BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

Ben6899

My toilet needs fixing. But I have a Polish lad lined up for that.

morstar

orraloon wrote:

This ain't over. The knuckle dragger 'Spooners may have swallowed the BS for now, but the intelligent 'hard working' productive segment of the population are well pixxed off. Given who actually contributes the tax revenues to support said 'Spooners, no the game ain't over.

That's how I see it. I have the 'pleasure' of working in a place that I have always considered quite inward looking and yet only one person has voiced any sort of Brexit support at work compared to vast numbers of in voters. I very much feel the providers on society have been done over by the takers. Personally, I think the lurch to the right they've presented for us will ultimately shaft them completely and they'll get very little sympathy. I do feel sorry for the innocent but inevitable victims in all of this though when redundancies start happening.
I work in purchasing. The majority of our sizeable spend is in dollars and euros. Everything is now a lot more expensive and we operate on tight margins. We're a strong business and fortunately growing our eu exports but, if everything costs 20% more for a prolonged period of time, it will force changes.
As a side note, our light manufacturing workforce is largely east European. Incredibly difficult to fill jobs with Brits despite proactive attempts to do so in an area of the country where there is higher than average unemployment.
At least we'll have shiny new hospitals and can sell our products in China, India and Brazil so much more easily now though. I'm sure our sales office will be inundated with calls.

finchy

Ben6899 wrote:

The only silver lining to this massive ******* mess is that, in a years time, I'll be able to hold my head high regardless of the situation we find ourselves in.

Look, we've all got to be positive and try to look for opportunities. And I spot an excellent opportunity for t-shirts bearing the slogan "Don't blame me, I voted in" a few months from now.

Stevo_666

Ben6899 wrote:

The only silver lining to this massive ******* mess is that, in a years time, I'll be able to hold my head high regardless of the situation we find ourselves in.

For me, the real crime is driving divides through Europe and the UK. My girlfriend - an EU migrant - is gutted and no longer feels welcome anywhere but London. She won't be the only EU migrant who feels this way.

But I doubt you give a f*** about that, if you voted to Leave. And if you do give a f*** about it - and it doesn't sit all that we'll - then maybe you should've voted in a more considered way.

People who voted to Leave - some friends - are changed forever in my eyes. I don't think I can reconcile at all in some cases.

I guess you're talking to me. I voted to Remain.

mrfpb

Where's Wally?

Or rather where is George Osborne.

Is there any non-political reason why the BoE and Treasury could not have told us their contingency plans for Brexit before the vote, and so avoided at least some of the market panic? I think we need to ask Wally, sorry George.

Lookyhere

mrfpb wrote:

Where's Wally?

Or rather where is George Osborne.

Is there any non-political reason why the BoE and Treasury could not have told us their contingency plans for Brexit before the vote, and so avoided at least some of the market panic? I think we need to ask Wally, sorry George.

Where does this £250 billion of bank support money come from? how does all this effect the selling off of RBS/Lloyds stock ?

and do the banks need to pay it back or is it added to our debt?

the BOE and George told us all, many times over what their fears were and the dangers of a Brexit, have you changed your mind now?

Garry H

NI should be interesting...

First.Aspect

I wouldn't worry too much about access to cheap labour. No country has ever negotiated access to the single market without free movement. That's kind of the definition of "free market" given that the labour market is part of it.

Here's what I'd like to ask the average "leave" voter: "So, you've voted to leave, you get a bonus recession, you can't kerb immigration (which is why you voted to leave), your country no longer has a say in Europe, 50% of trade is still with Europe so you have to comply with all the regulations you no longer have a say in anyway, and because you are a bit thick and voted to leave, you don't realise that most of the high profile laws that we disagreed with here actually came from the ECHR, which we are still subject to. Happy now?"

The answer would probably be, "Eh?"

mrfpb

Lookyhere wrote:

mrfpb wrote:

Where's Wally?

Or rather where is George Osborne.

Is there any non-political reason why the BoE and Treasury could not have told us their contingency plans for Brexit before the vote, and so avoided at least some of the market panic? I think we need to ask Wally, sorry George.

Where does this £250 billion of bank support money come from? how does all this effect the selling off of RBS/Lloyds stock ?

and do the banks need to pay it back or is it added to our debt?

the BOE and George told us all, many times over what their fears were and the dangers of a Brexit, have you changed your mind now?

Osborne told us scare stories, but not about contingency planning. If the markets knew what plans were in place they would not have panicked so much. Much of the volatility over Thurs - Fri was due to traders betting heavily on a Remain vote, the panic on Friday was due to losing their bet.

orraloon

finchy wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

The only silver lining to this massive ******* mess is that, in a years time, I'll be able to hold my head high regardless of the situation we find ourselves in.

Look, we've all got to be positive and try to look for opportunities. And I spot an excellent opportunity for t-shirts bearing the slogan "Don't blame me, I voted in" a few months from now.

