BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Literally no-one said that. The only point made was that the EU got more / gave fewer concessions in their agreement than the UK did.Stevo_666 said:
But this deal was done by the EU, so it must be amazing.orraloon said:
Probably about the same as Thick Lizzy's new Beijing pork markets?Stevo_666 said:
What's the estimated benefit to the EU economy of this fantastic trade deal? (Every little helps, I suppose).briantrumpet said:Here's the detail: https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/eu-trade-relationships-country-and-region/countries-and-regions/new-zealand/eu-new-zealand-agreement/agreement-explained_en
It's more than about food, but here are the food details:EU stringent food safety rules will not change
The agreement does not affect or undermine EU food safety and animal and plant health legislation because health standards are not negotiable.
The EU keeps its strict approach on health protection for any food safety matter, including genetically modified organisms (GMO).
The EU maintains its right to set maximum levels of residues for pesticides, veterinary medicines or contaminants.
The EU remains free to regulate food safety
The EU remains fully independent in deciding safety criteria for products that reach its market.
The agreement reaffirms the EU’s right to regulate food safety in the interest of EU citizens' health.
The agreement reaffirms the 'precautionary principle', allowing the EU to take measures to protect the health of EU citizens when the scientific evidence on whether imported food is safe or not is inconclusive.
All imported food must comply with the EU’s standards
EU rules apply to all products sold in the EU, whether produced domestically or imported.
A robust system of checks allows the EU to make sure that its rules are respected.0 -
Pross said:
Literally no-one said that. The only point made was that the EU got more / gave fewer concessions in their agreement than the UK did.Stevo_666 said:
But this deal was done by the EU, so it must be amazing.orraloon said:
Probably about the same as Thick Lizzy's new Beijing pork markets?Stevo_666 said:
What's the estimated benefit to the EU economy of this fantastic trade deal? (Every little helps, I suppose).briantrumpet said:Here's the detail: https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/eu-trade-relationships-country-and-region/countries-and-regions/new-zealand/eu-new-zealand-agreement/agreement-explained_en
It's more than about food, but here are the food details:EU stringent food safety rules will not change
The agreement does not affect or undermine EU food safety and animal and plant health legislation because health standards are not negotiable.
The EU keeps its strict approach on health protection for any food safety matter, including genetically modified organisms (GMO).
The EU maintains its right to set maximum levels of residues for pesticides, veterinary medicines or contaminants.
The EU remains free to regulate food safety
The EU remains fully independent in deciding safety criteria for products that reach its market.
The agreement reaffirms the EU’s right to regulate food safety in the interest of EU citizens' health.
The agreement reaffirms the 'precautionary principle', allowing the EU to take measures to protect the health of EU citizens when the scientific evidence on whether imported food is safe or not is inconclusive.
All imported food must comply with the EU’s standards
EU rules apply to all products sold in the EU, whether produced domestically or imported.
A robust system of checks allows the EU to make sure that its rules are respected.
Exactly so.
No reason not to do a trade deal, even if it's not going to make a massive difference, and if both parties are happy with it.0 -
Tbh the coop is as good and I mainly use the greengrocer specifically for radicchio.surrey_commuter said:
a good greengrocer will be at the wholesale market before dawn and will taste before he buys so ensuring the best produce for his customers.rick_chasey said:
*shrugs* Not a big fan of NZ apples vs UK tbf. Too big and watery. Can literally get cheaper British apples in the co-op next door.TheBigBean said:
A Brexit positive?rick_chasey said:
My local greengrocer already stocks quite a lot of NZ produce, so sure, why not.surrey_commuter said:
but enough to flood the EU?rick_chasey said:
They import quite a few apples IIRC. And milk, cheese, butter and milk products are also pretty high on their export list.surrey_commuter said:
My mind is boggled at what products NZ might export halfway around the world to flood the EU.briantrumpet said:It's almost like when you're in a large trading bloc with skilled negotiators that you get good trade deals with third countries.
Th only one that springs to mind is lamb but that I don't see how preventing that flood protects the EU consumer.
you need to find a new greengrocer0 -
They just signed a less free free trade agreement and some people got excited about the achievement.Pross said:
Literally no-one said that. The only point made was that the EU got more / gave fewer concessions in their agreement than the UK did.Stevo_666 said:
But this deal was done by the EU, so it must be amazing.orraloon said:
Probably about the same as Thick Lizzy's new Beijing pork markets?Stevo_666 said:
What's the estimated benefit to the EU economy of this fantastic trade deal? (Every little helps, I suppose).briantrumpet said:Here's the detail: https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/eu-trade-relationships-country-and-region/countries-and-regions/new-zealand/eu-new-zealand-agreement/agreement-explained_en
It's more than about food, but here are the food details:EU stringent food safety rules will not change
The agreement does not affect or undermine EU food safety and animal and plant health legislation because health standards are not negotiable.
