BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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It has aspirations to be like a real country.wallace_and_gromit said:
True enough. Given those limitations, one wonders why it needs five Presidents and a Parliament.rick_chasey said:
That's because, despite EU basher rhetoric, the EU is not really a well rounded geopolitical power; it's an economic power, or more accurately, an extremely powerful market...wallace_and_gromit said:
That's true, but it's very telling that the "Great EU Power Flex" is over phone chargers rather than anything of even vague geopolitical significance.rick_chasey said:That the EU could force them to adopt something so fundamental to the product shows the power of the EU...
More interesting to me is that Apple has apparently gone for USBC charging on its iPhones worldwide now, rather than just to comply with the EU."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Have they increased since 2016?0
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For this to become a reality, all member states will have to surrender their vetoes. Then Skynet (aka The Commission without the constraints of an off switch) will do what Skynet does. There will doubtless be a film about in the future with the Terminator and Sarah Connor roles replaced by Boris and Mad Nad.Stevo_666 said:
It has aspirations to be like a real country.wallace_and_gromit said:
True enough. Given those limitations, one wonders why it needs five Presidents and a Parliament.rick_chasey said:
That's because, despite EU basher rhetoric, the EU is not really a well rounded geopolitical power; it's an economic power, or more accurately, an extremely powerful market...wallace_and_gromit said:
That's true, but it's very telling that the "Great EU Power Flex" is over phone chargers rather than anything of even vague geopolitical significance.rick_chasey said:That the EU could force them to adopt something so fundamental to the product shows the power of the EU...
More interesting to me is that Apple has apparently gone for USBC charging on its iPhones worldwide now, rather than just to comply with the EU.
The potential saving grace is that Skynet only became dangerous when it became self aware. As politicians have no self awareness, becoming self aware may be a step too far for The Commission.0 -
I-I-I-I'd very much like your apparel, and... err... in fact your motorbicycle as well.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Surely Boris would be John Connor, leader of the human resistance. Von der Leyen could be ice cold cyborg sent back from the future to terminate him and remove all traces of Brexit from history. Mad Nad could be Sarah Connor, Farage could be Kyle Reese sent back to save her and Juncker would be the old drunk in the alleyway whose pants Kyle Reese nickswallace_and_gromit said:
For this to become a reality, all member states will have to surrender their vetoes. Then Skynet (aka The Commission without the constraints of an off switch) will do what Skynet does. There will doubtless be a film about in the future with the Terminator and Sarah Connor roles replaced by Boris and Mad Nad.Stevo_666 said:
It has aspirations to be like a real country.wallace_and_gromit said:
True enough. Given those limitations, one wonders why it needs five Presidents and a Parliament.rick_chasey said:
That's because, despite EU basher rhetoric, the EU is not really a well rounded geopolitical power; it's an economic power, or more accurately, an extremely powerful market...wallace_and_gromit said:
That's true, but it's very telling that the "Great EU Power Flex" is over phone chargers rather than anything of even vague geopolitical significance.rick_chasey said:That the EU could force them to adopt something so fundamental to the product shows the power of the EU...
More interesting to me is that Apple has apparently gone for USBC charging on its iPhones worldwide now, rather than just to comply with the EU.
The potential saving grace is that Skynet only became dangerous when it became self aware. As politicians have no self awareness, becoming self aware may be a step too far for The Commission.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
I assumed that paying more to be different was a badge of honour for Apple users.kingstongraham said:I don't get it either.
If iPhone users have usbc lying around for all their other devices, and usbc is everywhere, market forces should determine that apple goes to usbc anyway.