Complete with a Union-Jack-minus-the-blue logo? Got a contact over in Spain who can get them printed cheap. Oh hang on...

rick_chasey

jawooga

Club rides should pick up a little with all that unregulated meat about to hit our diets.

bendertherobot

First Aspect wrote:

I wouldn't worry too much about access to cheap labour. No country has ever negotiated access to the single market without free movement. That's kind of the definition of "free market" given that the labour market is part of it.

Here's what I'd like to ask the average "leave" voter: "So, you've voted to leave, you get a bonus recession, you can't kerb immigration (which is why you voted to leave), your country no longer has a say in Europe, 50% of trade is still with Europe so you have to comply with all the regulations you no longer have a say in anyway, and because you are a bit thick and voted to leave, you don't realise that most of the high profile laws that we disagreed with here actually came from the ECHR, which we are still subject to. Happy now?"

The answer would probably be, "Eh?"

With some variation it's the position my mum is in and my brother ranted a bit at our dinner out last night. She was quite quiet but her eyes had that "we won" look. But I think amongst it was a realisation that every single thing I told her last week was true. Nevertheless her view remains that "it will be fine."

Ben6899

Stevo 666 wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

The only silver lining to this massive ******* mess is that, in a years time, I'll be able to hold my head high regardless of the situation we find ourselves in.

For me, the real crime is driving divides through Europe and the UK. My girlfriend - an EU migrant - is gutted and no longer feels welcome anywhere but London. She won't be the only EU migrant who feels this way.

But I doubt you give a f*** about that, if you voted to Leave. And if you do give a f*** about it - and it doesn't sit all that we'll - then maybe you should've voted in a more considered way.

People who voted to Leave - some friends - are changed forever in my eyes. I don't think I can reconcile at all in some cases.

I guess you're talking to me. I voted to Remain.

If you voted to Remain, then I wasn't talking to you.

First.Aspect

bendertherobot wrote:

First Aspect wrote:

I wouldn't worry too much about access to cheap labour. No country has ever negotiated access to the single market without free movement. That's kind of the definition of "free market" given that the labour market is part of it.

Here's what I'd like to ask the average "leave" voter: "So, you've voted to leave, you get a bonus recession, you can't kerb immigration (which is why you voted to leave), your country no longer has a say in Europe, 50% of trade is still with Europe so you have to comply with all the regulations you no longer have a say in anyway, and because you are a bit thick and voted to leave, you don't realise that most of the high profile laws that we disagreed with here actually came from the ECHR, which we are still subject to. Happy now?"

The answer would probably be, "Eh?"

With some variation it's the position my mum is in and my brother ranted a bit at our dinner out last night. She was quite quiet but her eyes had that "we won" look. But I think amongst it was a realisation that every single thing I told her last week was true. Nevertheless her view remains that "it will be fine."

It will be fine, in the grand scheme of things. Just less fine than it would have been.

bendertherobot

First Aspect wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

First Aspect wrote:

I wouldn't worry too much about access to cheap labour. No country has ever negotiated access to the single market without free movement. That's kind of the definition of "free market" given that the labour market is part of it.

Here's what I'd like to ask the average "leave" voter: "So, you've voted to leave, you get a bonus recession, you can't kerb immigration (which is why you voted to leave), your country no longer has a say in Europe, 50% of trade is still with Europe so you have to comply with all the regulations you no longer have a say in anyway, and because you are a bit thick and voted to leave, you don't realise that most of the high profile laws that we disagreed with here actually came from the ECHR, which we are still subject to. Happy now?"

The answer would probably be, "Eh?"

With some variation it's the position my mum is in and my brother ranted a bit at our dinner out last night. She was quite quiet but her eyes had that "we won" look. But I think amongst it was a realisation that every single thing I told her last week was true. Nevertheless her view remains that "it will be fine."

It will be fine, in the grand scheme of things. Just less fine than it would have been.

Indeed.

joe2008

"What I'm thrilled about actually is subliminally, almost unconsciously, the great British public have put their democratic freedom ahead of money and the establishment elite has had a kicking. Whether the establishment are trade unions or big business or ministers or Brussels or the markets - every one of them tried to frighten the living daylights out of Britain for about eight weeks. And the British public sort of quietly went about their business and went into a secret ballot box and said: 'Do you know what? I like electing my leaders - I don't like actually being told what to do by an unelected, unaccountable people, so I'm going to get out of that lot, and if it costs me a few bob for a couple of years so be it'. And I say well done to them." Digby Jones

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

So BREXIT has stopped attacks on London?

surrey_commuter

mrfpb wrote:

Where's Wally?

Or rather where is George Osborne.

Is there any non-political reason why the BoE and Treasury could not have told us their contingency plans for Brexit before the vote, and so avoided at least some of the market panic? I think we need to ask Wally, sorry George.