The EU keeps its strict approach on health protection for any food safety matter, including genetically modified organisms (GMO).
The EU maintains its right to set maximum levels of residues for pesticides, veterinary medicines or contaminants.
The EU remains free to regulate food safety
The EU remains fully independent in deciding safety criteria for products that reach its market.
The agreement reaffirms the EU’s right to regulate food safety in the interest of EU citizens' health.
The agreement reaffirms the 'precautionary principle', allowing the EU to take measures to protect the health of EU citizens when the scientific evidence on whether imported food is safe or not is inconclusive.
All imported food must comply with the EU’s standards
EU rules apply to all products sold in the EU, whether produced domestically or imported.
A robust system of checks allows the EU to make sure that its rules are respected.0 -
How is that relevant to the superb economic benefits that this trade deal will bring to the EU? (which I'm sure you'll be posting the forecasts for anytime now)briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
But this deal was done by the EU, so it must be amazing.orraloon said:
Probably about the same as Thick Lizzy's new Beijing pork markets?Stevo_666 said:
What's the estimated benefit to the EU economy of this fantastic trade deal? (Every little helps, I suppose).briantrumpet said:Here's the detail: https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/eu-trade-relationships-country-and-region/countries-and-regions/new-zealand/eu-new-zealand-agreement/agreement-explained_en
It's more than about food, but here are the food details:EU stringent food safety rules will not change
The agreement does not affect or undermine EU food safety and animal and plant health legislation because health standards are not negotiable.
The EU keeps its strict approach on health protection for any food safety matter, including genetically modified organisms (GMO).
The EU maintains its right to set maximum levels of residues for pesticides, veterinary medicines or contaminants.
The EU remains free to regulate food safety
The EU remains fully independent in deciding safety criteria for products that reach its market.
The agreement reaffirms the EU’s right to regulate food safety in the interest of EU citizens' health.
The agreement reaffirms the 'precautionary principle', allowing the EU to take measures to protect the health of EU citizens when the scientific evidence on whether imported food is safe or not is inconclusive.
All imported food must comply with the EU’s standards
EU rules apply to all products sold in the EU, whether produced domestically or imported.
A robust system of checks allows the EU to make sure that its rules are respected.
Was this you, talking about the 0.8%-over-ten-years CTPPPTTPPP trade deal a few weeks ago?Tbh when I posted news of a major needs trade deal I had hoped for a bit more than the usual 'but its not the EU' (irrelevant as where we are now its not a one or the other choice); and 'but it's the nasty Torwies' (which seems to be more about people taking out their frustrations in life on the ruling party rather than being relevant to the point).
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Brian seemed rather enthusiastic about it.Pross said:
Literally no-one said that. The only point made was that the EU got more / gave fewer concessions in their agreement than the UK did.Stevo_666 said:
But this deal was done by the EU, so it must be amazing.orraloon said:
Probably about the same as Thick Lizzy's new Beijing pork markets?Stevo_666 said:
What's the estimated benefit to the EU economy of this fantastic trade deal? (Every little helps, I suppose).briantrumpet said:Here's the detail: https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/eu-trade-relationships-country-and-region/countries-and-regions/new-zealand/eu-new-zealand-agreement/agreement-explained_en
It's more than about food, but here are the food details:EU stringent food safety rules will not change
The agreement does not affect or undermine EU food safety and animal and plant health legislation because health standards are not negotiable.
The EU keeps its strict approach on health protection for any food safety matter, including genetically modified organisms (GMO).
The EU maintains its right to set maximum levels of residues for pesticides, veterinary medicines or contaminants.
The EU remains free to regulate food safety
The EU remains fully independent in deciding safety criteria for products that reach its market.
The agreement reaffirms the EU’s right to regulate food safety in the interest of EU citizens' health.
The agreement reaffirms the 'precautionary principle', allowing the EU to take measures to protect the health of EU citizens when the scientific evidence on whether imported food is safe or not is inconclusive.
All imported food must comply with the EU’s standards
EU rules apply to all products sold in the EU, whether produced domestically or imported.