Who wants a phone that you have to carry your own specific charger for?1 -
work got in the wayTheBigBean said:@surrey_commuter Are you ignoring this thread?
will be bored again tomorrow so keep going0 -
Didn't Kyle Reese shag someone he was working with, get her pregnant then leave her with the kid? That sounds more like Boris.Stevo_666 said:
Surely Boris would be John Connor, leader of the human resistance. Von der Leyen could be ice cold cyborg sent back from the future to terminate him and remove all traces of Brexit from history. Mad Nad could be Sarah Connor, Farage could be Kyle Reese sent back to save her and Juncker would be the old drunk in the alleyway whose pants Kyle Reese nickswallace_and_gromit said:
For this to become a reality, all member states will have to surrender their vetoes. Then Skynet (aka The Commission without the constraints of an off switch) will do what Skynet does. There will doubtless be a film about in the future with the Terminator and Sarah Connor roles replaced by Boris and Mad Nad.Stevo_666 said:
It has aspirations to be like a real country.wallace_and_gromit said:
True enough. Given those limitations, one wonders why it needs five Presidents and a Parliament.rick_chasey said:
That's because, despite EU basher rhetoric, the EU is not really a well rounded geopolitical power; it's an economic power, or more accurately, an extremely powerful market...wallace_and_gromit said:
That's true, but it's very telling that the "Great EU Power Flex" is over phone chargers rather than anything of even vague geopolitical significance.rick_chasey said:That the EU could force them to adopt something so fundamental to the product shows the power of the EU...
More interesting to me is that Apple has apparently gone for USBC charging on its iPhones worldwide now, rather than just to comply with the EU.
The potential saving grace is that Skynet only became dangerous when it became self aware. As politicians have no self awareness, becoming self aware may be a step too far for The Commission.1 -
Doesn't John Connor win?Stevo_666 said:
Surely Boris would be John Connor, leader of the human resistance. Von der Leyen could be ice cold cyborg sent back from the future to terminate him and remove all traces of Brexit from history. Mad Nad could be Sarah Connor, Farage could be Kyle Reese sent back to save her and Juncker would be the old drunk in the alleyway whose pants Kyle Reese nickswallace_and_gromit said:
For this to become a reality, all member states will have to surrender their vetoes. Then Skynet (aka The Commission without the constraints of an off switch) will do what Skynet does. There will doubtless be a film about in the future with the Terminator and Sarah Connor roles replaced by Boris and Mad Nad.Stevo_666 said:
It has aspirations to be like a real country.wallace_and_gromit said:
True enough. Given those limitations, one wonders why it needs five Presidents and a Parliament.rick_chasey said:
That's because, despite EU basher rhetoric, the EU is not really a well rounded geopolitical power; it's an economic power, or more accurately, an extremely powerful market...wallace_and_gromit said:
That's true, but it's very telling that the "Great EU Power Flex" is over phone chargers rather than anything of even vague geopolitical significance.rick_chasey said:That the EU could force them to adopt something so fundamental to the product shows the power of the EU...
More interesting to me is that Apple has apparently gone for USBC charging on its iPhones worldwide now, rather than just to comply with the EU.
The potential saving grace is that Skynet only became dangerous when it became self aware. As politicians have no self awareness, becoming self aware may be a step too far for The Commission.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
I'm not even the free market puritan that you are, but I've been driven to madness.surrey_commuter said:
work got in the wayTheBigBean said:@surrey_commuter Are you ignoring this thread?
will be bored again tomorrow so keep going0 -
He got Brexit done, so yesrjsterry said:
Doesn't John Connor win?Stevo_666 said:
Surely Boris would be John Connor, leader of the human resistance. Von der Leyen could be ice cold cyborg sent back from the future to terminate him and remove all traces of Brexit from history. Mad Nad could be Sarah Connor, Farage could be Kyle Reese sent back to save her and Juncker would be the old drunk in the alleyway whose pants Kyle Reese nickswallace_and_gromit said:
For this to become a reality, all member states will have to surrender their vetoes. Then Skynet (aka The Commission without the constraints of an off switch) will do what Skynet does. There will doubtless be a film about in the future with the Terminator and Sarah Connor roles replaced by Boris and Mad Nad.Stevo_666 said:
It has aspirations to be like a real country.wallace_and_gromit said:
True enough. Given those limitations, one wonders why it needs five Presidents and a Parliament.rick_chasey said:
That's because, despite EU basher rhetoric, the EU is not really a well rounded geopolitical power; it's an economic power, or more accurately, an extremely powerful market...wallace_and_gromit said:
That's true, but it's very telling that the "Great EU Power Flex" is over phone chargers rather than anything of even vague geopolitical significance.rick_chasey said:That the EU could force them to adopt something so fundamental to the product shows the power of the EU...