By announcing plans in case the worst happens you spook the markets. Then if the worst happens your plans have already been discounted. Also if you say you will stand in the market and defend the pound everybody will bet against you.

What is the point of Osborne offering reassurances when he will not be there to honour them. That is like asking Cameron to veto Turkish membership in 30 years time.

The other possibility is that they secretly agreed with The Boris and thought nothing would happen and decided to ignore the experts.

bobmcstuff

joe2008 wrote:

"What I'm thrilled about actually is subliminally, almost unconsciously, the great British public have put their democratic freedom ahead of money and the establishment elite has had a kicking. Whether the establishment are trade unions or big business or ministers or Brussels or the markets - every one of them tried to frighten the living daylights out of Britain for about eight weeks. And the British public sort of quietly went about their business and went into a secret ballot box and said: 'Do you know what? I like electing my leaders - I don't like actually being told what to do by an unelected, unaccountable people, so I'm going to get out of that lot, and if it costs me a few bob for a couple of years so be it'. And I say well done to them." Digby Jones

I suppose if you've got no money anyway then the prospect of losing money doesn't really matter to you.

Same if you're seventy and will be dead then anyway.

Perhaps they should have asked the 70% of people who pay tax through PAYE who voted Remain, as it'll be them who get screwed over by this.

Bo Duke

Ben6899 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

The only silver lining to this massive ******* mess is that, in a years time, I'll be able to hold my head high regardless of the situation we find ourselves in.

For me, the real crime is driving divides through Europe and the UK. My girlfriend - an EU migrant - is gutted and no longer feels welcome anywhere but London. She won't be the only EU migrant who feels this way.

But I doubt you give a f*** about that, if you voted to Leave. And if you do give a f*** about it - and it doesn't sit all that we'll - then maybe you should've voted in a more considered way.

People who voted to Leave - some friends - are changed forever in my eyes. I don't think I can reconcile at all in some cases.

I guess you're talking to me. I voted to Remain.

If you voted to Remain, then I wasn't talking to you.

Blimey... this referendum really is bringing out all the worst aspects of our society isn't it?

We now judge each other basis our vote, regardless of our experience in life, where we live or how many times we've lost jobs because of EU directives?

Grand lads, grand... you're made for each other. Bonk away.

Garry H

How many jobs have been lost because of EU Directives and what were those Directives?

orraloon

Garry H

orraloon wrote:

And then having the cheek to ask us,born and bred Brits, to show them!!

coopster_the_1st

Too much to catch up on overall. Everyone has now gone into blame mode.

The EU are still trying to tell us what to do but trying to dictate the pace of exit negotiations. Have they not learnt? I'm encouraged that the UK will do things at the pace that is best for the UK. This simple thing sums up the why we had this referendum

surrey_commuter

Lookyhere wrote:

mrfpb wrote:

Where's Wally?

Or rather where is George Osborne.

Is there any non-political reason why the BoE and Treasury could not have told us their contingency plans for Brexit before the vote, and so avoided at least some of the market panic? I think we need to ask Wally, sorry George.

Where does this £250 billion of bank support money come from? how does all this effect the selling off of RBS/Lloyds stock ?

and do the banks need to pay it back or is it added to our debt?

the BOE and George told us all, many times over what their fears were and the dangers of a Brexit, have you changed your mind now?

All added to the national debt along with any currency losses we are taking by supporting sterling. But never mind all will be fine.

Yes the banks will have to pay it back

rbs/lloyds probably lost you another £10bn but that is only on paper.

surrey_commuter

Garry H wrote:

NI should be interesting...

Would save us £7bn a year if we got rid of it

Garry H

We won't though...

bobmcstuff

Garry H wrote:

How many jobs have been lost because of EU Directives and what were those Directives?

No idea about losing but I currently do a lot of work helping companies to comply with 4 EU directives in particular, so it should be interesting...

In 2 cases they are basically the same as preceding UK regulation anyway, because despite what Leave suggested we actually have a strong say in what goes into them.

A consistent regulatory approach was really good for us doing business across Europe, so we'll probably have problems depending on how it plays out - it seems likely that we will try to keep access to the single market, which will mean we are subject to these directives anyway... So the only change then would be the new directives stop looking like existing UK regulation, which will just make costs of compliance higher.

surrey_commuter

joe2008 wrote:

"What I'm thrilled about actually is subliminally, almost unconsciously, the great British public have put their democratic freedom ahead of money and the establishment elite has had a kicking. Whether the establishment are trade unions or big business or ministers or Brussels or the markets - every one of them tried to frighten the living daylights out of Britain for about eight weeks. And the British public sort of quietly went about their business and went into a secret ballot box and said: 'Do you know what? I like electing my leaders - I don't like actually being told what to do by an unelected, unaccountable people, so I'm going to get out of that lot, and if it costs me a few bob for a couple of years so be it'. And I say well done to them." Digby Jones

There must be a more effective way of kicking the establishment elite than voting for The Boris.