A robust system of checks allows the EU to make sure that its rules are respected.
Got any forecast benefits? Brian seems to have a few problems finding them.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
How is that relevant to the superb economic benefits that this trade deal will bring to the EU? (which I'm sure you'll be posting the forecasts for anytime now)briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
But this deal was done by the EU, so it must be amazing.orraloon said:
Probably about the same as Thick Lizzy's new Beijing pork markets?Stevo_666 said:
What's the estimated benefit to the EU economy of this fantastic trade deal? (Every little helps, I suppose).briantrumpet said:Here's the detail: https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/eu-trade-relationships-country-and-region/countries-and-regions/new-zealand/eu-new-zealand-agreement/agreement-explained_en
It's more than about food, but here are the food details:EU stringent food safety rules will not change
The agreement does not affect or undermine EU food safety and animal and plant health legislation because health standards are not negotiable.
The EU keeps its strict approach on health protection for any food safety matter, including genetically modified organisms (GMO).
The EU maintains its right to set maximum levels of residues for pesticides, veterinary medicines or contaminants.
The EU remains free to regulate food safety
The EU remains fully independent in deciding safety criteria for products that reach its market.
The agreement reaffirms the EU’s right to regulate food safety in the interest of EU citizens' health.
The agreement reaffirms the 'precautionary principle', allowing the EU to take measures to protect the health of EU citizens when the scientific evidence on whether imported food is safe or not is inconclusive.
All imported food must comply with the EU’s standards
EU rules apply to all products sold in the EU, whether produced domestically or imported.
A robust system of checks allows the EU to make sure that its rules are respected.
Was this you, talking about the 0.8%-over-ten-years CTPPPTTPPP trade deal a few weeks ago?Tbh when I posted news of a major needs trade deal I had hoped for a bit more than the usual 'but its not the EU' (irrelevant as where we are now its not a one or the other choice); and 'but it's the nasty Torwies' (which seems to be more about people taking out their frustrations in life on the ruling party rather than being relevant to the point).
You seemed to be trumpeting a very marginal deal (on the government's own forecasts - see previous posts ad nauseam) as a 'major' deal, which I'm not aware I did in relation to the EU deal. Quote me where I said there were superb economic benefits, and I'll get back to you.
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Since you said it was a good deal I'd naively assumed there were good economic benefits. Otherwise why did you post something about it?briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
How is that relevant to the superb economic benefits that this trade deal will bring to the EU? (which I'm sure you'll be posting the forecasts for anytime now)briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
But this deal was done by the EU, so it must be amazing.orraloon said:
Probably about the same as Thick Lizzy's new Beijing pork markets?Stevo_666 said:
What's the estimated benefit to the EU economy of this fantastic trade deal? (Every little helps, I suppose).briantrumpet said:Here's the detail: https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/eu-trade-relationships-country-and-region/countries-and-regions/new-zealand/eu-new-zealand-agreement/agreement-explained_en
It's more than about food, but here are the food details:EU stringent food safety rules will not change
The agreement does not affect or undermine EU food safety and animal and plant health legislation because health standards are not negotiable.
The EU keeps its strict approach on health protection for any food safety matter, including genetically modified organisms (GMO).
The EU maintains its right to set maximum levels of residues for pesticides, veterinary medicines or contaminants.
The EU remains free to regulate food safety
The EU remains fully independent in deciding safety criteria for products that reach its market.
The agreement reaffirms the EU’s right to regulate food safety in the interest of EU citizens' health.
The agreement reaffirms the 'precautionary principle', allowing the EU to take measures to protect the health of EU citizens when the scientific evidence on whether imported food is safe or not is inconclusive.
All imported food must comply with the EU’s standards
EU rules apply to all products sold in the EU, whether produced domestically or imported.
A robust system of checks allows the EU to make sure that its rules are respected.
Was this you, talking about the 0.8%-over-ten-years CTPPPTTPPP trade deal a few weeks ago?Tbh when I posted news of a major needs trade deal I had hoped for a bit more than the usual 'but its not the EU' (irrelevant as where we are now its not a one or the other choice); and 'but it's the nasty Torwies' (which seems to be more about people taking out their frustrations in life on the ruling party rather than being relevant to the point).
