BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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It doesn't start at zero on the X-axis?wallace_and_gromit said:
Why would we all complain about that graph?rick_chasey said:A graph for you to all complain about.
https://x.com/mattholehouse/status/1690469037484994560?s=46&t=Q7O5dnx-0MXQv9qE3vz1vg0 -
He usually gets slated for posting graphs with dodgy data that confirm/ exaggerate his own opinions.wallace_and_gromit said:
Why would we all complain about that graph?rick_chasey said:A graph for you to all complain about.
https://x.com/mattholehouse/status/1690469037484994560?s=46&t=Q7O5dnx-0MXQv9qE3vz1vg0 -
Maybe he should be looking at his own industry
https://thecityuk.com/news/uk-confirmed-as-the-world-s-leading-net-exporter-of-financial-services/#:~:text=The%20report%2C%20which%20sets%20out,Switzerland%20(%C2%A318.6bn)%20and
Not a graph but it is positive."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I'd say there's a stockpiling factor there. Irish pharma exports declined last year(for the first time in years)briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:A graph for you to all complain about.
https://x.com/mattholehouse/status/1690469037484994560?s=46&t=Q7O5dnx-0MXQv9qE3vz1vg
I'd not be complaining if I were Irish.
I wonder what happened in 2016...
I'd be interested to see recent figures - what's the vaccine impact?
Still, Ireland has a significant pharma industry - including the world supply of Viagra.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
tailwindhome said:
Still, Ireland has a significant pharma industry - including the world supply of Viagra.
Surprised that they've got a monopoly on that, as I'd have thought there would be stiff competition.3 -
X axis is horizontal, so starting from the year 0 may be a bit excessive! Starting from 2011 ie 5 yrs before EU feels reasonable.briantrumpet said:
It doesn't start at zero on the X-axis?wallace_and_gromit said:
Why would we all complain about that graph?rick_chasey said:A graph for you to all complain about.
https://x.com/mattholehouse/status/1690469037484994560?s=46&t=Q7O5dnx-0MXQv9qE3vz1vg
Y axis starts at zero, which looks sensible.
So for once with a “Chasey Chart” I can’t find anything obvious about which to complain, other than the suggestion that we’d complain about it.
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I'll complain that it links to x.com which (rightly) isn't recognised by this board as a thing, so doesn't embed.0
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Rick must be quite disappointed at the lack of complaints
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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Moderately intrigued by the rise of these sorts of articles recently...
https://inews.co.uk/news/world/vote-again-brexit-expat-retiree-italy-food-business-2545860?ito=twitter_share_article-top
Is it silly season, remainer click-bait or is it a rise in these things happening?
(if it's click bait, they've made a mistake. Most remainers were young and A story about a carer who could retire at 58 will have them sending their computers out of the window...)We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Remainer clickbait.0
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Indeed. Which is the point the chart made very clearly, without needing any of the trickery that is employed when more contentious points are being made. Hence, no complaining about the chart.rick_chasey said:It’s not a good look for the UK
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What are your thoughts on the info regarding UK FS exports that I posted above?rick_chasey said:It’s not a good look for the UK
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
i'd assumed it was simply ongoing proof that brexit voters were ignorant and gave no consideration to the rights that brexiteer traitors were so eager to strip from the british peopleddraver said:Moderately intrigued by the rise of these sorts of articles recently...
https://inews.co.uk/news/world/vote-again-brexit-expat-retiree-italy-food-business-2545860?ito=twitter_share_article-top
Is it silly season, remainer click-bait or is it a rise in these things happening?
(if it's click bait, they've made a mistake. Most remainers were young and A story about a carer who could retire at 58 will have them sending their computers out of the window...)my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
How it started
How it's going
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
More how it's going
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Lol
The Tories punt again
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whether boats or trucks, brexiters just can't stop 'emtailwindhome said:Lol
The Tories punt againmy bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
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Apropos of nothing. Just thought it was interesting
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tailwindhome said:
Apropos of nothing. Just thought it was interesting
I wonder what happened in the 1970s...0 -
Nothing relevant to the graph!briantrumpet said:tailwindhome said:Apropos of nothing. Just thought it was interesting
I wonder what happened in the 1970s...
