BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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A very dark day for us all.
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We are sliding ever further to the mega-right'.
I said to a college today, I REALLY HOPE YOU HAVE GOT IT RIGHT, 'cos if you haven't we are all in sh*t street.Tail end Charlie
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verylonglegs wrote:I still can't believe people are overlooking how many of the manufacturing companies here are foreign. What happens when Nissan winds Sunderland down? 15% of our economy is making stuff which is now likelyto shrink rapidly. To be replaced by what exactly? Anyone? Not had a single response on this from any leave voter which says it all.
I have a real grave feeling the UK is about to head down the pan at the behest of racist pensioners and ignorant northerners thinking last night was a protest vote. Liberal lefty elite? That old elusive bogeyman. It was about EU membership yesterday for crying out loud, why on earth was anyone looking beyond that?
I think that's one of the biggest issues. People have come to believe the 'we don't make anything anymore' spiel. It's true that primary and heavy secondary industry is in decline and that few of the major manufacturing companies are UK owned but we still produce a huge amount and it is generally high quality stuff. Why will those foreign owned companies continue doing that here now when they can probably get funding and continued access to the EU market by relocating?0 -
This nation is in the state it is due to successive British governments NOT THE EU.Tail end Charlie
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Mr Goo wrote:Pross wrote:Mr Goo wrote:ukiboy wrote:I will! No doubt about that. British independence doesn't happen every day!
This country will flourish and grow - 23rd June is a momentous day for democracy.
Huzzah!
I'll be celebrating with a cold Atlantic IPA tonight. Unlike some on here who'll be sobbing into their double mocha latte light on the train back to the leafy burbs of Surrey.
Europhiles.
Planes haven't fallen out of the sky.
Cars still on the roads.
Trains still chuffing along.
Shops still open.
People walking up and down the street.
It's just another day in the UK.
But an independent UK.
A UK that isn't part of a system that is financially butt f***ing Greece, Portugal, Italy and Spain.
You confuse me. I thought you worked in the construction sector as I do. Have you looked at what has happened to shares in house builders today? They are up there with the banks in how much they have been smashed. I'm hoping I can somehow survive another downturn in the industry but given it had got nowhere near a full recovery from the last one I fear unemployment may be heading my way for the first time in a 26 year working life.
Independent UK my ar$e, we'll have to partly dance to someone else's tune if we want to do business with them. With the exception of a few pariah states no country is truly independent in this day and age.
Housebuilding is only thriving sector in construction. I'm commercial sector and there ain't much of that going on in the south.
Anyhow. It would be great to see TW shares back at 7p each. I might buy a few thousand.
Bizarrely I thought you were a trawlerman in Hull. You should have come to London the skies were filled with cranes.0 -
Nah, mate. It's just not that easy. Don't give a rats about your background. I suspect from what you said that I could match you, point for boring point. Yes, the Brexiters won. And, like all those who "win", you will be magnanimous in victory.ukiboy wrote:Why is it that when democracy goes against them and delivers a decision that they don't like the liberal lefty elite resort to petty name calling and petulant outbursts Rick?
I voted leave but I'm not far right, nazi, chavvy or uneducated.
I speak 3 languages, went to university and work bloody long hours paying lots of tax to the treasury.
I'm just sick and tired of know it all Islington elites telling me what I should and shouldn't do.
I voted leave and I will live and die by my decision. For better or worse it's what this country wants.
Deal with that and pull together, muck in and carry on doing what we've always done and ensure that this country remains the great nation that it has always been.
But this is not about that. Apart from some Kipper nutters and rabid Tories, who really gave a toss about Europe 3 or 5 years ago. Not many. The EU was a fairly distant organisation that allowed us to travel easily, spend money more easily and otherwise join a family with a similar destination.
This is turning our back on our European friends and neighbours (in my case relations - sorry to all those in Poland who were expecting different). For what? Leave, stick two fingers up, and then say, business as usual. Cloud cuckoo land. The people expected to take us forward? Gove? Johnson? Do me a favour, love. I wouldn't trust them to run a bath.
But, as stated, it's what the "people" want. Well, not this person. A plague on all your houses. You got us into this, don't then say it is my patriotic duty to help my fellow countrymen. You sort it.
As you can guess, I voted remain. Mrs BBGeek was genuinely tearful when the result came in. Explaining this was slightly uncomfortable to our foreign (not just EU) friends and relations.