You seemed to be trumpeting a very marginal deal (on the government's own forecasts - see previous posts ad nauseam) as a 'major' deal, which I'm not aware I did in relation to the EU deal. Quote me where I said there were superb economic benefits, and I'll get back to you.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
Since you said it was a good deal I'd naively assumed there were good economic benefits. Otherwise why did you post something about it?briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
How is that relevant to the superb economic benefits that this trade deal will bring to the EU? (which I'm sure you'll be posting the forecasts for anytime now)briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
But this deal was done by the EU, so it must be amazing.orraloon said:
Probably about the same as Thick Lizzy's new Beijing pork markets?Stevo_666 said:
What's the estimated benefit to the EU economy of this fantastic trade deal? (Every little helps, I suppose).briantrumpet said:Here's the detail: https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/eu-trade-relationships-country-and-region/countries-and-regions/new-zealand/eu-new-zealand-agreement/agreement-explained_en
It's more than about food, but here are the food details:EU stringent food safety rules will not change
The agreement does not affect or undermine EU food safety and animal and plant health legislation because health standards are not negotiable.
The EU keeps its strict approach on health protection for any food safety matter, including genetically modified organisms (GMO).
The EU maintains its right to set maximum levels of residues for pesticides, veterinary medicines or contaminants.
The EU remains free to regulate food safety
The EU remains fully independent in deciding safety criteria for products that reach its market.
The agreement reaffirms the EU’s right to regulate food safety in the interest of EU citizens' health.
The agreement reaffirms the 'precautionary principle', allowing the EU to take measures to protect the health of EU citizens when the scientific evidence on whether imported food is safe or not is inconclusive.
All imported food must comply with the EU’s standards
EU rules apply to all products sold in the EU, whether produced domestically or imported.
A robust system of checks allows the EU to make sure that its rules are respected.
Was this you, talking about the 0.8%-over-ten-years CTPPPTTPPP trade deal a few weeks ago?Tbh when I posted news of a major needs trade deal I had hoped for a bit more than the usual 'but its not the EU' (irrelevant as where we are now its not a one or the other choice); and 'but it's the nasty Torwies' (which seems to be more about people taking out their frustrations in life on the ruling party rather than being relevant to the point).
You seemed to be trumpeting a very marginal deal (on the government's own forecasts - see previous posts ad nauseam) as a 'major' deal, which I'm not aware I did in relation to the EU deal. Quote me where I said there were superb economic benefits, and I'll get back to you.
At least you've scaled back your "amazing" to "good" now. It seems to be a 'good' deal in that both sides are happy with it, and there's an economic advantage to it for both sides. And the EU did it without undermining its own farming industry for the sake of a quick headline.0 -
I think the key difference is that for the EU, any new trade deal can be looked at in terms of its benefits on a standalone basis as nothing the has been given up to enable such a deal to be signed. Therefore even even +0.1% is good. But for the U.K. all whizzy new trade deals have to be viewed against what was given up to be able to secure them.Stevo_666 said:
Since you said it was a good deal I'd naively assumed there were good economic benefits. Otherwise why did you post something about it?briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
How is that relevant to the superb economic benefits that this trade deal will bring to the EU? (which I'm sure you'll be posting the forecasts for anytime now)briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
But this deal was done by the EU, so it must be amazing.orraloon said:
Probably about the same as Thick Lizzy's new Beijing pork markets?Stevo_666 said:
What's the estimated benefit to the EU economy of this fantastic trade deal? (Every little helps, I suppose).briantrumpet said:Here's the detail: https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/eu-trade-relationships-country-and-region/countries-and-regions/new-zealand/eu-new-zealand-agreement/agreement-explained_en
It's more than about food, but here are the food details:EU stringent food safety rules will not change
The agreement does not affect or undermine EU food safety and animal and plant health legislation because health standards are not negotiable.
The EU keeps its strict approach on health protection for any food safety matter, including genetically modified organisms (GMO).
The EU maintains its right to set maximum levels of residues for pesticides, veterinary medicines or contaminants.
The EU remains free to regulate food safety
The EU remains fully independent in deciding safety criteria for products that reach its market.
The agreement reaffirms the EU’s right to regulate food safety in the interest of EU citizens' health.
The agreement reaffirms the 'precautionary principle', allowing the EU to take measures to protect the health of EU citizens when the scientific evidence on whether imported food is safe or not is inconclusive.
All imported food must comply with the EU’s standards
EU rules apply to all products sold in the EU, whether produced domestically or imported.
A robust system of checks allows the EU to make sure that its rules are respected.
