BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Gosh, he seems terribly sensitive. Or is he a parody?
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rick_chasey said:
Yeah seems to have really bothered a certain type.
They can't be very confident in their 'victory' if a few people waving some flags around bothers them so much.0 -
Never has a group been more disappointed with their prize.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Easy to forget the die hards just hate the EU regardlessbriantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:Yeah seems to have really bothered a certain type.
They can't be very confident in their 'victory' if a few people waving some flags around bothers them so much.0 -
rick_chasey said:
Easy to forget the die hards just hate the EU regardlessbriantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:Yeah seems to have really bothered a certain type.
They can't be very confident in their 'victory' if a few people waving some flags around bothers them so much.
Yup. That's what it has been all the time.
As I've said before, if there's one positive about Brexit, it's that it's lanced that boil, and all that's left is whatever you might call Cheshire Cat EU hatred of the die hards. It's all that's left. Even the Express can't run a poll showing a majority in favour of continuing the farce. Even I didn't think the turnaround would be this quick.
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I can't remember which journalist tweeted it but the content has stuck with me (roughly), it was something like 'If the planet was reduced to rubble in a nuclear holocaust the first two things to emerge out of it would be cockroaches and Eurosceptic MP's still bitching about the EU'.rick_chasey said:
Easy to forget the die hards just hate the EU regardlessbriantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:Yeah seems to have really bothered a certain type.
They can't be very confident in their 'victory' if a few people waving some flags around bothers them so much.1 -
Having May set the course for the hardest of hard brexits and then have a PM who didn’t understand what a customs union was execute it, was beyond most catastrophic predictions made by the most fervent of remainders during the vote.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
Easy to forget the die hards just hate the EU regardlessbriantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:Yeah seems to have really bothered a certain type.
They can't be very confident in their 'victory' if a few people waving some flags around bothers them so much.
Yup. That's what it has been all the time.
As I've said before, if there's one positive about Brexit, it's that it's lanced that boil, and all that's left is whatever you might call Cheshire Cat EU hatred of the die hards. It's all that's left. Even the Express can't run a poll showing a majority in favour of continuing the farce. Even I didn't think the turnaround would be this quick.
Had they done it properly it’d be up for debate.0 -
Impossible not to conclude that David Frost is a fucking idiot
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Ta, thought it sounded like it, does seem a rather more sensible approach.Stevo_666 said:
From memory the VAT 'one stop shop' arrangement came in from 2021.veronese68 said:
I know it's irrelevant now, but when we were in the EU we had to be VAT registered in most EU countries and charge the local rate for the destination and then pay each country as we were selling over the threshold. I wonder if that's changed with a single VAT registration.TheBigBean said:Isn't it positive due to the single VAT registration for the whole of the EU? A bit like how the Euro makes going on holiday for Brits much easier.
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Did well for NI 😉tailwindhome said:Impossible not to conclude that David Frost is a censored idiot
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tailwindhome said:
Impossible not to conclude that David Frost is a censored idiot
I think that was always part of the plan and why I called him Wrecker Frost: his job was to break things, in the same way Trump was being used (and might be again) to break the institutions of the US to pave the way for a bit of a free-for-all.
It perhaps is to our fortune that the EU saw the risks and didn't let the wreckers get their way. Well, not as far as they wanted, anyway.0 -
Maybe we should try following suit and shut down Westminster. 😉rick_chasey said:
Did well for NI 😉tailwindhome said:Impossible not to conclude that David Frost is a censored idiot
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
rick_chasey said:
Having May set the course for the hardest of hard brexits and then have a PM who didn’t understand what a customs union was execute it, was beyond most catastrophic predictions made by the most fervent of remainders during the vote.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
Easy to forget the die hards just hate the EU regardlessbriantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:Yeah seems to have really bothered a certain type.
They can't be very confident in their 'victory' if a few people waving some flags around bothers them so much.
Yup. That's what it has been all the time.
As I've said before, if there's one positive about Brexit, it's that it's lanced that boil, and all that's left is whatever you might call Cheshire Cat EU hatred of the die hards. It's all that's left. Even the Express can't run a poll showing a majority in favour of continuing the farce. Even I didn't think the turnaround would be this quick.
Had they done it properly it’d be up for debate.
What do you mean by 'properly'?
