BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

ukiboy

The down side of this result is the fall of the pound.. I'm off to Paris next month and I wish I bought up my Euro's ages ago rather than wait :-(
Also, as a keen biker does this vote mean that if I want to buy a BMW or KTM or Ducati I'll now have to pay double the price??
Still, on the plus side, luvvies like Russell Brand, Emma Thompson and Russell Brand will now be crying into their Pot Noodles :-))))

pblakeney

Joelsim wrote:

Ah, you need to watch the video. It couldn't be clearer.

Ah. Mixed messages. Definitely going to happen, and getting down to business immediately.
But voting at some point within 28 months and taking time to sort things out first.

pblakeney

ukiboy wrote:

Still, on the plus side, luvvies like Russell Brand, Emma Thompson and Russell Brand will now be crying into their Pot Noodles :-))))

I wonder if all those who said they would leave, will?

bobmcstuff

PBlakeney wrote:

ukiboy wrote:

Still, on the plus side, luvvies like Russell Brand, Emma Thompson and Russell Brand will now be crying into their Pot Noodles :-))))

I wonder if all those who said they would leave, will?

I never said I would leave beforehand, but it sounds like a good idea.

I've just spent the morning figuring out how to apply for the NZ passport I am entitled to anyway.

pblakeney

bobmcstuff wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

ukiboy wrote:

Still, on the plus side, luvvies like Russell Brand, Emma Thompson and Russell Brand will now be crying into their Pot Noodles :-))))

I wonder if all those who said they would leave, will?

I never said I would leave beforehand, but it sounds like a good idea.

I've just spent the morning figuring out how to apply for the NZ passport I am entitled to anyway.

I was talking about the "celebs" really.
Anyway, jealous, really jealous.

First.Aspect

PBlakeney wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

Maglia Rosa wrote:

Does my entire family on my fathers side count? The point is, they voted to remain part of the UK once already. The whole idea of voting again to leave just because it will keep them in an EU with a very uncertain future would not make a lot of sense until there is a clear view of what happens next among the other nations. Scotland could theoretically leave the UK, join the EU, and then find themselves in a worse situation than they (think) they are already.

Probably why Sturgeon isn't rushing into things. Waiting for the dust to settle.
If I was a betting man though...

Erm, having just watched Sturgeon's speech, which btw was excellent, a second referendum will be held very very quickly with her full backing.

I was going by this quote on the BBC.
"Asked if there were any other options available to the Scottish government, she replied: "I think an independence referendum is now highly likely but I also think it is important that we take time to consider all steps and have the discussions, not least to assess the response of the European Union to the vote that Scotland expressed yesterday.""

She did take time. She waited until late morning to make a knee jerk opportunist announcement.

iPete

bobmcstuff wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

ukiboy wrote:

Still, on the plus side, luvvies like Russell Brand, Emma Thompson and Russell Brand will now be crying into their Pot Noodles :-))))

I wonder if all those who said they would leave, will?

I never said I would leave beforehand, but it sounds like a good idea.

I've just spent the morning figuring out how to apply for the NZ passport I am entitled to anyway.

Oh snap! I've not spent all morning but figure I fall under "Citizenship by Descent - born on or after 1 January 1978".
https://www.dia.govt.nz/diawebsite.nsf/ ... enDocument

How about yourself?

joelsim

PBlakeney wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Ah, you need to watch the video. It couldn't be clearer.

Ah. Mixed messages. Definitely going to happen, and getting down to business immediately.
But voting at some point within 28 months and taking time to sort things out first.

Rather sounded like there will be a referendum within 3 months.

joelsim

First Aspect wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

Maglia Rosa wrote:

Does my entire family on my fathers side count? The point is, they voted to remain part of the UK once already. The whole idea of voting again to leave just because it will keep them in an EU with a very uncertain future would not make a lot of sense until there is a clear view of what happens next among the other nations. Scotland could theoretically leave the UK, join the EU, and then find themselves in a worse situation than they (think) they are already.

Probably why Sturgeon isn't rushing into things. Waiting for the dust to settle.
If I was a betting man though...