Was this you, talking about the 0.8%-over-ten-years CTPPPTTPPP trade deal a few weeks ago?Tbh when I posted news of a major needs trade deal I had hoped for a bit more than the usual 'but its not the EU' (irrelevant as where we are now its not a one or the other choice); and 'but it's the nasty Torwies' (which seems to be more about people taking out their frustrations in life on the ruling party rather than being relevant to the point).
You seemed to be trumpeting a very marginal deal (on the government's own forecasts - see previous posts ad nauseam) as a 'major' deal, which I'm not aware I did in relation to the EU deal. Quote me where I said there were superb economic benefits, and I'll get back to you.
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Good diversion attempt. What about the stats and forecasts?briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Since you said it was a good deal I'd naively assumed there were good economic benefits. Otherwise why did you post something about it?briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
How is that relevant to the superb economic benefits that this trade deal will bring to the EU? (which I'm sure you'll be posting the forecasts for anytime now)briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
But this deal was done by the EU, so it must be amazing.orraloon said:
Probably about the same as Thick Lizzy's new Beijing pork markets?Stevo_666 said:
What's the estimated benefit to the EU economy of this fantastic trade deal? (Every little helps, I suppose).briantrumpet said:Here's the detail: https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/eu-trade-relationships-country-and-region/countries-and-regions/new-zealand/eu-new-zealand-agreement/agreement-explained_en
It's more than about food, but here are the food details:EU stringent food safety rules will not change
The agreement does not affect or undermine EU food safety and animal and plant health legislation because health standards are not negotiable.
The EU keeps its strict approach on health protection for any food safety matter, including genetically modified organisms (GMO).
The EU maintains its right to set maximum levels of residues for pesticides, veterinary medicines or contaminants.
The EU remains free to regulate food safety
The EU remains fully independent in deciding safety criteria for products that reach its market.
The agreement reaffirms the EU’s right to regulate food safety in the interest of EU citizens' health.
The agreement reaffirms the 'precautionary principle', allowing the EU to take measures to protect the health of EU citizens when the scientific evidence on whether imported food is safe or not is inconclusive.
All imported food must comply with the EU’s standards
EU rules apply to all products sold in the EU, whether produced domestically or imported.
A robust system of checks allows the EU to make sure that its rules are respected.
Was this you, talking about the 0.8%-over-ten-years CTPPPTTPPP trade deal a few weeks ago?Tbh when I posted news of a major needs trade deal I had hoped for a bit more than the usual 'but its not the EU' (irrelevant as where we are now its not a one or the other choice); and 'but it's the nasty Torwies' (which seems to be more about people taking out their frustrations in life on the ruling party rather than being relevant to the point).
You seemed to be trumpeting a very marginal deal (on the government's own forecasts - see previous posts ad nauseam) as a 'major' deal, which I'm not aware I did in relation to the EU deal. Quote me where I said there were superb economic benefits, and I'll get back to you.
At least you've scaled back your "amazing" to "good" now. It seems to be a 'good' deal in that both sides are happy with it, and there's an economic advantage to it for both sides. And the EU did it without undermining its own farming industry for the sake of a quick headline."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
What's in the past is in the past so each UK trade deal can still be viewed on its merits.wallace_and_gromit said:
I think the key difference is that for the EU, any new trade deal can be looked at in terms of its benefits on a standalone basis as nothing the has been given up to enable such a deal to be signed. Therefore even even +0.1% is good. But for the U.K. all whizzy new trade deals have to be viewed against what was given up to be able to secure them.Stevo_666 said:
Since you said it was a good deal I'd naively assumed there were good economic benefits. Otherwise why did you post something about it?briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
How is that relevant to the superb economic benefits that this trade deal will bring to the EU? (which I'm sure you'll be posting the forecasts for anytime now)briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
But this deal was done by the EU, so it must be amazing.orraloon said:
Probably about the same as Thick Lizzy's new Beijing pork markets?Stevo_666 said:
What's the estimated benefit to the EU economy of this fantastic trade deal? (Every little helps, I suppose).briantrumpet said:Here's the detail: https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/eu-trade-relationships-country-and-region/countries-and-regions/new-zealand/eu-new-zealand-agreement/agreement-explained_en
It's more than about food, but here are the food details:EU stringent food safety rules will not change
The agreement does not affect or undermine EU food safety and animal and plant health legislation because health standards are not negotiable.
The EU keeps its strict approach on health protection for any food safety matter, including genetically modified organisms (GMO).
The EU maintains its right to set maximum levels of residues for pesticides, veterinary medicines or contaminants.