If we look back at about p3 of this marathon thread, the impossibility of squaring the circle of NI/Ireland was identified by the good folk of CS an unsolvable conundrum, short of handing NI over to Ireland unilaterally and reneging on international agreements. Not that that would have stopped Johnson, if he thought it would keep him as PM... And the financial implications would have been more than a little interesting, with no transition period.0 -
IIRC the Norway model.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
Having May set the course for the hardest of hard brexits and then have a PM who didn’t understand what a customs union was execute it, was beyond most catastrophic predictions made by the most fervent of remainders during the vote.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
Easy to forget the die hards just hate the EU regardlessbriantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:Yeah seems to have really bothered a certain type.
They can't be very confident in their 'victory' if a few people waving some flags around bothers them so much.
Yup. That's what it has been all the time.
As I've said before, if there's one positive about Brexit, it's that it's lanced that boil, and all that's left is whatever you might call Cheshire Cat EU hatred of the die hards. It's all that's left. Even the Express can't run a poll showing a majority in favour of continuing the farce. Even I didn't think the turnaround would be this quick.
Had they done it properly it’d be up for debate.
What do you mean by 'properly'?
If we look back at about p3 of this marathon thread, the impossibility of squaring the circle of NI/Ireland was identified by the good folk of CS an unsolvable conundrum, short of handing NI over to Ireland unilaterally and reneging on international agreements. Not that that would have stopped Johnson, if he thought it would keep him as PM... And the financial implications would have been more than a little interesting, with no transition period.
I’ve said if dozens of times on here.
Satisfies the result, reflects the narrow victory, leaves room for well measured divergence yadayada0 -
Watching the Laura K documentary
41 mins in.
We're up to the Chequers aftermath.
Neither NI nor Ireland have been mentioned.
Edit...not mentioned at all.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
The thing about the Norway model is that it doesn't solve the land border issue as the Norway model doesn't include a customs union and doesn't remove the need for infrastructurerick_chasey said:
IIRC the Norway model.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
Having May set the course for the hardest of hard brexits and then have a PM who didn’t understand what a customs union was execute it, was beyond most catastrophic predictions made by the most fervent of remainders during the vote.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
Easy to forget the die hards just hate the EU regardlessbriantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:Yeah seems to have really bothered a certain type.
They can't be very confident in their 'victory' if a few people waving some flags around bothers them so much.
Yup. That's what it has been all the time.
As I've said before, if there's one positive about Brexit, it's that it's lanced that boil, and all that's left is whatever you might call Cheshire Cat EU hatred of the die hards. It's all that's left. Even the Express can't run a poll showing a majority in favour of continuing the farce. Even I didn't think the turnaround would be this quick.
Had they done it properly it’d be up for debate.
What do you mean by 'properly'?
If we look back at about p3 of this marathon thread, the impossibility of squaring the circle of NI/Ireland was identified by the good folk of CS an unsolvable conundrum, short of handing NI over to Ireland unilaterally and reneging on international agreements. Not that that would have stopped Johnson, if he thought it would keep him as PM... And the financial implications would have been more than a little interesting, with no transition period.
I’ve said if dozens of times on here.
Satisfies the result, reflects the narrow victory, leaves room for well measured divergence yadayada
Please. Just Google Norway/ Sweden border
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1 -
Then chuck in the CU tootailwindhome said:
The thing about the Norway model is that it doesn't solve the land border issue as the Norway model doesn't include a customs union and doesn't remove the need for infrastructurerick_chasey said:
IIRC the Norway model.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
Having May set the course for the hardest of hard brexits and then have a PM who didn’t understand what a customs union was execute it, was beyond most catastrophic predictions made by the most fervent of remainders during the vote.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
Easy to forget the die hards just hate the EU regardlessbriantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:Yeah seems to have really bothered a certain type.
They can't be very confident in their 'victory' if a few people waving some flags around bothers them so much.
Yup. That's what it has been all the time.
As I've said before, if there's one positive about Brexit, it's that it's lanced that boil, and all that's left is whatever you might call Cheshire Cat EU hatred of the die hards. It's all that's left. Even the Express can't run a poll showing a majority in favour of continuing the farce. Even I didn't think the turnaround would be this quick.
Had they done it properly it’d be up for debate.
What do you mean by 'properly'?
If we look back at about p3 of this marathon thread, the impossibility of squaring the circle of NI/Ireland was identified by the good folk of CS an unsolvable conundrum, short of handing NI over to Ireland unilaterally and reneging on international agreements. Not that that would have stopped Johnson, if he thought it would keep him as PM... And the financial implications would have been more than a little interesting, with no transition period.
I’ve said if dozens of times on here.