More interesting to me is that Apple has apparently gone for USBC charging on its iPhones worldwide now, rather than just to comply with the EU.
The potential saving grace is that Skynet only became dangerous when it became self aware. As politicians have no self awareness, becoming self aware may be a step too far for The Commission.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I suppose you could have cast Jezza and Diane but they're too pacifist.kingstongraham said:
Didn't Kyle Reese shag someone he was working with, get her pregnant then leave her with the kid? That sounds more like Boris.Stevo_666 said:
Surely Boris would be John Connor, leader of the human resistance. Von der Leyen could be ice cold cyborg sent back from the future to terminate him and remove all traces of Brexit from history. Mad Nad could be Sarah Connor, Farage could be Kyle Reese sent back to save her and Juncker would be the old drunk in the alleyway whose pants Kyle Reese nickswallace_and_gromit said:
For this to become a reality, all member states will have to surrender their vetoes. Then Skynet (aka The Commission without the constraints of an off switch) will do what Skynet does. There will doubtless be a film about in the future with the Terminator and Sarah Connor roles replaced by Boris and Mad Nad.Stevo_666 said:
It has aspirations to be like a real country.wallace_and_gromit said:
True enough. Given those limitations, one wonders why it needs five Presidents and a Parliament.rick_chasey said:
That's because, despite EU basher rhetoric, the EU is not really a well rounded geopolitical power; it's an economic power, or more accurately, an extremely powerful market...wallace_and_gromit said:
That's true, but it's very telling that the "Great EU Power Flex" is over phone chargers rather than anything of even vague geopolitical significance.rick_chasey said:That the EU could force them to adopt something so fundamental to the product shows the power of the EU...
More interesting to me is that Apple has apparently gone for USBC charging on its iPhones worldwide now, rather than just to comply with the EU.
The potential saving grace is that Skynet only became dangerous when it became self aware. As politicians have no self awareness, becoming self aware may be a step too far for The Commission."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Think that was May. At any point after that it was just a question of how we left. Excellent PR to convince people that it's something he did, though.Stevo_666 said:
He got Brexit done, so yesrjsterry said:
Doesn't John Connor win?Stevo_666 said:
Surely Boris would be John Connor, leader of the human resistance. Von der Leyen could be ice cold cyborg sent back from the future to terminate him and remove all traces of Brexit from history. Mad Nad could be Sarah Connor, Farage could be Kyle Reese sent back to save her and Juncker would be the old drunk in the alleyway whose pants Kyle Reese nickswallace_and_gromit said:
For this to become a reality, all member states will have to surrender their vetoes. Then Skynet (aka The Commission without the constraints of an off switch) will do what Skynet does. There will doubtless be a film about in the future with the Terminator and Sarah Connor roles replaced by Boris and Mad Nad.Stevo_666 said:
It has aspirations to be like a real country.wallace_and_gromit said:
True enough. Given those limitations, one wonders why it needs five Presidents and a Parliament.rick_chasey said:
That's because, despite EU basher rhetoric, the EU is not really a well rounded geopolitical power; it's an economic power, or more accurately, an extremely powerful market...wallace_and_gromit said:
That's true, but it's very telling that the "Great EU Power Flex" is over phone chargers rather than anything of even vague geopolitical significance.rick_chasey said:That the EU could force them to adopt something so fundamental to the product shows the power of the EU...
More interesting to me is that Apple has apparently gone for USBC charging on its iPhones worldwide now, rather than just to comply with the EU.