The EU remains free to regulate food safety
The EU remains fully independent in deciding safety criteria for products that reach its market.
The agreement reaffirms the EU’s right to regulate food safety in the interest of EU citizens' health.
The agreement reaffirms the 'precautionary principle', allowing the EU to take measures to protect the health of EU citizens when the scientific evidence on whether imported food is safe or not is inconclusive.
All imported food must comply with the EU’s standards
EU rules apply to all products sold in the EU, whether produced domestically or imported.
A robust system of checks allows the EU to make sure that its rules are respected.
Was this you, talking about the 0.8%-over-ten-years CTPPPTTPPP trade deal a few weeks ago?Tbh when I posted news of a major needs trade deal I had hoped for a bit more than the usual 'but its not the EU' (irrelevant as where we are now its not a one or the other choice); and 'but it's the nasty Torwies' (which seems to be more about people taking out their frustrations in life on the ruling party rather than being relevant to the point).
You seemed to be trumpeting a very marginal deal (on the government's own forecasts - see previous posts ad nauseam) as a 'major' deal, which I'm not aware I did in relation to the EU deal. Quote me where I said there were superb economic benefits, and I'll get back to you.
This seems to be a classic case of people claiming that any trade deal the UK does is pointless but any trade deal the EU does is great."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
What is in the past is indeed in the past, but to make that point is to acknowledge that the UK’s new trade deals are p*ssing in the wind compared to leaving the Single Market.0
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You seem to be looking at this as if is a choice to be made a particular point in time between the EU and other trade deals. It isn't as the EU part is already done (and realistically will not be reversed in the foreseeable future): so the only question is whether we press on with the others.wallace_and_gromit said:What is in the past is indeed in the past, but to make that point is to acknowledge that the UK’s new trade deals are p*ssing in the wind compared to leaving the Single Market.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
What's this? A positive view of UK produce?rick_chasey said:
*shrugs* Not a big fan of NZ apples vs UK tbf. Too big and watery. Can literally get cheaper British apples in the co-op next door.TheBigBean said:
A Brexit positive?rick_chasey said:
My local greengrocer already stocks quite a lot of NZ produce, so sure, why not.surrey_commuter said:
but enough to flood the EU?rick_chasey said:
They import quite a few apples IIRC. And milk, cheese, butter and milk products are also pretty high on their export list.surrey_commuter said:
My mind is boggled at what products NZ might export halfway around the world to flood the EU.briantrumpet said:It's almost like when you're in a large trading bloc with skilled negotiators that you get good trade deals with third countries.
Th only one that springs to mind is lamb but that I don't see how preventing that flood protects the EU consumer.
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[Falls off chair]rjsterry said:
What's this? A positive view of UK produce?rick_chasey said:
*shrugs* Not a big fan of NZ apples vs UK tbf. Too big and watery. Can literally get cheaper British apples in the co-op next door.TheBigBean said:
A Brexit positive?rick_chasey said:
My local greengrocer already stocks quite a lot of NZ produce, so sure, why not.surrey_commuter said:
but enough to flood the EU?rick_chasey said:
They import quite a few apples IIRC. And milk, cheese, butter and milk products are also pretty high on their export list.surrey_commuter said:
My mind is boggled at what products NZ might export halfway around the world to flood the EU.briantrumpet said:It's almost like when you're in a large trading bloc with skilled negotiators that you get good trade deals with third countries.
Th only one that springs to mind is lamb but that I don't see how preventing that flood protects the EU consumer.
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👍🏻 ask me about strawberriesrjsterry said:
What's this? A positive view of UK produce?rick_chasey said:
*shrugs* Not a big fan of NZ apples vs UK tbf. Too big and watery. Can literally get cheaper British apples in the co-op next door.TheBigBean said:
A Brexit positive?rick_chasey said:
My local greengrocer already stocks quite a lot of NZ produce, so sure, why not.surrey_commuter said:
but enough to flood the EU?rick_chasey said:
They import quite a few apples IIRC. And milk, cheese, butter and milk products are also pretty high on their export list.surrey_commuter said:
My mind is boggled at what products NZ might export halfway around the world to flood the EU.briantrumpet said:It's almost like when you're in a large trading bloc with skilled negotiators that you get good trade deals with third countries.
Th only one that springs to mind is lamb but that I don't see how preventing that flood protects the EU consumer.
