BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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How do they get the documents to...live here though...
https://getintoteaching.education.gov.uk/non-uk-teachers/fees-and-funding-for-non-uk-traineesWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Apart from all the money people have wasted getting their products certified to a redundant standard.wallace_and_gromit said:
Fair point. The sad saga of the standards regime is a failure of the Brexiteers. Thankfully in this case, real world practicalities prevented the Brexiteers from doing too much harm with their stupidity.Stevo_666 said:
He asked me whether I thought it was a Brexit failure. You're making a different point.wallace_and_gromit said:
The issue isn’t a the standard chosen now. It is that the muppets in charge genuinely thought a dual standards scheme was viable and forced industry to waste many man hours and £ complying, having been advised by many experts that a dual scheme was doomed before bowing to the inevitable.Stevo_666 said:
Not sure but not that significant in the scheme of things as far as I'm concerned. Surely going back to CE is a positive thing from your point of view?skyblueamateur said:
I would agree that there has been a tendency to blame anything and everything on Brexit which isn’t helpful, there has also been insightful regarding the issues that have arisen from Brexit, your own being included in that.Stevo_666 said:
Who else exactly is making salient points about Brexit in this thread that isn't a complete rehash of stuff debated to death or the 'ooh, we've found a problem that we can try to blame on Brexit, let's rejoin to solve it' approach?skyblueamateur said:😂😂😂
Nobody thinks signing up to CE as a Brexit failure. I’ve been banging on about it for the last million pages. Pretending we were going to create our own UKCA standard and getting business’ to spaff a load of money on it before accepting the inevitable is the failure or would you disagree?
You used to make salient points regarding Brexit, now you just regurgitate Telegraph nonsense that I don’t think you even believe in. It’s a shame as you used to be a useful counter point.
I’ve always tried to be pragmatic but will always call out nonsense policy regardless of which side of the fence I sit.
It is a discussion board though?
You didn’t answer my question on wether you thought UKCA was a Brexit failure btw 👍
“Poor judgement” is the death knell of many politicians, and with good reason.
But for the avoidance of doubt, there is nothing good about this in terms of Brexit / Brexiteer credibility.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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The midas touch
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That's not the point I'm making. Go read the review in the link.rick_chasey said:
You genuinely think governance had been good since Brexit?Stevo_666 said:
You should read that book that I linked to above - wonderful bit of confirmation bias.rick_chasey said:Irony of course is the steadfast belief in superior British governance has taken an absolute battering largely as a result of Brexit.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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Have a read and let me know what you think first.rick_chasey said:Either it's biased or it's accurate. Which is it?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I'm not keeping up... is it OK to call some Brexit voters really stupid?
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Stupidity is well distributed. Those sort of articles are aimed at the remain voting equivalents.briantrumpet said:I'm not keeping up... is it OK to call some Brexit voters really stupid?
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I hope you're not implying that Brian is a thickoTheBigBean said:
Stupidity is well distributed. Those sort of articles are aimed at the remain voting equivalents.briantrumpet said:I'm not keeping up... is it OK to call some Brexit voters really stupid?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I have found the easiest thing to do with these articles is assume the person they are written about is simply trolling their interviewer.briantrumpet said:I'm not keeping up... is it OK to call some Brexit voters really stupid?
LBC had a call in where they were looking for similar stories but also for remain voters who now felt we should stay out. As is generally to be expected with such call ins, no one came across well. Most leavers seemed to regret their vote for entirely foreseeable reasons. Whilst most remain voters now felt we should stay out to inflict some kind of righteous punishment on the country.0 -
An interesting development
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I love to see naive optimism sometimes.tailwindhome said:"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It's fine. We just never achieved escape velocity. 🙂Stevo_666 said:
I love to see naive optimism sometimes.tailwindhome said:1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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We did, it's just that the Imperial Battle Cruiser is still in pursuitrjsterry said:
It's fine. We just never achieved escape velocity. 🙂Stevo_666 said:
I love to see naive optimism sometimes.tailwindhome said:
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It’s good news we’ve rejoined 👍0
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"The delusion is strong in this one"
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
😄Stevo_666 said:
We did, it's just that the Imperial Battle Cruiser is still in pursuitrjsterry said:
It's fine. We just never achieved escape velocity. 🙂Stevo_666 said:
I love to see naive optimism sometimes.tailwindhome said:1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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It’s a good scheme. Would you rather we didn’t rejoin it?Stevo_666 said:"The delusion is strong in this one"
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I wonder is 'Starmer will rejoin' a dire warning of the cost of voting Labour, or naive optimism.
And does the selection of Hilary Benn (of the Benn Act) as Shadow SoSNI change this calculation?