Erm, having just watched Sturgeon's speech, which btw was excellent, a second referendum will be held very very quickly with her full backing.

I was going by this quote on the BBC.
"Asked if there were any other options available to the Scottish government, she replied: "I think an independence referendum is now highly likely but I also think it is important that we take time to consider all steps and have the discussions, not least to assess the response of the European Union to the vote that Scotland expressed yesterday.""

She did take time. She waited until late morning to make a knee jerk opportunist announcement.

Unfortunately she is doing absolutely the right thing. Something we in England now don't have an option to do.

Dorset_Boy

So much bullshit from the media about the collapse of the pound and the investment markets being repeated here.

On the pound, only 6 years ago £1.00 = Eur 1.00
3 years ago it was £1.00 = Eur 1.17
Last summer it was £1.00 = £1.40
Yesterday it was £1.00 = Eur 1.30
Today it is £1.00 = Eur 1.25

Against the dollar, we are at the same level as we were on 26th February this year, and the dollar has been strengthening steading since July 2014.

The FTSE100 is back to where it was just a few weeks ago.

Change brings uncertainty, but it also brings opportunity.

We may not like the result, but it is what it is and some honesty and balance is required.

ukiboy

PBlakeney wrote:

ukiboy wrote:

Still, on the plus side, luvvies like Russell Brand, Emma Thompson and Russell Brand will now be crying into their Pot Noodles :-))))

I wonder if all those who said they would leave, will?

We'll see... These were the multi millionaires who don't live in the real world..
Beckhams, thompsons, bonham carters etc... The multi millionaires...

What do they really know about every day life?

The Polly Toynbees, the Diane Abbotts, the Osbornes, the Skinners, the Sturgeons....

These people are wildly rich. They don't live in the real world. They've not seen their communities changed beyond all recognition in the last twenty years..

The British electorate stuck two fingers up to the establishment. Thank You!
Thank you Wales, thank you northern England, thank you English shires, south west England etc...

ddraver

Joelsim wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Ah, you need to watch the video. It couldn't be clearer.

Ah. Mixed messages. Definitely going to happen, and getting down to business immediately.
But voting at some point within 28 months and taking time to sort things out first.

Rather sounded like there will be a referendum within 3 months.

There won't be one in 3 months Joel, just becasue it would require agreement from the now leaderless Government.

But I suspect you re right and then the day the UK officially leaves the EU will be the day the UK breaks up...

Bo Duke

ukiboy wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

ukiboy wrote:

Still, on the plus side, luvvies like Russell Brand, Emma Thompson and Russell Brand will now be crying into their Pot Noodles :-))))

I wonder if all those who said they would leave, will?

We'll see... These were the multi millionaires who don't live in the real world..
Beckhams, thompsons, bonham carters etc... The multi millionaires...

What do they really know about every day life?

The Polly Toynbees, the Diane Abbotts, the Osbornes, the Skinners, the Sturgeons....

These people are wildly rich. They don't live in the real world. They've not seen their communities changed beyond all recognition in the last twenty years..

The British electorate stuck two fingers up to the establishment. Thank You!
Thank you Wales, thank you northern England, thank you English shires, south west England etc...

Difficult to disagree with your logic.

pblakeney

Joelsim wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Ah, you need to watch the video. It couldn't be clearer.

Ah. Mixed messages. Definitely going to happen, and getting down to business immediately.
But voting at some point within 28 months and taking time to sort things out first.

Rather sounded like there will be a referendum within 3 months.

Not a chance in hell.

Dorset_Boy

The European political elite have ignored their populations for decades and rushed headlong into trying to create a European superstate and rushed into a single currency on the back of their own egos. In the UK our elite have over the last 20 years widened the gaps from the average citizen.

My feeling is that the 52% have often used this vote to say enough of the snouts in the troughs. They don't believe that the reforms that the EU needs will come along because turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

Coupled with such a negative campaign full of dishonesty and extreme interpretations, the appeal of a bloody nose to the establishment became too appealing.