In my opinion the majority of this country hate foreigners. Some are openly racist. In the way of these things, they are to me because I am white. They wouldn't dream of being rude to a Bulgarian, or Jamaican for that matter.
At this time of my life, and at this time of my country's decision, I am actually ashamed to be: English, British and finally, European.Ecrasez l’infame0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:ukiboy wrote:Why is it that when democracy goes against them and delivers a decision that they don't like the liberal lefty elite resort to petty name calling and petulant outbursts Rick?
I voted leave but I'm not far right, nazi, chavvy or uneducated.
I speak 3 languages, went to university and work bloody long hours paying lots of tax to the treasury.
I'm just sick and tired of know it all Islington elites telling me what I should and shouldn't do.
I voted leave and I will live and die by my decision. For better or worse it's what this country wants.
Deal with that and pull together, muck in and carry on doing what we've always done and ensure that this country remains the great nation that it has always been.
I am genuinely confused. If you hate the Islington elite why did you not vote Remain? Where do you think Boris/gove live? You have to admire the way they and Farage have portrayed themselves as anti-establishment
Islington elite = Blair, Mandelson, Abbot, Cameron, Clegg etc etc.. All the v wealthy 'do as I say not as I do' brigade. Anyway, I'm all brexit-ed out and I'm off to bed.
Take care all, happy cycling, stay safe.Outside the rat race and proud of it0 -
ukiboy wrote:Why is it that when democracy goes against them and delivers a decision that they don't like the liberal lefty elite resort to petty name calling and petulant outbursts Rick?
I voted leave but I'm not far right, nazi, chavvy or uneducated.
I speak 3 languages, went to university and work bloody long hours paying lots of tax to the treasury.
I'm just sick and tired of know it all Islington elites telling me what I should and shouldn't do.
I voted leave and I will live and die by my decision. For better or worse it's what this country wants.
Deal with that and pull together, muck in and carry on doing what we've always done and ensure that this country remains the great nation that it has always been.
The problem is that half the country think that the other half have voted for an economic slowdown. Your problem is that the aggrieved half are the ones who pay the bills. Most people are on PAYE so have no choice but there is a genuine feeling of anger.0 -
ukiboy wrote:Why is it that when democracy goes against them and delivers a decision that they don't like the liberal lefty elite resort to petty name calling and petulant outbursts Rick?
I voted leave but I'm not far right, nazi, chavvy or uneducated.
I speak 3 languages, went to university and work bloody long hours paying lots of tax to the treasury.
I'm just sick and tired of know it all Islington elites telling me what I should and shouldn't do.
I voted leave and I will live and die by my decision. For better or worse it's what this country wants.
Deal with that and pull together, muck in and carry on doing what we've always done and ensure that this country remains the great nation that it has always been.
i have no intention of "pulling together" whatever that means, i never wanted this referendum and i dont need right wingers like you and Farage telling me what to do, i doubt very much you ve the education you talk of, apparently 70% of PAYE tax payers voted IN, no wonder IDS was bullish when he stated that the turn out of council estate electorate was very high.
your mess, you sort it but you wont and in a year or 2 we ll be back to the bad 'ol days of the IMF bail-out, BOE handing out 250billion to support the banks.... this is what you ve voted for.
the prob with this kind of finely balanced vote is that approx 50% are left with the shitte the other half have landed them and thats the overriding reason Cameron should have have never have called it.0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:The problem is that half the country think that the other half have voted for an economic slowdown. Your problem is that the aggrieved half are the ones who pay the bills. Most people are on PAYE so have no choice but there is a genuine feeling of anger.
Of course (to keep with the massive generalisation you are making) maybe the half that voted out would like the chance to pay the bills and that is in part why the voted out.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Jeez ukipboy all you've done is swapped one set of elites for another and fkd over our economy.
Farage privately educated and former broker. As of seven years ago he'd claimed over 2million quids expenses from the EU. God knows how much now.
Johnson - a carbon copy of Cameron ecxcept with extra untrustworthiness as he's been sacked twice for lying.
Gove with his millionaire fish dealing parents, private college and Oxford university education.
If THAT was your reason for voting leave then there's not much of a difference with the new lot.