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skyblueamateur said:
It’s a good scheme. Would you rather we didn’t rejoin it?Stevo_666 said:"The delusion is strong in this one"
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I'd be happy if we could just rejoin the single market and customs union but sadly we can't cherry pick if the EU are to be believed. So the ever closer political union, erosion of national decision making, adoption of the Euro etc make rejoining somewhat unappealing as a long term prospect. Clearly some of those things would have been different if we had never left, but we can't turn the clock back.skyblueamateur said:
It’s a good scheme. Would you rather we didn’t rejoin it?Stevo_666 said:"The delusion is strong in this one"
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
We can rejoin the SM and CU in the morning.Stevo_666 said:
I'd be happy if we could just rejoin the single market and customs union but sadly we can't cherry pick if the EU are to be believed. So the ever closer political union, erosion of national decision making, adoption of the Euro etc make rejoining somewhat unappealing as a long term prospect. Clearly some of those things would have been different if we had never left, but we can't turn the clock back.skyblueamateur said:
It’s a good scheme. Would you rather we didn’t rejoin it?Stevo_666 said:"The delusion is strong in this one"
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He's talking about the science programme not the EUStevo_666 said:
I'd be happy if we could just rejoin the single market and customs union but sadly we can't cherry pick if the EU are to be believed. So the ever closer political union, erosion of national decision making, adoption of the Euro etc make rejoining somewhat unappealing as a long term prospect. Clearly some of those things would have been different if we had never left, but we can't turn the clock back.skyblueamateur said:
It’s a good scheme. Would you rather we didn’t rejoin it?Stevo_666 said:"The delusion is strong in this one"
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In which case, not bothered either way.pangolin said:
He's talking about the science programme not the EUStevo_666 said:
I'd be happy if we could just rejoin the single market and customs union but sadly we can't cherry pick if the EU are to be believed. So the ever closer political union, erosion of national decision making, adoption of the Euro etc make rejoining somewhat unappealing as a long term prospect. Clearly some of those things would have been different if we had never left, but we can't turn the clock back.skyblueamateur said:
It’s a good scheme. Would you rather we didn’t rejoin it?Stevo_666 said:"The delusion is strong in this one"
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
How's that done? Without strings.tailwindhome said:
We can rejoin the SM and CU in the morning.Stevo_666 said:
I'd be happy if we could just rejoin the single market and customs union but sadly we can't cherry pick if the EU are to be believed. So the ever closer political union, erosion of national decision making, adoption of the Euro etc make rejoining somewhat unappealing as a long term prospect. Clearly some of those things would have been different if we had never left, but we can't turn the clock back.skyblueamateur said:
It’s a good scheme. Would you rather we didn’t rejoin it?Stevo_666 said:"The delusion is strong in this one"
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
One simply rejoins the Single MarketStevo_666 said:
How's that done? Without strings.tailwindhome said:
We can rejoin the SM and CU in the morning.Stevo_666 said:
I'd be happy if we could just rejoin the single market and customs union but sadly we can't cherry pick if the EU are to be believed. So the ever closer political union, erosion of national decision making, adoption of the Euro etc make rejoining somewhat unappealing as a long term prospect. Clearly some of those things would have been different if we had never left, but we can't turn the clock back.skyblueamateur said:
It’s a good scheme. Would you rather we didn’t rejoin it?Stevo_666 said:"The delusion is strong in this one"
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SM and CU membership were on Barnier’s famous chart mapping what’s available against “red lines”. The UK’s redlines of “no ECJ” and no “FoM” both individually ruled out SM membership and a desire to follow an independent trade policy ruled out CU membership.tailwindhome said:
One simply rejoins the Single MarketStevo_666 said:
How's that done? Without strings.tailwindhome said:
We can rejoin the SM and CU in the morning.Stevo_666 said:
I'd be happy if we could just rejoin the single market and customs union but sadly we can't cherry pick if the EU are to be believed. So the ever closer political union, erosion of national decision making, adoption of the Euro etc make rejoining somewhat unappealing as a long term prospect. Clearly some of those things would have been different if we had never left, but we can't turn the clock back.skyblueamateur said:
It’s a good scheme. Would you rather we didn’t rejoin it?Stevo_666 said:"The delusion is strong in this one"
What was never on offer was a “mix and match” approach ie only a U.K. picked selection of features applying.
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If there was FoM would anyone even notice?wallace_and_gromit said:
SM and CU membership were on Barnier’s famous chart mapping what’s available against “red lines”. The UK’s redlines of “no ECJ” and no “FoM” both individually ruled out SM membership and a desire to follow an independent trade policy ruled out CU membership.tailwindhome said:
One simply rejoins the Single MarketStevo_666 said:
How's that done? Without strings.tailwindhome said:
We can rejoin the SM and CU in the morning.Stevo_666 said:
I'd be happy if we could just rejoin the single market and customs union but sadly we can't cherry pick if the EU are to be believed. So the ever closer political union, erosion of national decision making, adoption of the Euro etc make rejoining somewhat unappealing as a long term prospect. Clearly some of those things would have been different if we had never left, but we can't turn the clock back.skyblueamateur said:
It’s a good scheme. Would you rather we didn’t rejoin it?Stevo_666 said:"The delusion is strong in this one"
What was never on offer was a “mix and match” approach ie only a U.K. picked selection of features applying.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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You think Horizon doesn't have strings?Stevo_666 said:
How's that done? Without strings.tailwindhome said:
We can rejoin the SM and CU in the morning.Stevo_666 said:
I'd be happy if we could just rejoin the single market and customs union but sadly we can't cherry pick if the EU are to be believed. So the ever closer political union, erosion of national decision making, adoption of the Euro etc make rejoining somewhat unappealing as a long term prospect. Clearly some of those things would have been different if we had never left, but we can't turn the clock back.skyblueamateur said:
It’s a good scheme. Would you rather we didn’t rejoin it?Stevo_666 said:"The delusion is strong in this one"
What do you think they've been negotiating all this time?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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