti immigration. UKIP did that and they're slipping out of the BNP or nf territory doing that.

    I.bet a lot of right wing parties are doing the softly, softly shift in focus. Take away the image or language of overt racism and you'll gain voters. A push for power and influence. UKIP got it through forcing the referendum I reckon. Marinne is getting it through clinging onto the skirt tales of UKIP forced Brexit and the trump shock votes. Without those events I wonder how she'd be doing?

    Personally the more loons power the nearer we'll be to a change in politics. Corbyn is our loon, glad it's on the other side too- That's the left wing of politics in case my grammar school viewpoint had.you doubting my right wing views.
  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    And what's wrong with being French? How right wing are you Stevo? :wink::wink::wink::D
    Right wing enough for the old le Pen or just Marinne le Pen levels? :wink:

    PS her daughter's been tipped as having a bright future in politics too.

    So the French right are doing what UK left did with selling leadership votes for very little just to get higher supporter figures? Isn't that kind of the difference.between our countries? Our left are desperate for money and support but the French right are in that situation. If we're more right wing nation then France must be more left wing perhaps?
    Oooh, so cutting :)

    If you had the prospect of the Le Pen lot getting into government, would you want to be French? And don't get me started on tax...
    I would never want to be French because I do not agree with their approach to maintaining their culture through language control and the other means they have. They're trying to prevent the natural development of their language I I believe. Whereas in England we just let any Americanism in.

    There's something about confidence in your culture being low if you feel the need for protection. Plus I don't like the way France has proper summer's and winters. I much prefer our unpredictable climate. :wink:
    One question, what do you make of ms le Pen? I kind of admire how she's been transforming the party. Even her power struggle with her dad for control of the party. IIRC he's been expelled!

    She's made it less overtly racist and more just xenophobic by focussing on anti immigration. UKIP did that and they're slipping out of the BNP or nf territory doing that.

    I.bet a lot of right wing parties are doing the softly, softly shift in focus. Take away the image or language of overt racism and you'll gain voters. A push for power and influence. UKIP got it through forcing the referendum I reckon. Marinne is getting it through clinging onto the skirt tales of UKIP forced Brexit and the trump shock votes. Without those events I wonder how she'd be doing?

    Personally the more loons power the nearer we'll be to a change in politics. Corbyn is our loon, glad it's on the other side too- That's the left wing of politics in case my grammar school viewpoint had.you doubting my right wing views.

    I think the leave campaign did UKIP a favour by excluding them> Nige never stopped talking, but was able to moderate his language and the spotlight was off the typical UKIP members for the duration. Obviously since then they have demonstrated yet again what a hopeless excuse they are for a party - just a bunch of thugs.

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