Satisfies the result, reflects the narrow victory, leaves room for well measured divergence yadayada
Please. Just Google Norway/ Sweden border0 -
Can't help but notice the EU was able to strong arm apple into making the new iphone use the standard USB-C port.0
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I find that debate odd as they are interchangeable anyway. If anything Apple has been forced to downgrade a connection unnecessarily.rick_chasey said:Can't help but notice the EU was able to strong arm apple into making the new iphone use the standard USB-C port.
"Thunderbolt 3 and Thunderbolt 4 ports look exactly the same as USB-C ports, and indeed their connectors are physically identical. For the most part, they can do everything a USB-C port can, except faster. Indeed, Thunderbolt is a superset of USB-C; you can plug a USB-C device into a Thunderbolt 3 or 4 port on a PC and it'll work just fine."The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Isn't the issue at the other end connecting into the device?pblakeney said:
I find that debate odd as they are interchangeable anyway. If anything Apple has been forced to downgrade a connection unnecessarily.rick_chasey said:Can't help but notice the EU was able to strong arm apple into making the new iphone use the standard USB-C port.
"Thunderbolt 3 and Thunderbolt 4 ports look exactly the same as USB-C ports, and indeed their connectors are physically identical. For the most part, they can do everything a USB-C port can, except faster. Indeed, Thunderbolt is a superset of USB-C; you can plug a USB-C device into a Thunderbolt 3 or 4 port on a PC and it'll work just fine."0 -
Not that I've seen. I've connected USB-C kit to my MacBook using a single cable, either the Apple one, or the USB-C. Key part is USB-C, not the older versions.Pross said:
Isn't the issue at the other end connecting into the device?pblakeney said:
I find that debate odd as they are interchangeable anyway. If anything Apple has been forced to downgrade a connection unnecessarily.rick_chasey said:Can't help but notice the EU was able to strong arm apple into making the new iphone use the standard USB-C port.
"Thunderbolt 3 and Thunderbolt 4 ports look exactly the same as USB-C ports, and indeed their connectors are physically identical. For the most part, they can do everything a USB-C port can, except faster. Indeed, Thunderbolt is a superset of USB-C; you can plug a USB-C device into a Thunderbolt 3 or 4 port on a PC and it'll work just fine."The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
The cable supplied with my iPhone is a USB-C on the power supply (laptop) end but has a lightning connection at the other end that only works with (some) Apple products whereas my previous Samsung was USB-C to USB-C and works with most other modern devices so I assumed that was the issue the EU were trying to resolve.pblakeney said:
Not that I've seen. I've connected USB-C kit to my MacBook using a single cable, either the Apple one, or the USB-C. Key part is USB-C, not the older versions.Pross said:
Isn't the issue at the other end connecting into the device?pblakeney said:
I find that debate odd as they are interchangeable anyway. If anything Apple has been forced to downgrade a connection unnecessarily.rick_chasey said:Can't help but notice the EU was able to strong arm apple into making the new iphone use the standard USB-C port.
"Thunderbolt 3 and Thunderbolt 4 ports look exactly the same as USB-C ports, and indeed their connectors are physically identical. For the most part, they can do everything a USB-C port can, except faster. Indeed, Thunderbolt is a superset of USB-C; you can plug a USB-C device into a Thunderbolt 3 or 4 port on a PC and it'll work just fine."
Apple have always gone their own way with connections, I'm pretty sure the early iPhones didn't use the (then) standard headphone jacks. They may well be better technology but standardisation does make sense and I doubt they're prepared to let others use their standard.0 -
Of all the ways they could meaningfully try to regulate big tech companies, they've gone with the one that stifles innovation. Will they now regulate bottom brackets on bikes?rick_chasey said:Can't help but notice the EU was able to strong arm apple into making the new iphone use the standard USB-C port.
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I hope so, 'innovation' in that department has been shitTheBigBean said:
Of all the ways they could meaningfully try to regulate big tech companies, they've gone with the one that stifles innovation. Will they now regulate bottom brackets on bikes?rick_chasey said:Can't help but notice the EU was able to strong arm apple into making the new iphone use the standard USB-C port.