The potential saving grace is that Skynet only became dangerous when it became self aware. As politicians have no self awareness, becoming self aware may be a step too far for The Commission.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
As with Ken’s bikes and the olympicsrjsterry said:
Think that was May. At any point after that it was just a question of how we left. Excellent PR to convince people that it's something he did, though.Stevo_666 said:
He got Brexit done, so yesrjsterry said:
Doesn't John Connor win?Stevo_666 said:
Surely Boris would be John Connor, leader of the human resistance. Von der Leyen could be ice cold cyborg sent back from the future to terminate him and remove all traces of Brexit from history. Mad Nad could be Sarah Connor, Farage could be Kyle Reese sent back to save her and Juncker would be the old drunk in the alleyway whose pants Kyle Reese nickswallace_and_gromit said:
For this to become a reality, all member states will have to surrender their vetoes. Then Skynet (aka The Commission without the constraints of an off switch) will do what Skynet does. There will doubtless be a film about in the future with the Terminator and Sarah Connor roles replaced by Boris and Mad Nad.Stevo_666 said:
It has aspirations to be like a real country.wallace_and_gromit said:
True enough. Given those limitations, one wonders why it needs five Presidents and a Parliament.rick_chasey said:
That's because, despite EU basher rhetoric, the EU is not really a well rounded geopolitical power; it's an economic power, or more accurately, an extremely powerful market...wallace_and_gromit said:
That's true, but it's very telling that the "Great EU Power Flex" is over phone chargers rather than anything of even vague geopolitical significance.rick_chasey said:That the EU could force them to adopt something so fundamental to the product shows the power of the EU...
More interesting to me is that Apple has apparently gone for USBC charging on its iPhones worldwide now, rather than just to comply with the EU.
The potential saving grace is that Skynet only became dangerous when it became self aware. As politicians have no self awareness, becoming self aware may be a step too far for The Commission.0 -
And the Garden Bri...surrey_commuter said:
As with Ken’s bikes and the olympicsrjsterry said:
Think that was May. At any point after that it was just a question of how we left. Excellent PR to convince people that it's something he did, though.Stevo_666 said:
He got Brexit done, so yesrjsterry said:
Doesn't John Connor win?Stevo_666 said:
Surely Boris would be John Connor, leader of the human resistance. Von der Leyen could be ice cold cyborg sent back from the future to terminate him and remove all traces of Brexit from history. Mad Nad could be Sarah Connor, Farage could be Kyle Reese sent back to save her and Juncker would be the old drunk in the alleyway whose pants Kyle Reese nickswallace_and_gromit said:
For this to become a reality, all member states will have to surrender their vetoes. Then Skynet (aka The Commission without the constraints of an off switch) will do what Skynet does. There will doubtless be a film about in the future with the Terminator and Sarah Connor roles replaced by Boris and Mad Nad.Stevo_666 said:
It has aspirations to be like a real country.wallace_and_gromit said:
True enough. Given those limitations, one wonders why it needs five Presidents and a Parliament.rick_chasey said:
That's because, despite EU basher rhetoric, the EU is not really a well rounded geopolitical power; it's an economic power, or more accurately, an extremely powerful market...wallace_and_gromit said:
That's true, but it's very telling that the "Great EU Power Flex" is over phone chargers rather than anything of even vague geopolitical significance.rick_chasey said:That the EU could force them to adopt something so fundamental to the product shows the power of the EU...
More interesting to me is that Apple has apparently gone for USBC charging on its iPhones worldwide now, rather than just to comply with the EU.
The potential saving grace is that Skynet only became dangerous when it became self aware. As politicians have no self awareness, becoming self aware may be a step too far for The Commission.
Oh no, sorry, that was a ridiculous vanity project he spunked a load of money on, offered little benefit to anyone and most Londoners were opposed to.0 -
Frost starting to realise that gravity is a thing.
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His trajectory never fails to amaze me.
From this: https://scotchwhisky.com/magazine/opinion-debate/the-debate/9558/would-leaving-the-eu-boost-scotch-whisky/
Via this: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/30/dont-panic-heres-how-brexit-can-make-britain-can-be-a-great-trad/
To now. The brazenness of it is something to behold.0 -
He could really benefit from the old 'better to remain silent and be thought a fool' quote.1
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Pross said:
He could really benefit from the old 'better to remain silent and be thought a fool' quote.