As the Guardian have pointed out, if you've felt constantly battered and bruised and feel you have lost a lot already, the risk of losing any more is small.

bobmcstuff

iPete wrote:

bobmcstuff wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

ukiboy wrote:

Still, on the plus side, luvvies like Russell Brand, Emma Thompson and Russell Brand will now be crying into their Pot Noodles :-))))

I wonder if all those who said they would leave, will?

I never said I would leave beforehand, but it sounds like a good idea.

I've just spent the morning figuring out how to apply for the NZ passport I am entitled to anyway.

Oh snap! I've not spent all morning but figure I fall under "Citizenship by Descent - born on or after 1 January 1978".
https://www.dia.govt.nz/diawebsite.nsf/ ... enDocument

How about yourself?

Same, my dad was born in Wellington.

It's a good one to have as they have free movement with Australia, which is hard to get into. Also generally speaking useful to have 2 different passports because of varying visa requirements, I should have got one years ago.

ddraver

Dorset Boy wrote:

because turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

Turkeys literally have voted for christmas



and I literally mean literally how it literally means

craigus89

ddraver wrote:

Dorset Boy wrote:

because turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

Turkeys literally have voted for christmas

That doesn't surprise me at all. Broadly speaking the immigration side of this is far too emotive to make people vote with their heads. Wouldn't surprise me to see plenty of people voting to leave on the back of that and not realising the potential implications on their jobs/financial situation or the jobs/financial situation of those in their community.

But then I assume that is obvious to most?

finchy

Stevo 666 wrote:

finchy wrote:

bobmcstuff wrote:

Although with the pound through the floor we'll be much more competitive for the next couple of years while we're still in the EU...

But if we have to export a load of components and raw materials (which is often the case), it won't make our products much cheaper at all.

Our exports are mostly services finchy. As people.point out on here, we don't have a large manufacturing sector.

But who knows what will happen in the FX markets over the next year or two. We've been down to around 1.10 to the Euro before in 20009 so its not completely new territory.

Yes, but I think bobmcstuff mentioned working in manufacturing and assume he was talking about his workplace. I was also working on the assumption that the brexiteers' fantasy economics included our manufacturing sector suddenly bursting to life to rival Germany or Switzerland. and take up the slack once the foretold financial sector armageddon devastates our land.

bobmcstuff

finchy wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

finchy wrote:

bobmcstuff wrote:

Although with the pound through the floor we'll be much more competitive for the next couple of years while we're still in the EU...

But if we have to export a load of components and raw materials (which is often the case), it won't make our products much cheaper at all.

Our exports are mostly services finchy. As people.point out on here, we don't have a large manufacturing sector.

But who knows what will happen in the FX markets over the next year or two. We've been down to around 1.10 to the Euro before in 20009 so its not completely new territory.

Yes, but I think bobmcstuff mentioned working in manufacturing and assume he was talking about his workplace. I was also working on the assumption that the brexiteers' fantasy economics included our manufacturing sector suddenly bursting to life to rival Germany or Switzerland. and take up the slack once the foretold financial sector armageddon devastates our land.

Not my workplace directly, but pretty much. In principle what we do is help companies to reduce the chances of blowing up, burning to death or otherwise accidentally killing their employees/the public, but in practice that mostly means complying with EU and UK regulations. Most companies with those kind of risks are in the business of making something or other.

It will be interesting for sure, as we do a lot of work with EU directives, but I see a lot of them just being kept to be honest as the government won't be able to come up with UK versions of all of the EU regulations we currently work under.