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Ah, you've hit on the key part which I missed 🤬. iPhones use a smaller than USB-C/Lightning connection. I assume the next gen will be Lightning which as above is compatible with USB-C. It's just spite if they are not allowed to use Lightning as it is better.Pross said:
The cable supplied with my iPhone is a USB-C on the power supply (laptop) end but has a lightning connection at the other end that only works with (some) Apple products whereas my previous Samsung was USB-C to USB-C and works with most other modern devices so I assumed that was the issue the EU were trying to resolve.pblakeney said:
Not that I've seen. I've connected USB-C kit to my MacBook using a single cable, either the Apple one, or the USB-C. Key part is USB-C, not the older versions.Pross said:
Isn't the issue at the other end connecting into the device?pblakeney said:
I find that debate odd as they are interchangeable anyway. If anything Apple has been forced to downgrade a connection unnecessarily.rick_chasey said:Can't help but notice the EU was able to strong arm apple into making the new iphone use the standard USB-C port.
"Thunderbolt 3 and Thunderbolt 4 ports look exactly the same as USB-C ports, and indeed their connectors are physically identical. For the most part, they can do everything a USB-C port can, except faster. Indeed, Thunderbolt is a superset of USB-C; you can plug a USB-C device into a Thunderbolt 3 or 4 port on a PC and it'll work just fine."
Apple have always gone their own way with connections, I'm pretty sure the early iPhones didn't use the (then) standard headphone jacks. They may well be better technology but standardisation does make sense and I doubt they're prepared to let others use their standard.
The headphone connection issue was a mistake in that it occurred too early for wireless headphones in the general public. Imo.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I don't like all the different sizing, press fit etc. but I think my latest Shimano one which fits a 68mm thread is much better than square taper, so that is progress. The EU should pass a law that all bikes should have 68mm threaded BBs.Pross said:
I hope so, 'innovation' in that department has been censoredTheBigBean said:
Of all the ways they could meaningfully try to regulate big tech companies, they've gone with the one that stifles innovation. Will they now regulate bottom brackets on bikes?rick_chasey said:Can't help but notice the EU was able to strong arm apple into making the new iphone use the standard USB-C port.
Also, all phones should have 3.5mm headphone jack.
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I thought the rule was that the device needed to have a USB-C charging end to fit a universal charger. Which MacBooks do. iPhones didn't, presumably because the Lightning end is smaller, allowing the device to be.pblakeney said:
Ah, you've hit on the key part which I missed 🤬. iPhones use a smaller than USB-C/Lightning connection. I assume the next gen will be Lightning which as above is compatible with USB-C. It's just spite if they are not allowed to use Lightning as it is better.Pross said:
The cable supplied with my iPhone is a USB-C on the power supply (laptop) end but has a lightning connection at the other end that only works with (some) Apple products whereas my previous Samsung was USB-C to USB-C and works with most other modern devices so I assumed that was the issue the EU were trying to resolve.pblakeney said:
Not that I've seen. I've connected USB-C kit to my MacBook using a single cable, either the Apple one, or the USB-C. Key part is USB-C, not the older versions.Pross said:
Isn't the issue at the other end connecting into the device?pblakeney said:
I find that debate odd as they are interchangeable anyway. If anything Apple has been forced to downgrade a connection unnecessarily.rick_chasey said:Can't help but notice the EU was able to strong arm apple into making the new iphone use the standard USB-C port.
"Thunderbolt 3 and Thunderbolt 4 ports look exactly the same as USB-C ports, and indeed their connectors are physically identical. For the most part, they can do everything a USB-C port can, except faster. Indeed, Thunderbolt is a superset of USB-C; you can plug a USB-C device into a Thunderbolt 3 or 4 port on a PC and it'll work just fine."
Apple have always gone their own way with connections, I'm pretty sure the early iPhones didn't use the (then) standard headphone jacks. They may well be better technology but standardisation does make sense and I doubt they're prepared to let others use their standard.
The headphone connection issue was a mistake in that it occurred too early for wireless headphones in the general public. Imo.
There is no downgrade in transfer speeds, otherwise they would use Lightning on MacBooks where you are more likely to need it.
Any "stifling Innovation" comments from Apple here are b******0 -
USB-C is 20 Gb/sec, Thunderbolt is 40 Gb/sec. They do use Lightning on MacBooks.super_davo said:
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Any "stifling Innovation" comments from Apple here are b******
Quite useful if you are processing high quality video. Less so for the general public but...
Edit - USB4 catches up to Thunderbolt at which point there is convergence.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It’s more a comment on the clout. Imagine being at the table to have a say over how to use the clout. A veto even.TheBigBean said:
Of all the ways they could meaningfully try to regulate big tech companies, they've gone with the one that stifles innovation. Will they now regulate bottom brackets on bikes?rick_chasey said:Can't help but notice the EU was able to strong arm apple into making the new iphone use the standard USB-C port.
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