More Dunning-Krugerism.
I start to wonder if principled, intelligent people just steer clear of politics now because they'd be surrounded by people with neither of those qualities.0 -
No money in that.Pross said:He could really benefit from the old 'better to remain silent and be thought a fool' quote.
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Chinese electric cars will reduce UK emissions but what about rivals here? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66820791
What’s everyone’s view on this? Tariffs as per EU?0 -
There will be times when the three big global powers don't align. The pragmatic thing to do would be to avoid taking sides on the issue for as long as it is possible to, and when that avenue is exhausted, align to the one that you do the most business with, or you expect to do the most business with in the future. You've got to expect that on most things that will be the EU.skyblueamateur said:Chinese electric cars will reduce UK emissions but what about rivals here? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66820791
What’s everyone’s view on this? Tariffs as per EU?
I'm not sure on electric cars though; China does seem to have the jump on the market, at the lower end certainly.
As a small player we'll always be a follower rather than a leader, but I suppose the "Brexit benefit" here is that we can choose to follow China or the US for some things, if we don't like the EUs stance. Obviously this ignores the fact that whilst in the EU, we were able to influence the EU stance.
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I’m not sure China has the jump on others. European and US manufacturers seem to concentrated their efforts on EVs being at the large / luxury end of the market and largely ignored trying to get something for those on lower budgets or wanting a small city car.0
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If the UK is happy to have cheap electric cars on its streets, then it doesn't have a lot to do with the EU. It's a Brexit upside.0
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The CMA seems to have done a decent job of defending the free market.
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In other news, the Brexit deal can't be altered to benefit car manufacturers both sides of the channel. The EU needs
autarkyeconomic self-sufficiency and independence
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/sep/22/we-cant-alter-brexit-deal-to-appease-car-industry-says-european-commissioner0 -
Is realpolitk really beyond you? The rationale is obvious.TheBigBean said:In other news, the Brexit deal can't be altered to benefit car manufacturers both sides of the channel. The EU needs
autarkyeconomic self-sufficiency and independence
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/sep/22/we-cant-alter-brexit-deal-to-appease-car-industry-says-european-commissioner0 -
Explain it to me. They want more locally produced batteries. Yet, everyone who is trying to do that says they need more time.rick_chasey said:
Is realpolitk really beyond you? The rationale is obvious.TheBigBean said:In other news, the Brexit deal can't be altered to benefit car manufacturers both sides of the channel. The EU needs
autarkyeconomic self-sufficiency and independence
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/sep/22/we-cant-alter-brexit-deal-to-appease-car-industry-says-european-commissioner0 -
There is a schedule to Britain/EU trade agreements. The deal struck is up for review in 2025.TheBigBean said:
Explain it to me. They want more locally produced batteries. Yet, everyone who is trying to do that says they need more time.rick_chasey said:
Is realpolitk really beyond you? The rationale is obvious.TheBigBean said:In other news, the Brexit deal can't be altered to benefit car manufacturers both sides of the channel. The EU needs
autarkyeconomic self-sufficiency and independence
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/sep/22/we-cant-alter-brexit-deal-to-appease-car-industry-says-european-commissioner
t is incredibly difficult to get all 27 countries to sign up to stuff in general, so it makes a lot of sense to stick to said schedule. Especially when, as they point out "the commission and EU leaders are bound under competition laws to look at the entire automotive “ecosystem” and not favour one “category” in the industry over the other."
What's the point of having a schedule if you're not gonna stick to it? UK signed up to this in 2020 and is stuck with it to 2025.
EU is a rules based organisation because it has to be; marshalling 27 nation states is not easy. So you can't just flex because you fancy it. That's not how they operate.
Especially when you consider that the EU has lots of leverage over the negotiations, especially once you bring their scale and clout into it, so it also makes sense from that perspective not to open negotiations up on a narrow basis where the EU is unable to bring its full leverage to bare.
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