It will also be interesting to see what happens to those EU rules which are currently being implemented that we pretty much dictated or had a very strong say in, which for all the Brexiters whingeing about Brussels making our laws is actually quite a lot. There's one in particular I have worked with where the EU directive is just the existing UK regs with some bolt ons.

orraloon

And they're off. Your starter for 2,000 jobs is US bank Morgan Stanley, implementing their Brexit contingency plans to reposition euro clearing back office jobs to Dublin / Frankfurt.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 00911.html

ukiboy

The more I'm watching the news the more I realise how amazing these days are.
Princess Di dying, 9/11, 7/7 and now British Independance Day - these dates will stick firmly in my mind as historical and world changing events. This day, more than the others, will really stick in our collective minds. Thank You Great Britain! Thank You for delivering Independance to these great Islands!

orraloon

ukiboy wrote:

The more I'm watching the news the more I realise how amazing these days are.
Princess Di dying, 9/11, 7/7 and now British Independance Day - these dates will stick firmly in my mind as historical and world changing events. This day, more than the others, will really stick in our collective minds. Thank You Great Britain! Thank You for delivering Independance to these great Islands!

IndependEnce I think you'll find. English is a great language...

surrey_commuter

Dorset Boy wrote:

The European political elite have ignored their populations for decades and rushed headlong into trying to create a European superstate and rushed into a single currency on the back of their own egos. In the UK our elite have over the last 20 years widened the gaps from the average citizen.

My feeling is that the 52% have often used this vote to say enough of the snouts in the troughs. They don't believe that the reforms that the EU needs will come along because turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

Coupled with such a negative campaign full of dishonesty and extreme interpretations, the appeal of a bloody nose to the establishment became too appealing.

As the Guardian have pointed out, if you've felt constantly battered and bruised and feel you have lost a lot already, the risk of losing any more is small.

Voting for Farage/Gove/Johnson to give a bloody nose to the establishment is a bizarre concept. It would have been a lot cheaper to throw washing powder ina municipal fountain.

Ben6899

ukiboy wrote:

The more I'm watching the news the more I realise how amazing these days are.
Princess Di dying, 9/11, 7/7 and now British Independance Day - these dates will stick firmly in my mind as historical and world changing events. This day, more than the others, will really stick in our collective minds. Thank You Great Britain! Thank You for delivering Independance to these great Islands!

How are Princess Diana's death, 9/11 and 7/7 related to yesterday's/today's clusterfuck?

surrey_commuter

orraloon wrote:

ukiboy wrote:

The more I'm watching the news the more I realise how amazing these days are.
Princess Di dying, 9/11, 7/7 and now British Independance Day - these dates will stick firmly in my mind as historical and world changing events. This day, more than the others, will really stick in our collective minds. Thank You Great Britain! Thank You for delivering Independance to these great Islands!

IndependEnce I think you'll find. English is a great language...

Traditionally it has not been a capital E but they do say English is an evolving language.

rolf_f

bobmcstuff wrote:

It will be interesting for sure, as we do a lot of work with EU directives, but I see a lot of them just being kept to be honest as the government won't be able to come up with UK versions of all of the EU regulations we currently work under.

Same here - my concern is we'll carry on but all of a sudden, come an election time we'll end up being cut to hell as what we do isn't the sort of thing that gets votes (which of course is why it is so much more likely to work in Europe than without).

This referendum was like asking a child if they want an inoculation needle stuck in them.

orraloon

This taken from a tweet posted on BBC news site



The old have dragged the young out of the EU. They should be grateful to their elders eh?

As has been said elsewhere, a lot of those who voted Leave will be dead before it happens.

surrey_commuter

Ben6899 wrote:

ukiboy wrote:

The more I'm watching the news the more I realise how amazing these days are.
Princess Di dying, 9/11, 7/7 and now British Independance Day - these dates will stick firmly in my mind as historical and world changing events. This day, more than the others, will really stick in our collective minds. Thank You Great Britain! Thank You for delivering Independance to these great Islands!

How are Princess Diana's death, 9/11 and 7/7 related to yesterday's/today's clusterfuck?

And if we are going to count these as momentous dates can we at least put 31/8. And as we have asserted our soverieigmity can we write 11/9

Dorset_Boy

orraloon wrote:

This taken from a tweet posted on BBC news site



The old have dragged the young out of the EU. They should be grateful to their elders eh?

As has been said elsewhere, a lot of those who voted Leave will be dead before it happens.

...and the percentage turnout amongst the young was the lowest of the age groups - apathy still rules eh?
Not to mention more from the lower socio economic groups voted out.