And to get rid of Cameron you've set the country back.0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:Your problem is that the aggrieved half are the ones who pay the bills.
Another stereotype attempting to debunk the result and claim some sort of moral superiority to the Leave camp. Are you saying that the 17 million leave voters are all unemployed or out of work and claiming other benefits.
I doubt that you, I and Coopster are any different in terms of socio-economic standing. We just have different views on this. I am in the minority on this site with regards Remain/Leave, but I don't think I fit into any different demographic to the majority of users.0 -
DeVlaeminck wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:The problem is that half the country think that the other half have voted for an economic slowdown. Your problem is that the aggrieved half are the ones who pay the bills. Most people are on PAYE so have no choice but there is a genuine feeling of anger.
Of course (to keep with the massive generalisation you are making) maybe the half that voted out would like the chance to pay the bills and that is in part why the voted out.
That is a fair aspiration - but this is a strange way to achieve it0 -
How will voting out help pay the bills ?0
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For the working masses think about this.
Sports direct based in Shirebrooke totally abuse their workforce and this was with the constraints of EU regislation. Now we are out watch the tories go to town.Tail end Charlie
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mrfpb wrote:Rick
3.9 million voted for UKIP, 17+ million voted Leave. That's me and 13 million others who are not UKIP voters, who had motives not related to hating immigrants for wanting to leave the EU.
Please stop with the petty name calling. You didn't get what you wanted, but you can choose to act like a grown up.
Rick's previously stated that he feels there's a good chance of being made redundant as a result of Britain leaving the EU. So yes, he's probably a bit p1ssed off right now, just as I (as a self-employed person who does a lot of work with European clients and doesn't know how this will affect my business) am feeling at this very moment. What are we meant to be doing? Thanking other people for putting out livelihoods on the line?0 -
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mrfpb wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:Your problem is that the aggrieved half are the ones who pay the bills.
Another stereotype attempting to debunk the result and claim some sort of moral superiority to the Leave camp. Are you saying that the 17 million leave voters are all unemployed or out of work and claiming other benefits.
I doubt that you, I and Coopster are any different in terms of socio-economic standing. We just have different views on this. I am in the minority on this site with regards Remain/Leave, but I don't think I fit into any different demographic to the majority of users.
A majority would be retired, what about the vast majority of u25s who voted IN ? they are the ones who this decision will effect the most and for the longest.
a 2/3rds majority and min turn out out, should been the rule, much like calling a union strike.
this vote has caused division across our nation, which ever way it went.0 -
Mr Goo wrote:This vote for nearly all those that voted leave was about Democracy, the political elite in the UK and Europe and the banking and financial institutions.
17.5m disenfranchised citizens.
Funnily enough, I'm having a difficult time accepting that these millions of people actually have a clue how the EU works.Mr Goo wrote:Move on. Accept that the UK had decided to strike out on its own.
And the demographics of the vote suggest that in 10 or 15 years' time, the majority of the population will want to rejoin. Then what?0 -
finchy wrote:mrfpb wrote:Rick
3.9 million voted for UKIP, 17+ million voted Leave. That's me and 13 million others who are not UKIP voters, who had motives not related to hating immigrants for wanting to leave the EU.
Please stop with the petty name calling. You didn't get what you wanted, but you can choose to act like a grown up.
Rick's previously stated that he feels there's a good chance of being made redundant as a result of Britain leaving the EU. So yes, he's probably a bit p1ssed off right now, just as I (as a self-employed person who does a lot of work with European clients and doesn't know how this will affect my business) am feeling at this very moment. What are we meant to be doing? Thanking other people for putting out livelihoods on the line?
I didn't say he should thank me, I said he has no right to call me and millions of other people racist for voting Leave.0 -
mrfpb wrote:finchy wrote:mrfpb wrote:Rick
3.9 million voted for UKIP, 17+ million voted Leave. That's me and 13 million others who are not UKIP voters, who had motives not related to hating immigrants for wanting to leave the EU.
Please stop with the petty name calling. You didn't get what you wanted, but you can choose to act like a grown up.
Rick's previously stated that he feels there's a good chance of being made redundant as a result of Britain leaving the EU. So yes, he's probably a bit p1ssed off right now, just as I (as a self-employed person who does a lot of work with European clients and doesn't know how this will affect my business) am feeling at this very moment. What are we meant to be doing? Thanking other people for putting out livelihoods on the line?