The key change (employment in services) is in the early/mid 90s, potentially due to the formation of the Single Market.0 -
The Irish corporate tax rate was reduced from 40% to 12.5% between 1996 and 2003. Wonder if that had an impact?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
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Has the Daily Express turned into the Daily Mash?
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Imagine studying journalism at university, getting out of the grim regional papers that are all dying and finally working for a national paper.
And then being asked to write that.0 -
Sounds like some of you would enjoy reading this book
https://telegraph.co.uk/books/non-fiction/peter-foster-review-what-went-wrong-brexit/
Brexit Derangement Syndrome is a terrifying condition. It can take intelligent people and turn them into the type of activists you see outside Parliament wearing blue berets with yellow stars. Consider the case of Peter Foster who, for many years, wrote sensible reports for this newspaper, and was latterly its Europe Editor. Even then, Foster didn’t disguise his distaste for Brexit: he gave prominence to forecasts suggesting that Britain’s economy would tank, he wanted to stay in the customs union, and he was one of the earliest supporters of the “backstop” – which removed Ireland’s incentive to push the EU to a more open trade-deal. In general, however, he strove to be informative, not declaratory.
Not any more. In What Went Wrong with Brexit, every gloomy report by a Europhile think-tank is quoted as objective truth, and every Eurocrat is treated as a disinterested expert. In his accounts of the past and his recommendations for the future, Foster praises British concessions to the EU as mature and sensible, while condemning any assertiveness as unrealistic. For example, he thinks it obvious that the UK should sign up to whatever regulations the EU might adopt in future, at least as regards food and veterinary standards. To see how odd that notion is, try flipping it around and demanding that the EU accept “dynamic alignment” with the UK, arbitrated by our supreme court.
At no stage does Foster recognise that the EU can be vindictive or inconsistent. At Salzburg in 2018, Theresa May offered to accept Brussels standards unilaterally and even to pay for the privilege; but, conditioned to reject every British proposal, EU leaders said no, thereby missing their best chance to have the kind of tight relationship that Foster wants. This episode goes unmentioned.
Indeed, this is a book which makes no pretence at balance or nuance. Brexit is presented as an unmitigated calamity with no upsides at all. Foster mentions Covid-19 in passing, but the idea that paying people to stay home for the better part of two years might have a more serious impact on our economy than a change in our trading patterns is not considered.
Polemics have their place: I wrote one myself before the referendum. But I did so as, so to speak, a columnist rather than a news reporter. Foster started at the Telegraph under Charles Moore, who liked to hire correspondents who disagreed with the paper’s line, knowing that this would make them police their own biases.
Since Foster moved to the Financial Times three years ago, however, it seems as though such restraints have come off. Again and again, he gives his stories an anti-Brexit angle. Trade deals are portrayed as threats to British farmers, and the UK’s recognition of the EU’s CE kitemark, which the FT might have hailed as a welcome step towards mutual recognition and jurisdictional competition, is howled down as a Brexit failure. Most recently, Foster claimed – in a news piece, not on the opinion pages – that proposed changes in our intellectual-property rules to allow easier imports were a Brexit-driven threat to our creative industries.
That, reader, is what you get here for 175 pages – pamphleteering dressed up as analysis. And, no doubt, it will sell. A terrifying number of people are unable to move on from the 2016 referendum. Some actively wish for Brexit’s failure so as to be able to say “I told you so”. Yet it isn’t even as though they had a plan to rejoin. Foster accepts that such a move is off the menu, and instead he proposes various ways to deepen our co-operation with the EU. But you feel, somehow, that all this is secondary. Like 18th-century Jacobites, the #FBPE crowd have no real plan beyond insisting to one another that they were right all along. This book is for them."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
😂😂😂
Nobody thinks signing up to CE as a Brexit failure. I’ve been banging on about it for the last million pages. Pretending we were going to create our own UKCA standard and getting business’ to spaff a load of money on it before accepting the inevitable is the failure or would you disagree?
You used to make salient points regarding Brexit, now you just regurgitate Telegraph nonsense that I don’t think you even believe in. It’s a shame as you used to be a useful counter point.
I’ve always tried to be pragmatic but will always call out nonsense policy regardless of which side of the fence I sit.2 -
Yebbut, as Spaffer famously said "Fxxk business".0
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