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are you coming round to the boomer idea of buying seasonal produce?rick_chasey said:
👍🏻 ask me about strawberriesrjsterry said:
What's this? A positive view of UK produce?rick_chasey said:
*shrugs* Not a big fan of NZ apples vs UK tbf. Too big and watery. Can literally get cheaper British apples in the co-op next door.TheBigBean said:
A Brexit positive?rick_chasey said:
My local greengrocer already stocks quite a lot of NZ produce, so sure, why not.surrey_commuter said:
but enough to flood the EU?rick_chasey said:
They import quite a few apples IIRC. And milk, cheese, butter and milk products are also pretty high on their export list.surrey_commuter said:
My mind is boggled at what products NZ might export halfway around the world to flood the EU.briantrumpet said:It's almost like when you're in a large trading bloc with skilled negotiators that you get good trade deals with third countries.
Th only one that springs to mind is lamb but that I don't see how preventing that flood protects the EU consumer.
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We all buy seasonal produce, largely.surrey_commuter said:
are you coming round to the boomer idea of buying seasonal produce?rick_chasey said:
👍🏻 ask me about strawberriesrjsterry said:
What's this? A positive view of UK produce?rick_chasey said:
*shrugs* Not a big fan of NZ apples vs UK tbf. Too big and watery. Can literally get cheaper British apples in the co-op next door.TheBigBean said:
A Brexit positive?rick_chasey said:
My local greengrocer already stocks quite a lot of NZ produce, so sure, why not.surrey_commuter said:
but enough to flood the EU?rick_chasey said:
They import quite a few apples IIRC. And milk, cheese, butter and milk products are also pretty high on their export list.surrey_commuter said:
My mind is boggled at what products NZ might export halfway around the world to flood the EU.briantrumpet said:It's almost like when you're in a large trading bloc with skilled negotiators that you get good trade deals with third countries.
Th only one that springs to mind is lamb but that I don't see how preventing that flood protects the EU consumer.
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It's just different seasons in different countries, which helps all year-round buying ;-)0 -
If you think a banana out of Tesco tastes the same as one picked directly from the tree then you are sadly mistaken. Shipping and time takes it's toll on taste.rick_chasey said:
We all buy seasonal produce, largely.surrey_commuter said:
are you coming round to the boomer idea of buying seasonal produce?rick_chasey said:
👍🏻 ask me about strawberriesrjsterry said:
What's this? A positive view of UK produce?rick_chasey said:
*shrugs* Not a big fan of NZ apples vs UK tbf. Too big and watery. Can literally get cheaper British apples in the co-op next door.TheBigBean said:
A Brexit positive?rick_chasey said:
My local greengrocer already stocks quite a lot of NZ produce, so sure, why not.surrey_commuter said:
but enough to flood the EU?rick_chasey said:
They import quite a few apples IIRC. And milk, cheese, butter and milk products are also pretty high on their export list.surrey_commuter said:
My mind is boggled at what products NZ might export halfway around the world to flood the EU.briantrumpet said:It's almost like when you're in a large trading bloc with skilled negotiators that you get good trade deals with third countries.
Th only one that springs to mind is lamb but that I don't see how preventing that flood protects the EU consumer.
😉
It's just different seasons in different countries, which helps all year-round buying ;-)The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Difficult for us to pop over to the Caribbean for lunch, though 🙄pblakeney said:
If you think a banana out of Tesco tastes the same as one picked directly from the tree then you are sadly mistaken. Shipping and time takes it's toll on taste.rick_chasey said:
We all buy seasonal produce, largely.surrey_commuter said:
are you coming round to the boomer idea of buying seasonal produce?rick_chasey said:
👍🏻 ask me about strawberriesrjsterry said:
What's this? A positive view of UK produce?rick_chasey said:
*shrugs* Not a big fan of NZ apples vs UK tbf. Too big and watery. Can literally get cheaper British apples in the co-op next door.TheBigBean said:
A Brexit positive?rick_chasey said:
My local greengrocer already stocks quite a lot of NZ produce, so sure, why not.surrey_commuter said:
but enough to flood the EU?rick_chasey said:
They import quite a few apples IIRC. And milk, cheese, butter and milk products are also pretty high on their export list.surrey_commuter said:
My mind is boggled at what products NZ might export halfway around the world to flood the EU.briantrumpet said:It's almost like when you're in a large trading bloc with skilled negotiators that you get good trade deals with third countries.
Th only one that springs to mind is lamb but that I don't see how preventing that flood protects the EU consumer.