I didn't say he should thank me, I said he has no right to call me and millions of other people racist for voting Leave.
As far as I can see, he was accusing UKIP of being far-right nativists. Not everyone who voted leave is a racist, but when Farage puts up a poster showing Syrian refugees on their way to Germany as a reason for the UK to leave the EU (despite the fact that our refugee policy isn't set by the EU and the vast majority of those refugees will never come and live in Britain), it's a fair point to say that UKIP have been indulging in racist scaremongering.0 -
My last say on this, first two paragraphs sum it. She thinks she is poor because of the EU rather than probably around 30yrs of domestic political decisions. Pretty sad really as we are all about to pay and more likely people in her postion more than anyone.
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Finchy,
This is what Rick wroteNo thanks to the f*cking nativist far right UKIPers, and their bigot ways, with their nazi inspired posters.
It'll be the same rational sensible people who voted remain who will be the ones sorting out the mess. And let's be clear, it's a mess.
And they'll get on with it, and they'll continue to be hated by the narrow minded provincial bigots, despite their efforts.
So Remain = Rational and sensible, Leave = UKIP, bigot, Nazi inspired. My point is that UKIP could not win the referendum, they made up about 1/4 of the leave vote.0 -
Definitely an interesting problem that.finchy wrote:Mr Goo wrote:Move on. Accept that the UK had decided to strike out on its own.
And the demographics of the vote suggest that in 10 or 15 years' time, the majority of the population will want to rejoin. Then what?
But a shame turnout amongst that generation was much lower as well - I don't remember much effort beige made to appeal to the young to vote. This is a big problem with current UK politics IMV, because we have an ageing population politicians are focusing on old people since they're also more likely to vote (see the pensions "triple lock" for example). Be very interesting to see what happens when that all changes, as it inevitably will.0 -
mrfpb wrote:Finchy,
This is what Rick wroteNo thanks to the f*cking nativist far right UKIPers, and their bigot ways, with their nazi inspired posters.
It'll be the same rational sensible people who voted remain who will be the ones sorting out the mess. And let's be clear, it's a mess.
And they'll get on with it, and they'll continue to be hated by the narrow minded provincial bigots, despite their efforts.
So Remain = Rational and sensible, Leave = UKIP, bigot, Nazi inspired. My point is that UKIP could not win the referendum, they made up about 1/4 of the leave vote.
Yes, but the Nazi insult was aimed at UKIPers. That's how I read it. Maybe Rick could weigh in on this one?0 -
Also spoke to a French friend earlier, he suggested 72% turnout would be deemed very low for an issue of this magnitude, which speaks volumes as we all thought it was quite high.0
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mrfpb wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:Your problem is that the aggrieved half are the ones who pay the bills.
Another stereotype attempting to debunk the result and claim some sort of moral superiority to the Leave camp. Are you saying that the 17 million leave voters are all unemployed or out of work and claiming other benefits.
I doubt that you, I and Coopster are any different in terms of socio-economic standing. We just have different views on this. I am in the minority on this site with regards Remain/Leave, but I don't think I fit into any different demographic to the majority of users.
Not trying to debunk the result and am refusing to sign any online petitions to that affect.
I am saying they are more likely to be net beneficiaries. You must know that I genuinely feel the vast majority of them have been misled and will be worse off. bores/gove should be strung up.
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Finchy gets it. UKIP used the same shot of refugees in Eastern Europe as the Nazis did to make the same point.finchy wrote:mrfpb wrote:Finchy,
This is what Rick wroteNo thanks to the f*cking nativist far right UKIPers, and their bigot ways, with their nazi inspired posters.
It'll be the same rational sensible people who voted remain who will be the ones sorting out the mess. And let's be clear, it's a mess.
And they'll get on with it, and they'll continue to be hated by the narrow minded provincial bigots, despite their efforts.
So Remain = Rational and sensible, Leave = UKIP, bigot, Nazi inspired. My point is that UKIP could not win the referendum, they made up about 1/4 of the leave vote.
Yes, but the Nazi insult was aimed at UKIPers. That's how I read it. Maybe Rick could weigh in on this one?0 -
Pinno wrote:
I love how civilised that is. Boris is used to being liked - I imagine he is surprised by how many of his natural supporters now think he is a total cvnt0