😉
It's just different seasons in different countries, which helps all year-round buying ;-)1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Point was seasonal includes local.rjsterry said:
Difficult for us to pop over to the Caribbean for lunch, though 🙄pblakeney said:
If you think a banana out of Tesco tastes the same as one picked directly from the tree then you are sadly mistaken. Shipping and time takes it's toll on taste.rick_chasey said:
We all buy seasonal produce, largely.surrey_commuter said:
are you coming round to the boomer idea of buying seasonal produce?rick_chasey said:
👍🏻 ask me about strawberriesrjsterry said:
What's this? A positive view of UK produce?rick_chasey said:
*shrugs* Not a big fan of NZ apples vs UK tbf. Too big and watery. Can literally get cheaper British apples in the co-op next door.TheBigBean said:
A Brexit positive?rick_chasey said:
My local greengrocer already stocks quite a lot of NZ produce, so sure, why not.surrey_commuter said:
but enough to flood the EU?rick_chasey said:
They import quite a few apples IIRC. And milk, cheese, butter and milk products are also pretty high on their export list.surrey_commuter said:
My mind is boggled at what products NZ might export halfway around the world to flood the EU.briantrumpet said:It's almost like when you're in a large trading bloc with skilled negotiators that you get good trade deals with third countries.
Th only one that springs to mind is lamb but that I don't see how preventing that flood protects the EU consumer.
😉
It's just different seasons in different countries, which helps all year-round buying ;-)The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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...and potatoes, carrots, cauliflower, brussel sprouts, and.....rick_chasey said:Stick to your turnips and swede in winter if you want.
Yes thanks.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
Honestly, fill you boots.pblakeney said:
...and potatoes, carrots, cauliflower, brussel sprouts, and.....rick_chasey said:Stick to your turnips and swede in winter if you want.
Yes thanks.
There's a reason local British cuisine is not internationally recognised.0 -
Meh.rick_chasey said:
Honestly, fill you boots.pblakeney said:
...and potatoes, carrots, cauliflower, brussel sprouts, and.....rick_chasey said:Stick to your turnips and swede in winter if you want.
Yes thanks.
There's a reason local British cuisine is not internationally recognised.
I've ate as good in this country as anywhere. It doesn't have to be stodge.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Which international fruit and veg do people get excited by?rick_chasey said:
Honestly, fill you boots.pblakeney said:
...and potatoes, carrots, cauliflower, brussel sprouts, and.....rick_chasey said:Stick to your turnips and swede in winter if you want.
Yes thanks.
There's a reason local British cuisine is not internationally recognised.1 -
I eat seasonal as it tastes better but I do like dates, grapes and donut peachesTheBigBean said:
Which international fruit and veg do people get excited by?rick_chasey said:
Honestly, fill you boots.pblakeney said:
...and potatoes, carrots, cauliflower, brussel sprouts, and.....rick_chasey said:Stick to your turnips and swede in winter if you want.
Yes thanks.
There's a reason local British cuisine is not internationally recognised.0 -
On a note of seriousness. We are starting to see the effects this year from a manufacturing perspective. A number of our bigger customers are reigning in production or seeing their distribution/supply chains shrink quite dramatically.
I can only see this getting worse as new supply chains are formed or existing ones renewed, UK companies will no longer feature in the conversation.
Trade deals with other countries are small beans, unless you replace what you have lost with something of equal size then it's like trying to fill a trench with a trowel. Can't really see us entering into a trade deal with the US or China any time soon
I never did much care for the Brexiter ideological arguments anyway, but we are far beyond some sentimental notions of 'sovereignty' now. This is the basic fact of people's jobs, livelihoods being at risk and our wider economic prospects as a country being damaged for years to come. We have essentially imposed economic sanctions on ourselves and there is still some weird collective desire not to admit to this.
The idea that you can have strength in isolation as you have complete 'autonomy' is ludicrous. Now, more than ever, a country's standing in the world is entirely relational, you only have strength through your relationships with other countries (or blocs) of equal financial, political and cultural power. This is something that Brexiteers fundamentally do not seem to understand (or care about, perhaps?)
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People love avocadosTheBigBean said:
Which international fruit and veg do people get excited by?rick_chasey said:
Honestly, fill you boots.pblakeney said:
...and potatoes, carrots, cauliflower, brussel sprouts, and.....rick_chasey said:Stick to your turnips and swede in winter if you want.
Yes thanks.
There's a reason local British cuisine is not internationally recognised.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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